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Merc 06-10-2013 03:51 PM

1LE Fast List
 
There is now an Official 1LE fast list for Bone Stock and Bolt On's No internals. 1LE Guy's and Gal's you can start posting your time slips. Refer to page 1 of the Fast List threads for the rules of the road to post your time slips. Corrected and 1/8 mile on the way.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21013

:thumbsup:

Dropspeed 06-10-2013 03:53 PM

Was this because of my post today? :)

And thank you as I thought about asking but saw that you already have 9 lists to manage!

Merc 06-10-2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dropspeed (Post 6653283)
Was this because of my post today? :)

And thank you as I thought about asking but saw that you already have 9 lists to manage!

Yes and no, but it was on my to do list. Post your slip in the Un-official Thread as well if want and I'll correct it and start a list there as well.

:thumbsup:

WongBob 06-11-2013 05:52 PM

Thank you. Now I have a reason to take my car to the track.

Dropspeed 06-12-2013 09:04 AM

I see the list is up and running.....Lets see those time slips

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ight=Fast+List

Matt

Southern Comfort 06-12-2013 09:12 AM

Dang Matt - you got the slowest one on the list today!

Dropspeed 06-12-2013 09:25 AM

I know, slowest, fastest and only one right now. Its a Trifecta!

davidcroft 06-12-2013 10:12 PM

take a road course car to the drag strip? I've already seen a rear diff blown up because of this!:facepalm:

ok maybe it was driver error:D

edit: and just to clarify....it wasn't mine.

Dropspeed 06-12-2013 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidcroft (Post 6663704)
take a road course car to the drag strip? I've already seen a rear diff blown up because of this!:facepalm:

ok maybe it was driver error:D

edit: and just to clarify....it wasn't mine.

It's just a car that was originally a straight line car.

And I did take it to the road course first before the drag strip.

If I pay for it I want to enjoy it...... If it breaks, that is what the warranty is for

:) Matt

Quick 06-13-2013 03:20 PM

I was considering trading for a 1le.I thought with the bigger,stickier tires and the light weight wheels along with the 3.91 gears it would be faster than 12.99.Maybe I'll
wait till a few more post their times.

Dropspeed 06-13-2013 03:52 PM

I dont expect to see many faster times stock. The 3.91 gears are offset by the revised gearing in the trans making it the same overall as an SS with the 3.45.

The tires are not as sticky as I would have expected. Track prep was poor, and they are awesome in a steady state corner but don't appear to like the shock of a drag launch and then spin.

I wounlt buy it if you are looking for a drag car only, but looking at your Dyno numbers in your sig the 13s seem to be putting out higher numbers stock.

Matt

Dropspeed 06-13-2013 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Synner (Post 6642357)
MM6 w/ 3.91
1st gear ratio: 2.66 10.42
2nd gear ratio: 1.78 6.97
3rd gear ratio: 1.30 5.09
4th gear ratio: 1.00 3.91
5th gear ratio: 0.74 2.90
6th gear ratio: 0.50 1.96

M10 w/ 3.45 w/ 3.91
1st gear ratio: 3.01 10.38 11.77
2nd gear ratio: 2.07 7.14 8.09
3rd gear ratio: 1.43 4.93 5.59
4th gear ratio: 1.00 3.45 3.91
5th gear ratio: 0.84 2.90 3.28
6th gear ratio: 0.57 1.97 2.23

Here the 1LE ratio vs the SS. The SS (non 1LE) is actual geared better for drag racing. First and second are better. And 3rd requires a shift into 4th on the 1LE

Southern Comfort 06-13-2013 04:12 PM

Add 100 ponies and that might work out just fine.

Quick 06-13-2013 04:19 PM

I wounlt buy it if you are looking for a drag car only, but looking at your Dyno numbers in your sig the 13s seem to be putting out higher numbers stock.

Matt[/QUOTE]

This is what has me confused...with my simple mods my car runs 12.40's
with 1.8 60' times on stock p-zeros.

Southern Comfort 06-13-2013 04:51 PM

What's confusing?

Dropspeed 06-13-2013 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quick (Post 6666637)

This is what has me confused...with my simple mods my car runs 12.40's
with 1.8 60' times on stock p-zeros.

I am guessing your Dyno numbers are relatively low and your car would put out more power on a different Dyno. The mods you have listed should put you over 400whp on"most" Dyno.

Since we don't race Dyno it neither here nor there. What did your car run bone stock? If you look at the stock V8 6spd list I would have fallen in 15th spot overall. With the extra shift am happy with how it stacks up.

I most likely will tru to run it once more at a better track (Milan) and compare numbers. My car will be dynoed on next Thursday on an MD (mustang) chassis Dyno so we can compare those numbers too.

-Matt

Quick 06-13-2013 05:18 PM

ummm, maybe because the 1le is putting out more horse power stock than my
slightly modded SS. but my SS runs 12.4's and his 1le runs 12.9's.

Southern Comfort 06-13-2013 05:27 PM

Okay - so you're comparing the peak dyno numbers too. Seems to be a ton of debate swirling around how to compare dyno numbers.
Just out of curiosity, how many passes did it take you to crack into the 12s in stock form?

Quick 06-13-2013 05:39 PM

I never did run 12's in stock form.My best was a 13.3 but that was in 90 degree
heat.I never ran my car stock in cold air. Could it have picked up three tenths? maybe.
I also ran my car then with 36 psi in the tires and was cutting 2.xx 60' times.

But this isn't about "my car is faster than your car" I just thought the 1le with all the goodies would be faster than 12.9's and maybe it will be.Thats why I said I would wait and see what others post up.

Drop...please post your dyno #'s when you get them.

Southern Comfort 06-14-2013 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quick (Post 6666903)
I never did run 12's in stock form.My best was a 13.3 but that was in 90 degree
heat.I never ran my car stock in cold air. Could it have picked up three tenths? maybe.
I also ran my car then with 36 psi in the tires and was cutting 2.xx 60' times.

But this isn't about "my car is faster than your car" I just thought the 1le with all the goodies would be faster than 12.9's and maybe it will be.Thats why I said I would wait and see what others post up.

Drop...please post your dyno #'s when you get them.

Yep we need more passes. One car, 8 passes at one track is hardly definitive.
I suspect times will improve as he gets more seat time.

Merc 06-18-2013 12:25 AM

Come on Guy's the 1LE has to be as fast as the SS M6.

:thumb:

dixonk 09-19-2013 09:30 PM

Just ran mine last night. Best time was a 13.545 with a DA of 1900. First time at the track in years. Bone Stock.

Fraxum 10-08-2013 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dixonk (Post 7019160)
Just ran mine last night. Best time was a 13.545 with a DA of 1900. First time at the track in years. Bone Stock.

Not bad! Keep trying and let us know how it goes. Lots of advice around here, but the best advice I got was more seat time.

Meltdownaverted 10-08-2013 07:18 PM

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Mines been consistently faster then my 2011 SS, by about .3 that being said I need to take a trip to somewhere closer to sea level my 4000+ DA most runs makes me look slow :(

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Meltdownaverted 10-08-2013 07:26 PM

psst! any of you guys want to post in the unofficial list that corrects for DA.....kinda lonely all by myself.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52264

dixonk 10-08-2013 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fraxum (Post 7075822)
Not bad! Keep trying and let us know how it goes. Lots of advice around here, but the best advice I got was more seat time.

That was awful that night. Traction was a major problem. Plus if you look at the MPH on that pass is low. It was my first run and I didn't shift to 4th and hit fuel cutoff right before the traps. The rest of the night didn't get any better as far as ET goes. I am going back on the 23rd for a redo.

Dropspeed 10-08-2013 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Meltdownaverted (Post 7075927)
psst! any of you guys want to post in the unofficial list that corrects for DA.....kinda lonely all by myself.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52264

This is the first forum I have been to out of a dozen plus automotive and motorcycle forums that uses DA. I completely understand it, but magazines, manufacturers nor any drag association that I know of use DA.

With that being said. Here is mine when it was 100% stock

DA Corrected time for Stock and Mildly Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
12.656 @ 112.982 MPH

dixonk 10-08-2013 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dropspeed (Post 7075986)
This is the first forum I have been to out of a dozen plus automotive and motorcycle forums that uses DA. I completely understand it, but magazines, manufacturers nor any drag association that I know of use DA.

With that being said. Here is mine when it was 100% stock

Stock and Mildly Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
12.656 @ 112.982 MPH

12.656 out of a stock 1LE :bow: You sir can drive the shit out of that car! I was watching ZL1s run 12.6s at our track last month.

Meltdownaverted 10-08-2013 09:58 PM

1LE Fast List
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dropspeed (Post 7075986)
This is the first forum I have been to out of a dozen plus automotive and motorcycle forums that uses DA. I completely understand it, but magazines, manufacturers nor any drag association that I know of use DA.

With that being said. Here is mine when it was 100% stock

Stock and Mildly Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
12.656 @ 112.982 MPH

No most don't use DA but as someone who lives nowhere near sea level and constantly races in plus 4000DA I couldn't understand why I was getting nowhere near the times I see posted here all the time when my 60 was the same or better. So until I take a 12.5 hour drive to the closest racetrack that's near sea level I guess I will just have to be happy with the 12.515 at 115.28 MPH that drag times corrects my run to.
Oh and that's on street tires

Fraxum 10-09-2013 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meltdownaverted (Post 7076542)
No most don't use DA but as someone who lives nowhere near sea level and constantly races in plus 4000DA I couldn't understand why I was getting nowhere near the times I see posted here all the time when my 60 was the same or better.

DA correction is just for fun, but it does help you figure out if you are doing better or worse at the track each time you go. But there are other factors too when comparing like modded or not modded cars such as weight of the driver, what's in the car at the time of the run, how much gas, and the cars weight difference to start with. From the weights I have seen posted a base 1SS no option 1LE is about 100 pounds lighter than a loaded 2SS with a sunroof. Maybe someone else has more exact figures.

The 60' is the most important aspect of the run but then there is the shift points and speed of the shift. I ran about 75+ runs trying to get my stock 1LE into the 12s with lots of low 2.1 60's. The closest I could get was 13.2. I gave up and finally just went full bolt on minus a tune with DRs. But the chase was fun.

Oh, and every Challenger owner at the track says the Goodyears are awful tires for a good 60'. The regular SS Pirellis are much better. In my '11 SS I was able to get a few 1.9s with them.

Dropspeed 10-09-2013 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dixonk (Post 7076064)
12.656 out of a stock 1LE :bow: You sir can drive the shit out of that car! I was watching ZL1s run 12.6s at our track last month.


That was the DA Corrected Time I was showing.....

Real time was a 12.991 @ 880 ft above sea level...

I clarified my post above.

-Matt


Quote:

Originally Posted by Meltdownaverted (Post 7076542)
No most don't use DA but as someone who lives nowhere near sea level and constantly races in plus 4000DA I couldn't understand why I was getting nowhere near the times I see posted here all the time when my 60 was the same or better. So until I take a 12.5 hour drive to the closest racetrack that's near sea level I guess I will just have to be happy with the 12.515 at 115.28 MPH that drag times corrects my run to.
Oh and that's on street tires

Simple, you have bad air and at a higher elevation than most. Like a dyno, you should be more concerned with your improvements over the last run

Experienced drag racers know when to run the cars and when not to. If someone in Michigan wants hero run numbers we have to run in the spring or fall when the air is better. We can can also wait for evening test and tune.....But too cool and the track gets slicks. It is a balance. as it is cool and October here I am going back to the track one more time for some "hero" runs as the 12.991 was in the middle of the summer with a brand new car that wasn't broken in yet.

Meltdownaverted 10-09-2013 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dropspeed (Post 7077590)
That was the DA Corrected Time I was showing.....

Real time was a 12.991 @ 880 ft above sea level...

I clarified my post above.

-Matt




Simple, you have bad air and at a higher elevation than most. Like a dyno, you should be more concerned with your improvements over the last run

Experienced drag racers know when to run the cars and when not to. If someone in Michigan wants hero run numbers we have to run in the spring or fall when the air is better. We can can also wait for evening test and tune.....But too cool and the track gets slicks. It is a balance. as it is cool and October here I am going back to the track one more time for some "hero" runs as the 12.991 was in the middle of the summer with a brand new car that wasn't broken in yet.



Unfortunately even experienced drivers have no choice but to run in 4000+ DA here as that is simply all there is. When track elevation is above 4000 ft there is only so much you can do. Either get used to running at high elevation or simply not race. Its easy to say wait for cooler air. That run was taken on a night with good DA here 4679ft I have spent many entire weekends where we never get below 6000DA
I am quite happy with my consistent improvements over the last 3 years but I suppose a 12.5 hour trip is in order to make some "HERO" runs and see how I truly stack up against other 1LE's

Dropspeed 10-09-2013 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meltdownaverted (Post 7078291)
Unfortunately even experienced drivers have no choice but to run in 4000+ DA here as that is simply all there is. When track elevation is above 4000 ft there is only so much you can do. Either get used to running at high elevation or simply not race. Its easy to say wait for cooler air. That run was taken on a night with good DA here 4679ft I have spent many entire weekends where we never get below 6000DA
I am quite happy with my consistent improvements over the last 3 years but I suppose a 12.5 hour trip is in order to make some "HERO" runs and see how I truly stack up against other 1LE's

I think that came off wrong. I was just saying I wont run my car in the summer at the strip as I know it will post slower times and I don't want to bother with abusing the car just for some passes.

Yes, your altitude and DA are awful, If you are constantly improving I would be impressed/happy with that and not worry about comparing it to others on here.

Yes! a trip to Mission or Firebird (assuming both are about 12 hours from you) and you would see numbers you want to from the car.......I think Montana has a couple of drag strip that would be closer in the 6ish hour range from you...

-Matt

Bryan1LE 10-21-2013 07:50 AM

Finally ran a 12 with my 1LE
 
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I picked up my 1LE in May, and have been loving every minute of it! It's been to two road courses, several autocrosses, and 22 1/4 mile passes.
I've been steadily improving my 1/4 mile times with practice, figuring out tire pressures, and getting better air. A week ago I got down to a 13.07 at MCIR in LaRue, OH, and yesterday I gave it one last shot to break into the 12's while it's still stock.
I went to National Trail Raceway near Columbus, OH and the conditions were great... 60deg, sunny, tailwind, sticky track. Ran a 12.858 @ 112!
I'm not sure what others are finding, but I've been down, up, and in-between with rear tire pressures (20-35psi), and got my best 60' and ET's with 34-35psi. Dropping pressures just seemed to make it wheel hop more and run slower on the big end. Also, I'm walking it out of the hole from about 2500rpm, shifting a little easy into 2nd to avoid wheel spin and bog (which I've been told is the torque management) and then powershifting 3rd and 4th.
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Fraxum 10-21-2013 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan1LE (Post 7111532)
I picked up my 1LE in May, and have been loving every minute of it! It's been to two road courses, several autocrosses, and 22 1/4 mile passes.
I've been steadily improving my 1/4 mile times with practice, figuring out tire pressures, and getting better air. A week ago I got down to a 13.07 at MCIR in LaRue, OH, and yesterday I gave it one last shot to break into the 12's while it's still stock.
I went to National Trail Raceway near Columbus, OH and the conditions were great... 60deg, sunny, tailwind, sticky track. Ran a 12.858 @ 112!
I'm not sure what others are finding, but I've been down, up, and in-between with rear tire pressures (20-35psi), and got my best 60' and ET's with 34-35psi. Dropping pressures just seemed to make it wheel hop more and run slower on the big end. Also, I'm walking it out of the hole from about 2500rpm, shifting a little easy into 2nd to avoid wheel spin and bog (which I've been told is the torque management) and then powershifting 3rd and 4th.
Attachment 567312

Nice run! You just posted the fastest stock 1LE time so far. You would be #1 on the 1LE fast list if you want to post. You would also be #1 on the modified 1LE fast list. I needed DRs and a CAI to run as fast as you. Also that 112 trap speed is the highest I have see anywhere for stock non-ZL1 Camaros and I think the best 60' on the Goodyears. :bow:

With LTs and no tune I am at 12.42@114 But I know there is more. I was not aware of that easing into second trick. I will have to try that. With TC off I get all three shifts to bark, I wonder if that is hurting my times?

Novie LE 10-21-2013 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan1LE (Post 7111532)
I picked up my 1LE in May, and have been loving every minute of it! It's been to two road courses, several autocrosses, and 22 1/4 mile passes.
I've been steadily improving my 1/4 mile times with practice, figuring out tire pressures, and getting better air. A week ago I got down to a 13.07 at MCIR in LaRue, OH, and yesterday I gave it one last shot to break into the 12's while it's still stock.
I went to National Trail Raceway near Columbus, OH and the conditions were great... 60deg, sunny, tailwind, sticky track. Ran a 12.858 @ 112!
I'm not sure what others are finding, but I've been down, up, and in-between with rear tire pressures (20-35psi), and got my best 60' and ET's with 34-35psi. Dropping pressures just seemed to make it wheel hop more and run slower on the big end. Also, I'm walking it out of the hole from about 2500rpm, shifting a little easy into 2nd to avoid wheel spin and bog (which I've been told is the torque management) and then powershifting 3rd and 4th.
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Nice, that trap speed is what I expected out of a 1le.

Bryan1LE 10-21-2013 08:26 AM

Thanks! The tailwind was helping, the fastest I had run anywhere else was 109.9. Yesterday was also the first time that I tried powershifting 3rd and 4th. It actually seemed to be less abusive for driveline shock than a fast "normal" shift.
Early on I found that if I shifted hard into 2nd my car would either spin the tires and then bog for a split second, or just bog before taking off again (this is with traction control off). So I started shifting a little easier into 2nd and then it doesn't do that.

Novie LE 10-21-2013 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan1LE (Post 7111572)
Thanks! The tailwind was helping, the fastest I had run anywhere else was 109.9. Yesterday was also the first time that I tried powershifting 3rd and 4th. It actually seemed to be less abusive for driveline shock than a fast "normal" shift.
Early on I found that if I shifted hard into 2nd my car would either spin the tires and then bog for a split second, or just bog before taking off again (this is with traction control off). So I started shifting a little easier into 2nd and then it doesn't do that.

When you say traction control off do you mean just a press of the button, double press, or the full 7 second press?

Bryan1LE 10-21-2013 09:52 AM

I've run it with all 3, but yesterday was just doing single push, TC off. I don't think it makes a difference for straight line unless you're trying to use launch control, and perhaps it's not a bad idea to have the stability control on, just in case. For road course or auto-x, full 7 second push every time (although Comp mode in the wet at Mid Ohio was pretty good).

Dropspeed 10-21-2013 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan1LE (Post 7111532)
I
I went to National Trail Raceway near Columbus, OH and the conditions were great... 60deg, sunny, tailwind, sticky track. Ran a 12.858 @ 112!

Very Nice!

....Now you are gonna make me install the stock intake and some 285s on back so I can go back to the track stock to try and reclaim my spot :)

Matt


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