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ssmike 09-24-2009 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Croathlete (Post 965127)
Anyone hear from New Era? Would like to see their OTR intake as well.

New Era told me they weren't interested cause it seemed biased at the time (about 4 weeks ago). Maybe they would be interested now. Could someone contact them? I would but I returned my intake because of drivabilty issue so he probably won't return my PM!

Mzodarg 09-24-2009 08:39 PM

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wrenching and Harley go in the same sentence, torque and top end should only be used in the same sentence if the word WISH is included!
Evidently you don't know much about 119 HP and 121 TQ out of 2 cylinders. The way I do math, that's 59.5hp per cyl 476 HP over 8 cylinders. Just my experience, and my world for many years.

Croathlete 09-24-2009 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ssmike (Post 965224)
New Era told me they weren't interested cause it seemed biased at the time (about 4 weeks ago). Maybe they would be interested now. Could someone contact them? I would but I returned my intake because of drivabilty issue so he probably won't return my PM!

What kind of drivability issue were you experiencing?

Mod4SS 09-24-2009 09:43 PM

:bump:

mr_desmo 09-24-2009 09:47 PM

there cant be more then 5 hp difference on a stock ride...impossible

ADM PERFORMANCE 09-24-2009 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING (Post 963959)
So far I have only recieved 1 system, ASA I get all the kits here.


:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Andy

ilovemytdi 09-24-2009 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Croathlete (Post 959571)
Vararam better get in on this test...



Come on Vararam....get on board!!:paddle:

ilovemytdi 09-24-2009 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc (Post 959676)
Yeah seriously. Actually I have an idea. Whoever's product wins this test, I say they should sell those to Ted at wholesale and we all buy them from him so he gets something out of this.


Wouldnt it be better for everyone to send him a paypal donation of some sort?

We want complete unbiased testing...nothing for him to gain by picking one vendor over another....just let the results speak..........:iono:

thanks for the testing!!!!

Andro 09-24-2009 10:58 PM

:popcorn:

Laforce 09-25-2009 04:37 AM

I PM'd(yesterday) New Era as well as Vararam and made them aware of this post. Those are the two i would most like to see and would be the ones i would probly want on my car, if only they would send theirs in.

ssmike 09-25-2009 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Croathlete (Post 965777)
What kind of drivability issue were you experiencing?

Steady speed, light throttle (30-45 mph) engine bucking especially going downhill. I know at least 6 others with the same problem when using New Era. I also know many that don't seem to have any problem at all! The acceleration was definatly better but trying to cruise at a steady speed was annoying. Chevy dealer couldn't find anything wrong with stock intake installed. I was told that this is due to TOO MUCH air at light or no throttle steady speed and the ECM trying to compensate for it.

Davis 09-25-2009 08:19 AM

Not to muddy the waters here but..

I'm not sure the dyno test is a far gauge for a "Ram Air" system.
You may only see a 1-2 HP on the dyno when in a real world scenario you really get 15.

If I were one of the "Ram Air" manufacturers I would be hesitant as well.
Some under/uninformed buyer sees this test and makes a bad decision.

For the other "CAI" systems I think this test should prove very helpful.

Just my $.02

JANNETTYRACING 09-25-2009 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Davis (Post 967008)
Not to muddy the waters here but..

I'm not sure the dyno test is a far gauge for a "Ram Air" system.
You may only see a 1-2 HP on the dyno when in a real world scenario you really get 15.

If I were one of the "Ram Air" manufacturers I would be hesitant as well.
Some under/uninformed buyer sees this test and makes a bad decision.

For the other "CAI" systems I think this test should prove very helpful.

Just my $.02

You would be Right if Ram Air were Real, Ram Air Is a Myth.

Davis 09-25-2009 10:07 AM

Ted I'll defer to your experience as you surely have more than I.

However it seems common sense that systems like New Era and Vararam are going to see much better results @ speed, going down the road/track.

No?

Merc 09-25-2009 10:21 AM

Henessey's CAI
 
Henessey's silence is certianly speaking volumes right now.:paddle:

JANNETTYRACING 09-25-2009 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Davis (Post 967419)
Ted I'll defer to your experience as you surely have more than I.

However it seems common sense that systems like New Era and Vararam are going to see much better results @ speed, going down the road/track.

No?

Google Ram air Myth.

I have 60 MPH winds in my Dyno that simulates on road conditions.

Ted.

rodimus prime 09-25-2009 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mercuryman96 (Post 967469)
Henessey's silence is certianly speaking volumes right now.:paddle:

Along with New Era and Vararam...two companies that tooted the OTR was so much better. Wonder where they are?

Doc 09-25-2009 11:09 AM

Hennesey's already been beaten; I don't think he wants to throw himself under the bus here in such a high visibility thread. New Era's seems to have issues and if Ted's testing reveals that "officially" that would kill their sales so I'm sure they don't want to risk that. Vara may not have a production final quality piece ready yet. Vara's is the one I'd most like to see tested here too lol.

ORANGE U NV 09-25-2009 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rodimus prime (Post 967495)
Along with New Era and Vararam...two companies that tooted the OTR was so much better. Wonder where they are?

:word: "shut up or put up" Show me so numbers on a stock car.....not one w/ a bunch of mods. We want to know what "your" CAI can do.:popcorn:
Thanks again for doing this Ted!:clap:

2SSRS@Gen5diy 09-25-2009 12:04 PM

I now you don't think so but you can not do a back to back test on this car, As the minute you go from CAI to OEM box it makes the AFR go to lean and you get a higher HP #, It drives like you put a big cam in the car and takes a good 100 mi to came back so if you don't tune it it runs like hell. As for Vararam, Thay do not have a production final quality piece ready yet, As so many of you are saying that the look of this unit and that unit is so good there beta units are not for you to see next to a production unit.

Verio 09-25-2009 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS (Post 967869)
I now you don't think so but you can not do a back to back test on this car, As the minute you go from CAI to OEM box it makes the AFR go to lean and you get a higher HP #, It drives like you put a big cam in the car and takes a good 100 mi to came back so if you don't tune it it runs like hell. As for Vararam, Thay do not have a production final quality piece ready yet, As so many of you are saying that the look of this unit and that unit is so good there beta units are not for you to see next to a production unit.

So you've seen their production unit?

I understand supporting them beacuse you are a tester of their unit, but how can you make claims about a product that no one has seen.

Also, if the car runs lean after switching units, then the car will be lean for all the tests, correct?

JANNETTYRACING 09-25-2009 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS (Post 967869)
I now you don't think so but you can not do a back to back test on this car, As the minute you go from CAI to OEM box it makes the AFR go to lean and you get a higher HP #, It drives like you put a big cam in the car and takes a good 100 mi to came back so if you don't tune it it runs like hell. As for Vararam, Thay do not have a production final quality piece ready yet, As so many of you are saying that the look of this unit and that unit is so good there beta units are not for you to see next to a production unit.

I don't know if your refering to me or not, if so, I don't see how, you Know, what I am thinking.

I am well aware of how the whole system works, I am very familiar with GM computer strategy.

I do have a plan on how to make this completely Fair, and will be reporting my findings.

If anyone does not want to participate, that is fine, consumers will draw they're own conclusions.

rodimus prime 09-25-2009 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Verio (Post 968104)
So you've seen their production unit?

I understand supporting them beacuse you are a tester of their unit, but how can you make claims about a product that no one has seen.

Also, if the car runs lean after switching units, then the car will be lean for all the tests, correct?

My car ran pig rich with the stock airbox. The Roto-fab almost made the tune perfect. I hardley picked up anything with the tune after the roto-fab install.


I think they tuned these motors in a controlled envorment with different or no intakes on them. There is no logical explination as to why a factory tune would be that rich and run normal after a CAI swap.

2SSRS@Gen5diy 09-25-2009 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Verio (Post 968104)
So you've seen their production unit?

I understand supporting them beacuse you are a tester of their unit, but how can you make claims about a product that no one has seen.

Also, if the car runs lean after switching units, then the car will be lean for all the tests, correct?

So on one test it will give you a HP # that is not right and on the other unit it will give you a number that is high or lower that is what i said, And as for no one seeing this unit ther was 60 ppl at the SOCAL meet last month and maybe 40 more at LV meet that i go to now and then and all the ppl that look at my sig, You know the one that chevy high performance got of my car at that meet in Socal

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING (Post 968188)
I don't know if your refering to me or not, if so, I don't see how, you Know, what I am thinking.

I am well aware of how the whole system works, I am very familiar with GM computer stradegy.

I do have a plan on how to make this completely Fair, and will be reporting my findings.

If anyone does not want to participate, that is fine, consumers will draw they're own conclusions.

I am not saying that, But how are you doing this test that all units have the same start on a OEM car, As you know if you lower the air pressure on the tires you lose HP if you over fill the tires you get more HP, So can we know how this test is to be done.

CGM2SSRS 09-25-2009 02:11 PM

Not that Ted needs anyone to substantiate his accomplishments of obtaining reliable speed, but I will say it's not likely someone is going to spring a technological surprise on him. He's been doin this shit longer then a lot of y'all been part of this thing called humanity. lol......No disrespect to anyone. Facts is facts.


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