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Doglife1LE 01-02-2013 01:16 PM
Motortrend's 1LE vs Mustang GT track pack
 
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...gt_track_pack/

PYROLYSIS 01-02-2013 02:19 PM
Ford wussed out big time by not letting them have a Boss. We all know what the outcome would have been.

DanSS24 01-02-2013 02:48 PM
MT quote: "you're wondering if maybe the Boss 302 might be a tougher opponent for the SS 1LE. Well, we asked Ford for a Boss and were politely refused. Ford's reasoning was simple: See, the Boss 302 is a distinct and separate model, much like the Camaro ZL1 or the Shelby GT500"

Nice excuse

To me...The Boss 302 is still a Mustang, just like the SS 1LE is still a Camaro. Doesn't really matter though, the more expensive Boss 302 LS still couldn't beat the 1LE, as the VIR times shows.

Doglife1LE 01-02-2013 03:20 PM
They're shaking in their boots they didn't want the "The Boss" to get beat by just on option available on the SS.

LateBrakeU2 01-02-2013 03:33 PM
The fact the Camaro is 300lbs heavier, and three seconds a lap faster at streets should tell you how well balanced the car is. The stang is clearly undertired with 255's, but it's the wheelbase that has always made it nervous. Streets of Willow is like a mini nurburgring- people are going to be slack jawed when they see just how far sub 8 it is going to be when a guy like Heinricy throws down a flyer.

Doglife1LE 01-02-2013 03:43 PM
I'm not going to like when I was shopping for a my car I looked at the Boss. It is a bad ass car. I even considering buying the Grabber Blue one I went to look at. Then I saw the dealer mark up of 10k and laughed all the way home. Plus the wife put her foot down on a mustang. One of the first times that I'm glad I listened.

2cnd chance 01-02-2013 07:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanSS24 (Post 5983150)
MT quote: "you're wondering if maybe the Boss 302 might be a tougher opponent for the SS 1LE. Well, we asked Ford for a Boss and were politely refused. Ford's reasoning was simple: See, the Boss 302 is a distinct and separate model, much like the Camaro ZL1 or the Shelby GT500"

Nice excuse

To me...The Boss 302 is still a Mustang, just like the SS 1LE is still a Camaro. Doesn't really matter though, the more expensive Boss 302 LS still couldn't beat the 1LE, as the VIR times shows.

Embarrassing for Ford!!! :thumbdown:

There's only "1" reason that they said that, they (we) knew they would lose. It's funny that they let them get away with that. Didn't they also jack the price of the 1LE way up?

cornerspeed92 01-02-2013 07:08 PM
Yeah they should of used the 1SS 1LE non RS

assasinator 01-04-2013 07:37 AM
Let me be the first mustang owner to congratulate the Camaro SS 1LE at beating a Premium Brembo mustang around a road course, and equaling it in the 1/4 mile(.1 less mph).

The rear end gearing has made up the difference in weight at the drag strip for any stock premium mustang gt OR any premium Brembo mustang gt.

The 1LE is also faster around a road course than a Boss, Boss LS, and base Brembo GT.

What the 1LE is not faster than is a Boss, Boss LS, or BASE 3.73 Brembo GT at the strip. I bet its a very close race to the $29.7k BASE Brembo GT though.


Quote:
Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS (Post 5983041)
Ford wussed out big time by not letting them have a Boss. We all know what the outcome would have been.

1LE murders the Boss LS on a road course and the Boss LS MURDERS the 1LE at the strip.

shawn18 01-04-2013 08:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by assasinator (Post 5989928)

1LE murders the Boss LS on a road course and the Boss LS MURDERS the 1LE at the strip.
What exactly is the difference on the strip? The 1LE is 12.7 @111 right? What is the Boss LS rated in the 1/4?

motorhead 01-04-2013 08:36 AM
Why is the boss any more special than a 1LE? The name doesn't mean anything. It's all in how it performs. I would drive a Car named POS if it was a bad ass car.

PYROLYSIS 01-04-2013 10:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by motorhead (Post 5990056)
Why is the boss any more special than a 1LE? The name doesn't mean anything. It's all in how it performs. I would drive a Car named POS if it was a bad ass car.
Yeah, you drive a boob so that must be awesome! :)

Mgizzle 01-04-2013 11:20 AM
What a lame comparison. Go rear popularmechanics comparing 2013 boss 302 vs. 1LE. 1LE killed it at the track.

Anyhow, the Boss 302 runs around 12.2-12.4 quarter mile from what I have seen in tests.

assasinator 01-04-2013 11:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shawn18 (Post 5990050)
What exactly is the difference on the strip? The 1LE is 12.7 @111 right? What is the Boss LS rated in the 1/4?

lol 12.3 @ 117mph is average. its motortrend's time in a boss LS. 6 mph faster. breaks 11's with drag radials alone.

shawn18 01-04-2013 11:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by assasinator (Post 5990598)
lol 12.3 @ 117mph is average. its motortrend's time in a boss LS. 6 mph faster. breaks 11's with drag radials alone.
Thats pretty impressive

Mgizzle 01-04-2013 10:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by assasinator (Post 5990598)
lol 12.3 @ 117mph is average. its motortrend's time in a boss LS. 6 mph faster. breaks 11's with drag radials alone.
Wow, a BOSS 302 Mustang with DRAG radials performing impressively at the dragstrip!!!! What's next, a GT500 Shelby with supercharger removed, 6 cylinders deactivated and a solar panel instead of glass roof getting 20mpg city, on a VOLT forum!!!! Awesome!

The BOSS has a sole purpose, road racing. It got its behind handed by the 1LE at $5000 cheaper on a ROAD COURSE. It also showed a few tricks to the BOSS LS, which is a lot, a lot, more.

No that is impressive.

shawn18 01-04-2013 10:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mgizzle (Post 5993247)
Wow, a BOSS 302 Mustang with DRAG radials performing impressively at the dragstrip!!!! What's next, a GT500 Shelby with supercharger removed, 6 cylinders deactivated and a solar panel instead of glass roof getting 20mpg city, on a VOLT forum!!!! Awesome!

The BOSS has a sole purpose, road racing. It got its behind handed by the 1LE at $5000 cheaper on a ROAD COURSE. It also showed a few tricks to the BOSS LS, which is a lot, a lot, more.

No that is impressive.
:chevy:....Wurd :word:

CrystalRedTintcoat 01-05-2013 01:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by assasinator (Post 5989928)
Let me be the first mustang owner to congratulate the Camaro SS 1LE at beating a Premium Brembo mustang around a road course, and equaling it in the 1/4 mile(.1 less mph).

The rear end gearing has made up the difference in weight at the drag strip for any stock premium mustang gt OR any premium Brembo mustang gt.

The 1LE is also faster around a road course than a Boss, Boss LS, and base Brembo GT.

What the 1LE is not faster than is a Boss, Boss LS, or BASE 3.73 Brembo GT at the strip. I bet its a very close race to the $29.7k BASE Brembo GT though.





1LE murders the Boss LS on a road course and the Boss LS MURDERS the 1LE at the strip.



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CrystalRedTintcoat 01-05-2013 01:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by assasinator (Post 5989928)
1LE murders the Boss LS on a road course and the Boss LS MURDERS the 1LE at the strip.
The 1LE is not designed to be a strip car.


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ST1LE 01-05-2013 09:28 AM
None of these cars are made for the strip. If they were then Ford wouldnt have been so SCARED to match the BOSS up to the 1LE on this test instead of their weak track ready GT. Seems like a LOT of money to spend for a car that can only beat the 1LE in straight line acceleration. We dont live in a world of straight roads, and even if we did you have to turn sometime and that is why I chose the 1LE. As awesome as all these cars really are, you cant even get close to the value of the 1LE.

2cnd chance 01-05-2013 01:17 PM
What about that 1 hour infomercial Ford did for the Boss and Boss LS? Not too much talk about 1/4 mile. It was all track talk. They were touting it as the best they'd ever done for the Mustang. So OUCH to Ford that the 1LE wins.

Russo 01-05-2013 01:43 PM
So the car that won costs $4000 more, has 30 more torque, better traction, and is geared higher? You don't say!

shawn18 01-05-2013 01:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russo (Post 5995071)
So the car that won costs $4000 more, has 30 more torque, better traction, and is geared higher? You don't say!
<<<<:sm0::sm0::sm0: @ ^^^:cry::cry::cry:

2cnd chance 01-05-2013 02:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russo (Post 5995071)
So the car that won costs $4000 more, has 30 more torque, better traction, and is geared higher? You don't say!
Yes, but it won by a lot. :headbang:

Mgizzle 01-06-2013 12:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russo (Post 5995071)
So the car that won costs $4000 more, has 30 more torque, better traction, and is geared higher? You don't say!
Russo, you have to be kidding right? Last time I checked a 1LE starts at ~<$38,000k. I payed less than that for mine and many others too.

Sorry to burst your bubble man, but the BOSS 302 Laguna Seca beating 1LE can be cheaper than a 5.0 GT track pack.

ST1LE 01-06-2013 09:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russo (Post 5995071)
So the car that won costs $4000 more, has 30 more torque, better traction, and is geared higher? You don't say!

It was a odd, but they had the 1LE a bit more loaded with options than the Mustang GT w/ Track Pack was. It didnt give a real apples to apples comparison as far as price is concerned.

Russo 01-06-2013 10:11 AM
Some of us haven't seen the Head 2 Head video comparison where the ZL1 marginally beat the 2012 Boss LS.. If the ZL1 had a run for its money, I don't think the 1LE is going to magically be better than a 2013 Boss, much less the Laguna Seca...

shawn18 01-06-2013 10:56 AM
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Check out the times from VIR.........

shawn18 01-06-2013 10:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russo (Post 5998853)
Some of us haven't seen the Head 2 Head video comparison where the ZL1 marginally beat the 2012 Boss LS.. If the ZL1 had a run for its money, I don't think the 1LE is going to magically be better than a 2013 Boss, much less the Laguna Seca...
But hey keep on drinkin' the koolaid.......There is a reason Ford wouldn't let them compare a Boss............

shawn18 01-06-2013 11:05 AM
Here is one of the 1LE lapping VIR in 2:58.....Find one of the Boss or GT500 doing that.....Just sayin'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Eb6uMeFfc4

blufin 01-06-2013 11:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shawn18 (Post 5999002)
Here is one of the 1LE lapping VIR in 2:58.....Find one of the Boss or GT500 doing that.....Just sayin'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Eb6uMeFfc4
:clap: :headbang:

shawn18 01-06-2013 11:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NVmyZL1 (Post 5999146)
Here you go, GT500 putting down a 2:58 time at VIR.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2011-for...nds-video.html

Oh yeah, that was a 2011 version;less powerful and without adjustable suspension that the 2013 GT500 has. That car made 550hp from the factory if memory serves. That's within 10 HP and less torque than my ZL1 makes.
Then the GT500 is just as quick as the 1LE with 124 less hp....Cool.....The 13 GT500 ran a little quicker than the 1LE at VIR this yr. on the lightning lap with 236 +/- more hp.........A whole .9 seconds faster

shawn18 01-06-2013 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NVmyZL1 (Post 5999263)
Your power of observation is remarkable!:rolleyes:
:sm0::sm0: ...Thanks for noticing...........:bow:

2cnd chance 01-06-2013 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russo (Post 5998853)
Some of us haven't seen the Head 2 Head video comparison where the ZL1 marginally beat the 2012 Boss LS.. If the ZL1 had a run for its money, I don't think the 1LE is going to magically be better than a 2013 Boss, much less the Laguna Seca...
Now that right there is crazy talk. :help:

2cnd chance 01-06-2013 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shawn18 (Post 5999189)
Then the GT500 is just as quick as the 1LE with 124 less hp....Cool.....The 13 GT500 ran a little quicker than the 1LE at VIR this yr. on the lightning lap with 236 +/- more hp.........A whole .9 seconds faster
Don't forget their comment that a bad missed shift caused a 1+ second addition to the 1LE time. So that means the 1LE would have bettered the GT500 time.

shawn18 01-06-2013 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2cnd chance (Post 5999312)
Don't forget their comment that a bad missed shift caused a 1+ second addition to the 1LE time. So that means the 1LE would have bettered the GT500 time.
:word:


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