3,400 Lb Z/28?
If this is true it could make for a very intriguing 2016 Z/28....
"Cadillac claims a less than 3,400-pound curb weight on the ATS will be one of the lowest in the segment along with nearly 50/50 weight balance." http://www.thecarconnection.com/news...roit-auto-show EDIT: The weight is true :confused0068: "All-new, lightweight, rear-wheel-drive architecture with one of the lowest curb weights in the segment – less than 3,400 pounds" Post 16... Thanks Fen. :thumbsup: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...23#post4277923 |
3400 lb's and a DI V8 please.....
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Imagine a 5th gen V8 in that little squirt! .... you beat me... BMTA :D |
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As much as I want a 5th Gen Z/28 I can see them waiting to use the name plate on this platform. |
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Might see our first TT V6 Z/28 :laugh:
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Buit it made me Lol.... :laugh: |
OMG... seats getting smaller and smaller. Can't say it fits the avg American profile!
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Well looks like all those clamoring for a lightened Camaro will have it!. And significantly I might add compared to Gen5. The upcoming Caddy and Camaro are based on the same architecture, so expect the weights to be very similar between them. Gen6 Camaro, as it looks now, will be back at the curb weight of the last of the F bodies in 2002. Well played GM, well played....:clap:
So, as Mac says...resurrect the Z-28 then for Gen6, and I propose they make a 1LE track pack version < aka Z-28, but not named as so> now for the last of the Gen5. :) |
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Great news, for all Camaro's, not just the Z/28.
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Wow thats all im gonna say! Would looooove to have a new Orange or white Camaro Z28 or even better a light to medium Blue in 2016
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A 5th gen V8 Camaro would likely be closer to 3600+ lbs on the same platform. The only way you get a Z/28 Camaro at 3400 lbs will either be if it is a 4-cylinder, or if it turns out to be a "stripper" model, similar to what Porche does with certain models, where leather, power seats, air conditioning, a radio, most of the sound insulation, and possibly the back seats are deleted in an all out effort to reduce weight, or, some combination of both. |
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... actually, I think it's a chrysler thing. Gives me the heebyjeebies when ya'll use it. ...almost bad as calling a "wheel", a "rim". :mad0259: nothing personal, just FYI |
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ATS also will have more glass and two more doors on it. I would imagine doors add weight and I know glass does. That said, I doubt the aluminum hood would make it on the Camaro, and the magnesium engine mount brackets might not either. What can be said, with pretty good certainty, is that the next Camaro will be significantly lighter than the current one. One other thing to think about is how big the Camaro will be compared to the ATS. Same platform, but what about overall length? ATS is about 6 inches shorter than the Gen5, does that mean the Gen6 Camaro will be smaller than the current car? That could add weight as well. |
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Perhaps my math is wrong...but this may just be a VERY light car. |
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Since they only rounded to one figure after the decimal place, you could have a range of 3386 to 3414 pounds (using 10.75 to 10.84 lbs per HP).
An LT Camaro with the same engine and transmission combination weighs 3720lbs. So the ATS is at least 300lbs lighter. An SS with a stick is 3850lbs, so we're talking 3550lbs for a fully loaded Camaro with a V8. If some of the features standard on the ATS are not added to the Camaro, you may be looking at sub 3500lbs for a V8 Camaro. Plus I stand by what I said earlier, that the extra doors and glass on the ATS add weight that the Camaro won't have. There will also be significantly less sound deadening material, which isn't light. |
Maybe we should not have made this thread for like 3 years or so......
Boy do we have a looooong time to speculate. :laugh: |
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Theres alot of verbiage discussed, bandied about, and tossed around here that I, and many of my colleagues, have discussed about the ZL1 for over a year, none of which I recall you posting about until recently, sooooo... here's a recent link to go with that....and as things stand you can say what you will, for now....<as my teeth clench ever so slightly into my tongue>:D |
I'm going to Bing for a pic of doodoo hittin' the fan. Shovels at the ready, ACE hardware is open if you need 'em. :D
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.... SMACK.... am I a noob to the Zee threads? :bellyroll: Fen... he called me a noob... you gonna let him get away with that? .... Clyde??? aww... c'mon guys :sm0: |
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Unveil talked about a lot of aluminum and magnesium in the undercarriage. I can see some of that changing over to steel for the 6th gen.
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MisterCamaro69, perhaps it's the "tone" of what you are saying combined with random appearences in these threads, or not. Sometimes my fuzzy old brain takes a while to remember who has contributed to these threads and who hasn't if it hasn't been recent.
That said, back to the topics at hand. It sounds to me like the new chassis is going to fall within the range I said I hoped for a few weeks back, I said I felt certain the new ATS chassis would allow a 200 lb. weight reduction, but I was really hoping for a 300-400 lb. reduction and it looks like it will be very close to that. Clyde |
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Actually, these guys come to mind..but at least they were comical...
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...25282%2529.jpg |
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I'm sure the Caddy will use the higher grade metals more than the Camaro, but I doubt we're talking more weight than a cute petite chick in the passenger seat would add. Reuss really towered over the ATS, it's definitely a small platform. |
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ATS Dimensions (BMW M3 in red) Exterior Wheelbase (in / mm): 109.3 / 2775 108.7 Length (in / mm): 182.8 / 4643 181.8 Height (in / mm): 55.9 / 1421 55.6 Width (in / mm): 71.1 / 1805 71.5 Track (in / mm): front: 59.5 / 1512 60.5 rear: 60.9 / 1548 60.5 Curb weight (lb / kg): less than 3,400 / 1,542 (approx.) 3704 Weight distribution (% front / rear): 51 / 49 same |
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I hope the Camaro follows similar exterior dimensions to the ATS though. |
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I don't think there is much weight to be saved by removing premium content from the ATS when the 6th gen Camaro is made. Why? Well, the much larger CTS shares most of its mechanical bits with the Camaro. But both the V6s and the supercharged V8s tend to be around 100 lbs different, in cars that are very different in size and interior appointments.
And whatever weight might be lost by reducing content can easily be made up again by going with cheaper (and therefore heavier) materials in the Chevrolet. I'd expect that an ATS & a Camaro, with similar powertrain options, will be within about 50 lbs of each other. Quote:
I doubt GM would offer an all-out stripper as a Z28. They might, and I'd respect the decision if they did, but for marketability I'd put my money on a much more conventional approach. Even less likely is a 4 cylinder Z28 in the next generation (for the 8th or 9th gen ... who knows). So I'm thinking (as you probably are too) that the chances for a 3400 lb Z28 are slim to nill Quote:
Can't even guess on the size of the next gen Camaro from this. Currently, the Camaro rides on a platform that also has sedans with 6" more wheel base & 14" more overall length. So GM builds quite a bit of flexability into their platforms when it comes to size. Will the 6th gen be close to the ATS in size? Probably. But it could easily more or less stay the same size as the current car, but just get about 200 lbs lighter. |
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Again I'm sayin' 200lbs max savings.
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