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Mr. Wyndham 02-28-2011 05:22 PM

I think it's incredibly ironic that the Z28 speculation continues with the announcement of the ZL1...only because many (including myself), thought it would end with the revealing of the King of Camaros....:D

Anyways, it should be very interesting to see how it turns out. Especially given the boss-prostrating that's going on...I won't get nasty - Ford did a good job - suffice it to say that there are no magic bullets, and sometimes it's necessary to read beyond the hype....

LOWDOWN 02-28-2011 06:29 PM

Postulating about a Z/28 akin the BOSS is based on the "suggestion" from the Camaro Team...

Just as the BOSS will make a much more enjoyable "track car" than the GT500, I suspect the Camaro folks are aware of the merits of something with 200+ fewer pounds over the front wheels and, perhaps, even "racier" feel/appeal. At least those with some "twisty" experience and intent would be readily aware and willing.

The precedent in-house would be a ZR1 vs. a Z06/Z07 vs. LS3/GS. Arguably, the "track star" Vette is the Z06/Z07, and that is where a Z/28 should be...

Mr. Wyndham 02-28-2011 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN (Post 2900035)
Postulating about a Z/28 akin the BOSS is based on the "suggestion" from the Camaro Team...

Just as the BOSS will make a much more enjoyable "track car" than the GT500, I suspect the Camaro folks are aware of the merits of something with 200+ fewer pounds over the front wheels and, perhaps, even "racier" feel/appeal. At least those with some "twisty" experience and intent would be readily aware and willing.

The precedent in-house would be a ZR1 vs. a Z06/Z07 vs. LS3/GS. Arguably, the "track star" Vette is the Z06/Z07, and that is where a Z/28 should be...

Correct, I'm certainly not disagreeing with you on most of those points. Only one I would contend is that the ZR1 will outrun the Z06 in most scenarios. The benefit is the loose and nimble feeling the Z06 (or any track-designed production car) inherently has. :)

truth411 02-28-2011 09:15 PM

IMVHO makeing the Z/28 nothing more than a "Track Pack" would be a crime and somebody would need to be shot.

Bond 02-28-2011 10:26 PM

Is it possible that GM are waiting to get their hands on a Boss to delevope a track competitor, as we saw in the spy shots of the ZL-1?

camaro5 02-28-2011 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OldJedi (Post 2894506)
The problem I have with this information is that the car is scheduled to be released next April. The new ZL1 starts production Jan. 2012 and gets to dealers in March 2012. I don't think the Z28 will come into showrooms a month later.


I think they are guessing GM will announce it in April 2012, and bring it to production a year later.

If you read the C&D article, they live a lot of wiggle room for variables, but I see a lot of truth to their reporting.

The ZL1 WAS the Z28, GM changed their minds.

The most interesting conjecture is that the Z28 may have the LS7. That's a torquey a meat a ball!

And how about the GEN V tidbits. I found Direct Injection info a year ago, related to future GM inventory. CD is right on the money there.

GEN V debut will probably be limited to C7 at first - I also saw a ramp-up in GEN V volume after late 2012 launch.

But when the GEN V's hit Camaro, it's a whole new ball game. :popcorn:

Good2go 03-01-2011 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by camaro5 (Post 2901239)

And how about the GEN V tidbits. I found Direct Injection info a year ago, related to future GM inventory. CD is right on the money there.

GEN V debut will probably be limited to C7 at first - I also saw a ramp-up in GEN V volume after late 2012 launch.

But when the GEN V's hit Camaro, it's a whole new ball game. :popcorn:

:word:
I also wonder if the Z28 will debut on the smaller, lighter Alpha platform, and not the current one. :iono:

Sawyer 03-01-2011 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by camaro5 (Post 2901239)
The most interesting conjecture is that the Z28 may have the LS7. And how about the GEN V tidbits. I found Direct Injection info a year ago, related to future GM inventory. CD is right on the money there.

:headbang:

GEEo 03-01-2011 08:02 AM

Thats awesome!!! :w00t:

I hope it looks better than ZL1.

2010SSRSM6 03-01-2011 08:57 AM

A high compression, 5.5L, direct injection engine fits in nicely with the Z/28 moniker. I highly doubt that it will be out in March, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it out say....October, 2012.

Cut the MR out of the ZL1, keep the weight down, maybe eliminate the back seat..... Have it come with very few options available (like the original Z06), something like factory coil-over suspension, a good downforce package.......... There has to be a way to get the weight back down to 3500lbs.

Get 450hp/tq out of the 5.5L and get the weight down to 3500-3650lbs and presto, the Z is back. :D

Their is something to say about a track monster wearing the Z/28 badge. With 450hp and a weight of 3650, the H.P : Weight ratio = 8.1. Sounds familiar doesn't it???

BustedCrank 03-01-2011 12:38 PM

3500lbs for this platform is not going to happen. Doesn't sound like 5.5l is either, expect 5.3 and 6.2l for the new engines.

Mr. Wyndham 03-01-2011 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bond (Post 2901135)
Is it possible that GM are waiting to get their hands on a Boss to delevope a track competitor, as we saw in the spy shots of the ZL-1?

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Originally Posted by BustedCrank (Post 2903200)
3500lbs for this platform is not going to happen. Doesn't sound like 5.5l is either, expect 5.3 and 6.2l for the new engines.

Little is known about the Gen V smallblocks...we know they'll have direct injection, VVT, and AFM...but we don't know the displacement.

It's also pretty interested that they said in a press release it'll have a "new combustion process"...I'm looking forward to reading more about these things. :thumbsup:

OldJedi 03-01-2011 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Good2go (Post 2902059)
:word:
I also wonder if the Z28 will debut on the smaller, lighter Alpha platform, and not the current one. :iono:

I do not believe that the ZL1 will be more than a 2 to 3 year model, depending on when the current Camaro switches to the new Alpha chassis. When it does switch to the new chassis, I think that Z28 will take its place. I personally do not want to wait any more than a year for the ZL1 and definitely NOT 2 to 3 years for the Z28. I also do not see Chevy bringing the Z28 on the current chassis, unfortunately I have never been right on any of my guesses or predictions on what Chevy was going to do.

Mr. Wyndham 03-01-2011 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OldJedi (Post 2903544)
I do not believe that the ZL1 will be more than a 2 to 3 year model, depending on when the current Camaro switches to the new Alpha chassis. When it does switch to the new chassis, I think that Z28 will take its place. I personally do not want to wait any more than a year for the ZL1 and definitely NOT 2 to 3 years for the Z28. I also do not see Chevy bringing the Z28 on the current chassis, unfortunately I have never been right on any of my guesses or predictions on what Chevy was going to do.

Why don't you suppose the ZL1 will carry over into the 6thgen as the "Top Dog", too?

(I think there's room for both nameplates, btw...)


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