Let's Talk About ZMax Oil Treatment a Moment.
 

Hi Everyone,...
I tend to watch the Speed Channel a lot, I watch Bullrun, Super Bikes, Pass Time, Super Car, Wrecked, Jacked and many others,... You know, Mostly the series when they're running new ones.

Anyway they Advertise the ZMax Oil Treatment All The Time During some of these shows, It's a micro-lubricant that soaks into metal of where ever your using it. If you use it in your engine you have to put more back in every 6000 miles.

Has anyone ever use this stuff, Sure I've read their Web site, their FAQ's and their Testimonials.

What ever happen to Slick 50? I remember about 15 Years ago or so,... Slick 50 Was the Talk of the Town and now you don't ever hear anything about them,... Or at least I dont anymore is ZMax going to Turn in to another Slick 50 in 10-15 years?

But then again I think Slick 50 and ZMax are 2 totally Different Products Anyway. I was just using Slick 50 as an Example.

So what are your thoughts on ZMax Products?
I have a 2SS on order and I've been thinking about using their products and wanted to if anyone has used any of the ZMax Products Before or Know anything about them First Hand before I started to use them myself.

Thanks for stopping by and for your input.

RCPW.
A.K.A.
Jim

Snake OIL
 

Its nothing more than common mineral oil. If you believe the hype, just go buy some plain ol' mineral oil and pour it in your car. Same as...

Snake oil

So Carrol Shelby is a snake oil salesman? Sold his soul for cash I guess.

Some people will swear it works but be sure to do some reasearch first and check out this article first before buying. http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/02/zmax1.shtm

I've been using Z-Max since I picked up my car (Aug 30) got it on the way home. If it's snake oil I guess I am the fool, but I've had zero problems. I also use it in the beater Jeep I picked up in November. gas mileage went up by almost 15%. must be some rel strange snake oil, or just luck or maybe as they found out on Horsepower TV on the dyno it made greater horsepower and lowered the needed fuel. I would sooner believe Carrol Shelby, what I saw in my Jeep and on Horsepower TV. NOT SNAKE OIL,

Oh, forgot I also used the fuel treatment too. (could have something to do with it) they come in a pack one for oil, one for fuel

Great first hand info. Thanks for sharing. Restores my faith in Mr. Shelby. :)

It is Mineral Oil, plain and simple. Does that make you a fool? Well if Z-Max really works for you, then just go buy plain old mineral oil in a bulk jug and save much bucks.

ok, that was in 2001, it is now almost 9 years later, what was the outcome?

Ok I found out the info on the Zmax website

If You Have To Use Oil Additives Then You Are Using The Wrong Oil.

All these personalities promoting these products ARE BEING PAID TO DO SO.......


Anyone who uses oil additives is just plain wasting money.

Couldn't have said it better ! I use only Mobil 1 synthetic in every vehicle I own and have never had a problem yet.

Well, I use Royal Purple. I also still use Z-Max. Let's see in oh ten years who has more out of pocket engine expenses. Bet I win. Many people have knee-jerk reactions. Mine are based on pure science and testing. Yes extensive testing. For a few dollars, more horsepower, lower friction, longer engine life, better gas mileage. I will continue spending a little more for a lot of benefits.

Oh just one more thought. I do not believe Carrol Shelby is hurting and is promoting a product for a little endorsement money. If he were, why not more endorsements. Can't think of any others. He says he believes in the product. I believed him, based on his rep. After using the product, I believe in it.

When I finally do get my 2SS I just want to try and make it "BETTER" if I possibly can that is why I posted this thread, I dont know if this product is Snake Oil or Not, Believe me when it comes time for me to have the oil changed I'll probably have it changed with Mobil 1 Synthetic Oil, I believe that is what comes with it from reading the Adobe .pdf Manual if i remember correctly, I just want to make my Camaro Better in every way Possible and for an extra $30-$35 every 6000 Miles Really isnt that much to spend since we're almost pretty much spending $3.00 for a gallon a gas at a well know gas station for good gas for our cars or $2.75 for gallon for crappy gas at a crappy gas station for your car.

Ksb2010ss,...

I totally agree,... I plan on using the same oil :thumbup: but again I just want to make my car Better is all that is why I started this thread to find out if this Oil Treatment Fluid is any good or not.

I'm still not convinced yet, Carrol Shelby is an old man, I dont know what his finances are, Plus he's a Mustang Guy and I can't stand Mustang's :facepalm:.

I use royal purple.

Redline racing oil for me. Use it in all my scooters and now my Maro.

I thought he was part owner in the Company? I know the majority Stock holder is Speedway motorsports, but I thought Shelby still retained partial ownership...

I would be willing to take that bet with you...:) I use Amsoil based on scientific tests, studies, and personal experiences. It has treated me well and is the only oil I wold recommend, no additives needed. It blows RP out of the water, Mobil 1 is the only oil close to comparing to it.

How can it be that some additive manufacturer can have a miracle, cure-all additive without knowing the chemistry of the oil it will be used in? The answer is, they don't. They are masters at marketing, not science chemistry and engineering.

Anecdotal evidence based solely on the experiences of individual consumers and testimonials reporting specific performance attributes in the absence of reliable independent evidence showing performance capability is insufficient to support product claims.

All of these products are just psychological placebos. Simply use a good quality oil, it will have all the additives your engine needs, mixed right in. Oil additives only serve to lessen the effectiveness of your oil's additives and lubrication properties.

The Bottom Line Don't use any oil additives whatsoever, NONE of them are effective and many are damaging. Simply use a good quality oil, its got all the additives you need

Well, every super snake that Shelby builds has it in it. :bolt:

:thumbsup:

Now this I can believe. You can use it, but you don't NEED it.

Wasnt slick 50 for high mileage cars? I dont remember anyone using it on a new car. Dont know anything about this product your talking about, but I used royal purple.

People in here saying that its snake oil but then using Mobil 1 "synthetic" is kind of funny to me.

How so? GM recommends syn for all LS series V8's. Probably has something to do with reducing carbon deposits in that engine amoing other things.

Mobil 1 also fits into that group. They are only synthetics in the US and NO WHERE else in the world.

Mobil 1 is the factory fill because Mobil 1 pays GM the most.

So for you Canada people, can you get Mobil 1 synthetic in your auto parts stores?

Where did you find that Mobile 1 is not a true Synthetic oil? I can't find anything like that...

I did find on the Mobil Canada website that many places sells Mobil 1 Synthetic in Canada



I did find this website that has alot of myths about Oils and Oil Changes...

http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm#Introduction
Here is an exerpt about Synthetics.

:word: If your oil is good, then your car will run just fine. If you have to add stuff to it, then pick another oil. Additives are bad. Keep it simple.

well that's one opinion, not scientifically based, each to their own. Just because you think it is so doesn't make it so

I'm learning a lot from this thread. :thumbsup:

P.T. Barnum said it best..."There's a Sucker born every minute"

Zmax was sued for fraud. Check out this link at the FTC.
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/02/zmax1.shtm

It cant be called a FULL synthetic. I left that out on accident.

Anywhere else in the world if the oil uses a Group III base stock (basically natural petroleum based) then it cant be called fully synthetic. Group IV is ACTUALLY fully synthetic and there are very few oils out there today that is.

Regardless, Mobil 1 went to court to retain the right to call it a full syn in the US. They won so the name stayed when they switched to Group III in 02-03 (dont really remember the exact date they changed) so that they could make more money off their oil while keeping the price for the consumer the same.

Heres is some good information on AMSOIL thier oil is API certified and meets GM 4718M standards. This is just their top of the line oil they have 5W30 as well and yes for those of you that are going to be asking I am a dealer of it. I was a customer for the longest time before I became a dealer and it is not my bread maker I mostly became a dealer as it was cheaper for me. I use it in 5 personal vehicles right now along with the boats and four wheelers and even lawn equipment. All I can say is do some research on your own.

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Mixing AMSOIL
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Man this was some good night time snooze reading, lots of info here. I'm real tired now thanks. By the way I threw that mineral oil in along with the gas treatment.Was getiing 15-city 19 highway. Mineral oil gets me 19-20 city 22 highway. Good night,this sucker needs to sleep some!

Also, if you can get a 0W30 then get it! Especially during winter as it only provides more cold start protection.

I have 465k on 3 LS1 engines with Mobil1 or Pennzoil Platinum and a Wix, Mobil1 or K&N filter. None burn ANY oil, have a significant compression issue and still get 22-24 mpg.

I have never used ANY additives. I change my oil at 8-9k and occasionally have my oil analyzed through Blackstone. Preventive and scheduled maintenance is the key.

Point?

Here come the AVON and Mary Kay ladies....

The Blur is right on...You do NOT need to use an oil additive with a new 2010 Camaro SS.

To further...

You do not need to use an oil or fuel additive on any new car that you use top tier fuel or oil. If the car has 120k on the odometer, clean the MAF, TPS, fog the intake, Seafoam the upper cylinder and valves.

Again...if you used top tier products to begin with, you will likely NEVER have any issues down the road.