What would/should I use for the water pump. Sorry for all the questions.


Fastest camaro in OKC

John Lee @ Atlanta Performance and Fabrication did the install for my 2.8 KB.
On our first test, we heat soaked the car in stop and go traffic for about 20 minutes, the IAT's were around 150 and the water temp was 120. After about four minutes with it running, we saw the IAT's drop down to 109 and the water temps dropped down to 57!!:D I could tell with the seat of the pants meter that the car had a much better response with the chilled water in 85 degree ambient temps. It's a good system for helping the IAT's stay close to ambient on "HOT" days!:thumbsup:

AWESOME!! Jhons a good dude,make him take you to the kilt lol

Water to Air Intercooler Bosch Cobra Pump.

This water/air intercooler pump is designed for circulating water in water/air intercoolers. This pump is designed by Bosch and Ford specifically for water/air applications. This pump is Bosch part number 0 392 022 002 and is used in many of the supercharged Mustang Cobras and supercharged Mercedes. As well as after market Super Charger Kits, it can be found on line for around $120. There is also the high end Meziere for all out!

Thanks for the feed back and SUPORT! Satisfaction is the most important thing.
Also thanks to Atlanta Performance for the recommendations that resulted in additional sales. When you can satisfy the professional in the field trying to make $ on a new install and performance is satisfactory to a point that they recommend us that says it all.

maybe a silly question
 

Why not fab an aluminum coolant tank with the coil welded inside rather than installing the chiller remotely as designed? It seems that the submerged coil would be more efficient at removing heat. How large is the coil you are using? What would you charge for coil only?

Funny guy! We do just that the first 2.5 gal Chiller Tank is shipping this week; a 78 series battery size Chiller tank is also available and custom size Chiller Tanks as well.

2.5 gal is intended for remote mount but battery size is intended to replace battery under hood where battery has been relocated. I’m making custom AN fittings now for tanks and will post pics of finished Chiller Tank this week

Whipple!
 

We still need to get a Super Chiller on a Whipple! I know the HX water pump needs to be relocated. Whipple mounts the pump exactly where the high side Freon adapter goes. Other than moving pump to where Magnusson mounts pump I don’t see a problem.

ZL1 or ZL1 bumper

On ZL1 the only way to Mount Super Chiller is to change the Radiator Coolant tank to a smaller tank then the Super Chiller can be mounted farther back from the Fog Lights. Be sure to say Whipple, Maggie, E Force, KB, ZL1 or ZL1 bumper when ordering, did I forget anyone?

Oh V6, on V6 we move the chiller farther back as well since V6 fog light interferes as well.

We have kits for CTS V, XLR V and ZO6 now as well.

Here is the first Chiller Tank to ship. This thing is going to make an insane amount of cold water, some people still put ice in these.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...illerTank1.jpg

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Next one is going to be same size as a 78 series battery with a standard radiator cap on it. We can also do custom size Chiller Tanks as well. Fittings can be on either side or even bottom. For example you could put Battery size tank under hood with hoses out of bottom hidden.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...illerTank3.jpg

Water enters tank then goes through core same as a Super Chiller and exits core same as a Super Chiller but stainless steel core is submerged in water as well for 100% cooling capacity!

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...illerTank4.jpg

Love my Chiller. Todays temp was 95* and my IATs were in the low 70s cruising around.

Wow just found ^this thread.

I'm the guy getting the tank. I'm shooting for 800rwhp boost only. :rolleyes:

Dave has been great to work with and is making a killer kit.:happyanim:

Looking to install this weekend.:thumbsup:

Wow, that's a crazy wild setup. I presume you become 100% dependent on the AC compressor though and not a good option for an all purpose street car? (I'm guessing Trent's is the build where the heat exchanger gets eliminated)

I have never designed a system without a heat exchanger and diverter valve. No reason you couldn’t but why be dependent on AC.

rbanshee1 had his 09 CTS V trucked to me from Jersey to be the first Super Chilled CTS V and flew in to pick it up and drive home.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...iller/CTSV.jpg

He helped me put bumper cover on as well so he saw installation first hand.

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He is reporting mid 40s ICWT in 90+ weather.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...V/CTSVTime.jpg

Here is a time slip he sent to my phone, Right Lane Win*at Atco. This is a stock car with lower pulley, CAI, tune and Super Chiller not to shabby!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1eVRGAhDYo

He is also on You tube next to a Viper with the Super Chiller.

Rich was great customer to work with and continues to update me how pleased he is with his Super Chiller. His build is covered on a Cadillac Forum.

Here is a diagram for a Battery size Chiller Tank on a 07 CTS V with E Force we have an order for.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...HILLERTANK.png

I have some but NOT with the new ice box. I would have to dig it up but I think on the dyno after 3 runs in a row there was ZERO loss in RWHP with the chiller on and 3 runs same time between runs showed a loss on the second run of I think 15 HP and the 3rd run was 20 hp with the chiller off and running through the Heat Exchanger. We saw a reduction on 30-40* in IAT throughout the run. This was IIRC 95* day and shop temp was 105ish.

Here is a copy of a post I made last year when I first put the chiller on and I did days of testing on the road and this is the info from that dyno testing which matched all of the road testing I did. I didn't post any graphs as I was having issues with my SCT losing connections so I never turned the logger off so it was about 30 min long.

I ok well I got the data off we needed, I tried to do a graph and all that but I am tired and not gonna do it now. So the dyno sheets I emailed to myself from the shop didn't work so I will go off of memory for the numbers there.

First off the A/C does kick off at WOT but comes back on around 4500RPM(we could see a dip in the dyno sheet. So for ALL the Chiller on tests we let it chill for 5 minutes between runs and just before we went WOT we turned off the A/C. Same 5 minutes were given for cool down for Chiller OFF.

Chiller OFF Data

101* AMBIENT
1st pull IAT start at 104*F end at 122*F car made 568

2nd pull IAT starts at 114*F end at 140*F car made 55? had a small amout of KR (.3)

3rd pull IAT starts at 125*F end at 145*F car made 54? had alittle more KR (.9)


Chiller ON

107* AMBIENT
1st pull IAT starts at 64*F ends at 113*F car made 56?

2nd Pull IAT starts at 66*F ends at 116*F car made 56?

3rd pull IAT starts at 66*F ends at 116*F car made 56?

Did a pulley change 3.6 to a 3.4 and went from 6psi to 7 psi and made 596 and the torque can't remember but it went up almost 50ftlbs. IAT were the same as the other runs with the chiller on.

I didn't tune for the chiller, we were pressed for time as they had 2 other cars that needed tuning and I was on the dyno most of the day doing 8-10 pulls. The tuner though we could get another 1-2 degrees of timing with IAT where they were with the chiller on but since we didn't have time to test I choose to stay where I was and be safer at the same power level. I think if your IATs are higher than 140*F you may get some HP out of this deal and be alot safer, but my car at 6-7PSI doesn't produce alot of heat.

I hope everyone is ok with the test as you can't please everyone but I did my best to keep a even playing field but temps came up as the day went on and engine coolant temps are what they are when we hit the go pedal. I will try to get some logs for the 1/4 mile but it isn't going to change any from what I have already done around here on the road and the dyno actually proved to heat up the car more than a 0-120mph run.

Thanks, Jeremy
I knew you would step up!
Yes the Chiller Tank is getting a lot of positive response. Rat is installing first one now and we already have another order for one on a 800hp install. The new development with AN Fittings and a Diverter Controller in the works. Things are starting to shape up!

Dave , That Chiller tank looks killer

That new chiller box looks sweet Dave. Where could we mount it on my car? I might be interested in replacing my current HE for this new type.

I am guessing it has to go in the trunk.

Hmmmmmm... That would be cool but that would mean running AC lines to and from the trunk. I'd almost want the new lines to be hard lines instead of rubber just for peace of mind.

I agree with you, I could supply lengths of straight bendable lines with AC fittings on each end then switch to hose. I can mail them in shipping tubes.

Rat is using Aeroquip A/C Race Hose. It has a smaller OD and is braded as well as user can put reusable ends on. He is using I think its PEX from Home Depot for water. It looks good check it out!

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I Have these CNC Freon return adapters made blank so I can drill the opening anywhere and weld any shape AC fitting to it. For example on the Camaro if you have big FRCs I can tweak the location of Freon return line special order. Above mentioned Rat TBSS he needs special direction to easily run the AC hose for Chiller Tank so I welded this one to order. That’s all he needs now and will have it working Saturday! Can’t wait to hear his comments on performance.

We have an offer to include a Super Chiller in a Gm performance Magazine, only problem is I don’t have a custom kit available for car model yet, working on that.

We have first Whipple Camaro Kit Shipping to Canada as well as another Chiller Tank Shipping now. I have simplified custom AN fittings to one part # for Bulkheads and one part # for Super Chillers before machining. I picked up another order of Fittings from welder Friday. All Freon connections including connection to core are O-ring fittings now and working out great. Also restocked all the CNC parts! I have over 10K in Chiller parts in stock now!

The Competition wiring update is going out to all previous customers interested Free, so if I have not contacted you contact me to be included. This simple update with a relay and Diode will keep HEX. Closed even when AC cycles during Competition Mode and will make significant reduction of IAT in Comp mode. Once installed makes no visible change to driver.

We have 2 respected TX shops installing Super Chillers now! I can’t wait for there Dyno reviews.

Check out our new ZL1 and V6 Super Chiller Mounting. Mounts farther back but still uses existing mounting holes.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...er/ZL1Side.jpg

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