Well we know the new camaro is going to tear apart any mustang
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1763828
Dont know how much its been discussed, but if the 08 LS3 vette is putting down 390rwhp. Id imagine at worse the new SS is going to be 370rwhp. Not to mention a few mods bringing it over 400rwhp :happyanim: |
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actually, from what i know your both wrong. the 422 is Bhp( base hors power) not rwhp wich goes strait to the tires. the engine has its power rating(bhp), then theres the power that actually gets to the wheels(whp). correct me if im wrong. but please prove with info, dont just state as fact. thank you. |
how is this for proof.
New render and details on the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SSPosted on 4-09-2008 by AndreyLeave your comment Category: Chevrolet, General Motors
Recently General Motors have put on their site the first official render and performance data of their top-spec SS (standing for Super Sport) version of the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro. And this version really deserves the Super Sport badge, being powered by a 6.2 litre V8 which comes with a choice of either manual or automatic transmission, both with 6 speeds. Here start the differences, if you opt for the manual transmission, you’ll be getting the 6.2 litre V8 LS3 engine which can deliver up to 422 hp with 553 Nm of torque (or 408 lb.-ft.). Instead, if you choose an automatic gearbox, you’ll be gettin the 6.2 litre V8 L99 engine, which has, besides the standard LS3, GM’s Active Fuel Management system, which enables the engine to run only 4 cylinders on normal driving conditions, like in the city. This engine is capable of 400 hp and 535 Nm (395 lb.-ft.) of torque. Coupled with the automatic transmission, the SS will achieve an average of 23 mpg or 10.2 l/100km. |
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Yes... those are the bhp numbers not what goes to the wheels. |
Point is, the new SS should be able to hit 500bhp NA
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yes we have a winner, Bob tell him what he has won. lol,lol,lol. sorry bro had to.
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that said i think it will be very good rwhp wise considering those numbers |
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Sorry, as a Mustang owner I feel obligated to point out the fact that Ford still has the factory top dog amongst the big three. I really wish Chevy would just flat out tell us if there's going to be a Z/28 or whatnot, I'm getting impatient with all this "could be/might be" stuff. |
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they own the big dog from the factory. That being said. modded car threads are worthless so Ford still gets big dog kudos. But if you think the SS wont spank the GT500 after 3k worth of mods, none of which include a supercharger, than your in lala land. 520 hp 3800lbs vs. 500hp 3950lbs That being said. Modded car threads are worthless. Ford still has the big dog here, so kudos to them. |
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thanks for the correction in my termanology. its been a long day. lol. and i dont think we'll get the whp numbers until were darn close to being able to buy the car, or somebody gets it and tests it. we'll just have to wait. for an example, my cousins 74 Nova blown 327, 110 octane fuel, gets 400 whp. |
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Having IRS all around, the base SS Camaro around a twisty/curvy track should be able to keep up with the base GT500 mustang. In a straight line, that is another story.
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we don't know what sort of numbers the Camaro will put to the wheels. The Corvette has a very efficient driveline so losses are in the 10%-13% range. We shouldn't expect the Camaro to do as well as the Corvette, nice if it does though.
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The GT500 also costs $15k-20k more than what the SS will :wave:
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Calm down bro.
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Let's cut him some slack.
He didn't quote misinformation about dyno' numbers as he referenced the 'Vette. Also, 'Father has said pricing will be close to Mustang and maybe a touch higher, so he's not far off there either. Please, let's not forget SS makes 422 bhp, not at the tire, as you pointed out. He's new so give him some time to catch up. Thanks :) |
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Unlikely, but awesome. I'd price the SS starting at high 20's if I were a betting man. |
I don't see high-$20Ks out of the question yet, but this car is going to carry a premium over Mustang, Lutz has already said that. How much? Noone knows for sure yet - 'Father's hinted at not a whole lot but things can change. I believe we're getting confirmation around the beginning of the year.
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What scares me, is that a lot of the standard equipment (I think, and correct me if I'm wrong) that is coming on the SS, like the upgraded FE3 suspension, Brembo brakes, better wheels and tires, are similar features that are available on the SS, are not available on the Mustang, or Challenger mid level segment vehicles (GT & R/T). Those types of features come in their top level vehicles the GT500 priced @42k, and the SRT-8 priced @41k. And the SS power wise comes really close to the two.
So GM stating that the Camaro will be "competitively priced" could mean alot of things. And seeing that the GTO, which I see a lot of things with the Camaro that parallel to it, wasn't even priced under 30k... Just scares me I guess. But I'm just going to remain hopeful until official pricing gets released like everyone else here is. |
[QUOTE=DGthe3;131811]we don't know what sort of numbers the Camaro will put to the wheels. The Corvette has a very efficient driveline so losses are in the 10%-13% range. We shouldn't expect the Camaro to do as well as the Corvette, nice if it does though.
Not trying to argue, but I don't really believe driveline losses can be any different from two vehicles with the same transmission and same basic setup...Where would the additional losses come from? I would believe the corvette has a slightly better exhaust setup (don't really know, just guessing) that might give it that extra 8 hp over the camaro, or perhaps a slightly different factory tune, which should show roughly the same 8 hp difference at the rear wheels. Chassis dyno numbers can be very difficult to compare and driveline losses are calculated by assuming the flywheel hp given by the manufacturer is accurate. A ton of other variables come into play that make calculating drivetrain losses somewhat unreliable. I am no expert on dyno testing but I just don't see where the difference would come from when comparing the corvette and camaro. |
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IMVHO - two different cars with the same engine will just dyno differently. |
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at least i hope it does, eventually :x |
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I can't argue with you there, all of those factors definitely come into play, it is just that you hear about these variables but you never really see them quantified. I think when you start adding all the variables you really just end up needing a baseline run before and after mods on the same dyno to come up with any meaningful numbers anyway. Comparing numbers from different dyno's and different cars, (even the same cars) has to be done carefully because the absolute hp number is not as useful as the change in the number. |
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weren't the HP numbers on the 4th gen UNDER rated? ,it may be the same with the 5th gen as well.
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well if low 30's was called 'expensive' then i think its more than just possible, i think its LIKELY that we see the SS MSRP in the high 20's. :thumbup: |
I was told by a person who works with the show and display folks at GM about 6 months ago during a show, that the production convertible was stunning in person. He also said that the high horsepower version of the camaro would be coming out a little after the launch of the convertible and that the power level was about 525 hp. He also said that due to the pending cafe changes that these high powered cars would not be offered for a very long production run. This guy seemed to be a reliable source especially when he said that he had sat in on a meeting about the camaro. He also told me about the billet gas cap being offered way before it was released by gm or shown in print anywhere.
I'am not saying it is fact, but just that it could still be possible. If gm offered a lsa 6.2 thru gmg or slp, would this be counted under gm's cafe or be counted as a aftermarket tuner exemption or something? Anyone know how this would work? |
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