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dragonZ28 04-20-2009 10:13 PM

My dealer ordered a car 1 month ago, and he just got invoiced!
 
I think they are making them quicker than anyone thinks. If this is true, then the car was built within a month of placing the order with GM. I called to check our status today and he said they just got an invoice on a car they ordered 1 month ago.

Do they build these cars in order, or do they preference them by color and options?

avol2 04-21-2009 07:42 AM

No they are not being built in date order.. There was lots of speculation.. but obviously there are a lot of us still confused........:(

I don't think GM knows what they are doing now....

theshadow1234 04-21-2009 07:58 AM

Wow that blows for people who put thier orders in 7-8 months ago and are still waiting to pass 1100 or above. I called a dealer yesterda with allocations and they told me it would be 6-8 weeks after it gets picked up. Strange.

Chevyrocker 04-21-2009 08:04 AM

Avol2: They definitely do know what they're doing. GM is not as stupid as everyone thinks. They have a plan for building the vehicles, trust me. The fact that dragons dealer did that is not uncommon. Just because some of us placed our orders with our dealers back in October means little to nothing really. GM sends out weekly allocations to each of its thousands of dealers so that every dealer can get cars regardless of how many the pre-sold. If anything, you guys should be mad at your dealers that took your orders knowing damn well they would not be built until June or July. GM did send memos to dealers advising them of how to handle the process and stated that it was up to them whether or not they would pre-sell these vehicles.

GM builds these cars based on placed orders by dealers in accordance with the allocations sent to them. If a dealer has 12 orders and 2 allocations, guess what happens to the other 10...

Again, if a dealer has 0 orders and 12 allocations, he will most definitely have his vehicles faster than the guy with 2 allocations.

It all has to do with dealer performance, location and market.

Sorry if it seems like I'm attacking you, that is not my intention, but when people bad mouth a company when they don't really understand the business, it makes me a little frustrated.

Supermans 04-21-2009 08:04 AM

Yeah, pre-orders should have been built first in my opinion.. What's the point of pre-ordering then??

Chevyrocker 04-21-2009 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supermans (Post 420905)
Yeah, pre-orders should have been built first in my opinion.. What's the point of pre-ordering then??

If you were number one or number two at yoru dealer, then the point is you get the exact car you want earlier than most people. If you were number 7 or 8 of 10, it's your fault for not understanding that the initial allocations were through the third quarter of the year and if you were that far back in line, naturally there will be dealers who did not take pre-orders that will get cars before you. Your dealers should have explained all of this to you, but all of the information is on these boards.

avol2 04-21-2009 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chevyrocker (Post 420904)
Avol2: They definitely do know what they're doing. GM is not as stupid as everyone thinks. They have a plan for building the vehicles, trust me. The fact that dragons dealer did that is not uncommon. Just because some of us placed our orders with our dealers back in October means little to nothing really. GM sends out weekly allocations to each of its thousands of dealers so that every dealer can get cars regardless of how many the pre-sold. If anything, you guys should be mad at your dealers that took your orders knowing damn well they would not be built until June or July. GM did send memos to dealers advising them of how to handle the process and stated that it was up to them whether or not they would pre-sell these vehicles.

GM builds these cars based on placed orders by dealers in accordance with the allocations sent to them. If a dealer has 12 orders and 2 allocations, guess what happens to the other 10...

Again, if a dealer has 0 orders and 12 allocations, he will most definitely have his vehicles faster than the guy with 2 allocations.

It all has to do with dealer performance, location and market.

Sorry if it seems like I'm attacking you, that is not my intention, but when people bad mouth a company when they don't really understand the business, it makes me a little frustrated.

Its all good..

but I am still confused... last month my dealer said they were suppose to get 3 cars in April.. so far they are just now on the list for their 1 LT show car, (and I don't think it has left the plant yet).. my car is #1 order .....they had 9 allocations for orders back in October and sold them all...

Lots of Mustangs in Tacoma, Lots of Dealers in Tacoma... and only 3 show cars coming to Tacoma (to different shops).... its just odd... .. and not worth my frustrations or misunderstandings...

AND I do believe there are issues. With so many of us ordering 6+ months ago, and someone orders last month and get theirs before us.... no matter how you coat it, slice it or dress it up ... it is not fair to the LOYAL been around for a long time customers waiting.. however Chevy wants to sell it, its still not fair............ but alas life isnt fair.... I know......

UCF w00t 04-21-2009 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avol2 (Post 420924)
Its all good..

but I am still confused... last month my dealer said they were suppose to get 3 cars in April.. so far they are just now on the list for their 1 LT show car, (and I don't think it has left the plant yet).. my car is #1 order .....they had 9 allocations for orders back in October and sold them all...

Lots of Mustangs in Tacoma, Lots of Dealers in Tacoma... and only 3 show cars coming to Tacoma (to different shops).... its just odd... .. and not worth my frustrations or misunderstandings...

AND I do believe there are issues. With so many of us ordering 6+ months ago, and someone orders last month and get theirs before us.... no matter how you coat it, slice it or dress it up ... it is not fair to the LOYAL been around for a long time customers waiting.. however Chevy wants to sell it, its still not fair............ but alas life isnt fair.... I know......

When he said "3 cars in April" he was referring to allocations. Once a dealer receives allocation and submits an order to utilize that allocation, it's about a month or more until it will show up as built. Each dealer is getting ONE show car, no matter how big or small (although apparently some or all dealers are getting an additional freebie on top of that show car, I haven't seen clear info on this).

Keep in mind that really, we are not GM's customers, the dealers are. We are the dealers' customers. That being said, there's also strict rules/laws/regulations as to how GM has to divvy up allocation. They can't just give allocation to dealers that did preorders as you and pretty much everyone else on this forum including myself wishes they would. It just can't work that way.

Beechdoctor 04-21-2009 09:29 AM

Camaros are built in the following order. IMHO
 
Priority 1....High profile buyers like Nascar and Hollywood types....marketing strategy.

Priority 2....Knowing or getting to know someone higher up at GM that can influence the build schedule.

Priority 3....May 6th Dealer showroom cars and unveiling events...again marketing strategy.

Priority 4....Fleet cars like AVIS....still again marketing strategy.

Priority 5....Dealer size and total sales volume generally dictates when sold order cars are sequenced.

With few exceptions, Early orders from October are just sold orders without any special priority unless it is a Top Tier Dealer. GM is betting on tens of thousands of new orders with the May 6 event....dwarfing the October 2008 early orders from us fanatics. This sucks for those of us that ordered from a small dealer on the first day, but thatís the way the cookie crumbles.....

By July, this discussion will be a forgotten memory to the masses. :drinking:

The_Blur 04-21-2009 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chevyrocker (Post 420904)
Avol2: They definitely do know what they're doing. GM is not as stupid as everyone thinks. They have a plan for building the vehicles, trust me. The fact that dragons dealer did that is not uncommon. Just because some of us placed our orders with our dealers back in October means little to nothing really. GM sends out weekly allocations to each of its thousands of dealers so that every dealer can get cars regardless of how many the pre-sold. If anything, you guys should be mad at your dealers that took your orders knowing damn well they would not be built until June or July. GM did send memos to dealers advising them of how to handle the process and stated that it was up to them whether or not they would pre-sell these vehicles.

GM builds these cars based on placed orders by dealers in accordance with the allocations sent to them. If a dealer has 12 orders and 2 allocations, guess what happens to the other 10...

Again, if a dealer has 0 orders and 12 allocations, he will most definitely have his vehicles faster than the guy with 2 allocations.

It all has to do with dealer performance, location and market.

Sorry if it seems like I'm attacking you, that is not my intention, but when people bad mouth a company when they don't really understand the business, it makes me a little frustrated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by avol2 (Post 420924)
Its all good..

but I am still confused... last month my dealer said they were suppose to get 3 cars in April.. so far they are just now on the list for their 1 LT show car, (and I don't think it has left the plant yet).. my car is #1 order .....they had 9 allocations for orders back in October and sold them all...

Lots of Mustangs in Tacoma, Lots of Dealers in Tacoma... and only 3 show cars coming to Tacoma (to different shops).... its just odd... .. and not worth my frustrations or misunderstandings...

AND I do believe there are issues. With so many of us ordering 6+ months ago, and someone orders last month and get theirs before us.... no matter how you coat it, slice it or dress it up ... it is not fair to the LOYAL been around for a long time customers waiting.. however Chevy wants to sell it, its still not fair............ but alas life isnt fair.... I know......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beechdoctor (Post 421049)
Priority 1....High profile buyers like Nascar and Hollywood types....marketing strategy.

Priority 2....Knowing or getting to know someone higher up at GM that can influence the build schedule.

Priority 3....May 6th Dealer showroom cars and unveiling events...again marketing strategy.

Priority 4....Fleet cars like AVIS....still again marketing strategy.

Priority 5....Dealer size and total sales volume generally dictates when sold order cars are sequenced.

With few exceptions, Early orders from October are just sold orders without any special priority unless it is a Top Tier Dealer. GM is betting on tens of thousands of new orders with the May 6 event....dwarfing the October 2008 early orders from us fanatics. This sucks for those of us that ordered from a small dealer on the first day, but thatís the way the cookie crumbles.....

By July, this discussion will be a forgotten memory to the masses. :drinking:

At the end of the day, we can't be too upset. We have to remember that enthusiasts make up a small proportion of car buyers. Not many people are as fascinated as we are with the physics and design components of the automotive industry. It's sad that we have to wait the longest for the cars we want the most, but the ultimate truth is that we do not really profit the companies we support. Sureówe're more likely to buy car-related apparel, performance parts, and more expensive cars, but we're also a very small market segment that will buy regardless of what they throw at us. We are the guaranteed sales, and they have to go out of their way to get other sales in order to keep catering to us. If we were the only sales, our favorite companies would go the way of DeLorean.

RottNCrzy 04-21-2009 04:36 PM

I think the problem with some cars is the dealer takes your money but can't order them I've seen people place order in oct . But not accepted by GM till April.... Sorry to say but your car is now on line in April , Oct means nothing. All that means is the dealer did'nt have allocation so your order never went in till they had allocation. Tell me if I'm wrong but thats what my dealer said is what is going on.

FLYNNZL1 04-21-2009 07:37 PM

My workbench shows priority 25? What does that mean? My dealer had 24 on their preorder list, I am 5th on the second list I guess.

drewauby5 04-21-2009 08:13 PM

It means that you are 25th on the list of camaro orders placed at your dealer. They are allocated so many cars through the first 3 quarters of the year. They get monthly allotments and are allowed to enter in those in any order they choose. Basically you will be the 25th order entered by your dealer, thus waiting a while for your car...I am in Tucson also and looked at both dealers here and they told me I would be that high on list and I went to Larry Green Chevrolet in Cottonwood and used one of their open allocations in April, my car is at 2000 event code now.

CamaroScotty 04-21-2009 08:54 PM

Think of it like a TWO FUNNEL process....

You were first at your dealership (you go into the funnel) and the rest go in behind you....The funnel empties into a GM Funnel in March. First out of the dealer funnel, are the first into the GM funnel. Regardless how full your dealerships funnel was, all funnels into the GM funnel are treated equally. As the GM funnel empties, cars appear.


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