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10redrocket 01-20-2012 08:51 PM

I didn't see which tires the Mustang was running so I'm not sure if the comparison was fair.
However the ZL1 comes with Ultra-High Performance tires (Eagle F1 Supercar G2's) meant for summer. The hotter the environment the better the traction will be. I can't remember where I read this but here it is, these tires are not supposed to be used in temps below 50 degrees and should never be stored at temps less than 20 degrees. Not sure why but I'm guessing that at such a low temp the structure/chem makeup of the tire is altered.

For you SS guys with the Perrelis. Have you noticed that the cooler the pavement the worse your traction is?

Also, this type of tire absolutely sucks at the strip, even on a hot day.

Let the temperature debate begin, LOL!

b4z 01-21-2012 10:21 AM

You guys need to get the January 23, 2012. Autoweek. One of the comments in there
Was that randy Pobst who drove both the zl1 and Laguna seca for motor trend was not as fast in the zl1 as Aaron Link, GMs engineer/test driver.Aaron link was the guy who drove the nurburgring lap.

Mr. Wyndham 01-21-2012 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10redrocket (Post 4352652)
I didn't see which tires the Mustang was running so I'm not sure if the comparison was fair.
However the ZL1 comes with Ultra-High Performance tires (Eagle F1 Supercar G2's) meant for summer. The hotter the environment the better the traction will be. I can't remember where I read this but here it is, these tires are not supposed to be used in temps below 50 degrees and should never be stored at temps less than 20 degrees. Not sure why but I'm guessing that at such a low temp the structure/chem makeup of the tire is altered.

For you SS guys with the Perrelis. Have you noticed that the cooler the pavement the worse your traction is?

Also, this type of tire absolutely sucks at the strip, even on a hot day.

Let the temperature debate begin, LOL!

What is...fair?

I'd consider factory-spec "fair" when considering these sorts of reviews. No need to search for details and try to invalidate the comparison.

I've always held that these articles were for entertainment value-only. This is no different. It just so happens the ZL1 came out on top in many of them. Good to see for a change.

Thanks for posting these, guys -- and thanks for adding them to the homepage Tran, was able to catch them at work! Made my day!! :D

BigHemiSrt 01-22-2012 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bolt-onC6 (Post 4348651)
Without tuning there is most likely no way it will get a 1.5 60' time. GM will have engineered too much torque management to launch that good.

Hmm...that sucks. I was thinkin with the roots and all that instant TQ it woulda been able to pull it off with some drag radials or slicks.

htron50 01-22-2012 06:20 PM

Magazine Recap of key facts relating to speed.
 
Car and Driver Mag

Curb weight: 4120 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS:

Zero to 60 mph: 4.1 sec

Zero to 100 mph: 8.9 sec

Zero to 130 mph: 14.7 sec

Street start, 5–60 mph: 4.6 sec

Top gear, 30–50 mph: 7.8 sec

Top gear, 50–70 mph: 6.7 sec

Standing ¼-mile: 12.3 sec @ 119 mph

Top speed (drag ltd, mfr's claim): 180 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 165 ft
Roadholding, 250-ft-dia skidpad: 0.98 g

Motor Trend Mag
ZL1 Boss 302
Curb Weight 4051 lb 3638 lb
TEST DATA
ACCELERATION TO MPH
ZL1 / Boss
0-30 1.6 / 1.7 sec
0-40 2.2 / 2.3
0-50 2.9 / 3.1
0-60 3.8 / 4.0
0-70 4.8 / 5.1
0-80 6.0 / 6.4
0-90 7.3 / 7.9
0-100 8.7 / 9.5
PASSING, 45-65 MPH 1.7 1.7
ZL1 / Boss
QUARTER MILE 12.1 sec @ 117.4 mph / 12.4 sec @ 113.9 mph
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 108 ft 112 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION 1.00 g (avg) 1.01 g (avg)
2.2-MI ROAD COURSE LAP 01:41.3 01:43.7
TOP-GEAR REVS @ 60 MPH 1700 rpm 1950 rpm


Autoweek Mag
CURB WT: 4120 lb.
0-60 MPH 3.9 sec (auto), 4.0 sec (manual)
1/4 Mile 12.0 (auto), 12.1 (manual)


AUTOMOBILE Mag
Weight 4084 lb..
0-60 4.3
0-100 9.5
1/4 mi. 12.6 @ 116 mph

ZL1NC 01-22-2012 08:12 PM

Interesting statement in Popular Mechanics:

Favorite Detail: In muscle cars, the automatic transmission is usually an afterthought. But the ZL1's six-speed auto slushbox is joyously effective. The manual mode—engaged via steering-wheel-mounted paddles—is responsive, and the automatic car is easier to launch. GM engineers claim that the automatic transmission makes for quicker quarter-mile runs, but in our testing, the manual was the better sprinter. The difference, however, was miniscule—the auto Camaro passed the quarter-mile in 12.58 seconds, while the manual car did it in 12.57.
Not that it really matters because I think we all will enjoy our cars no matter what transmission they are equipped with but some of our members have been caught up and gloating at the GM statement..

Read more: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Test Drive - Popular Mechanics

htron50 01-22-2012 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZL1NC (Post 4360722)
Interesting statement in Popular Mechanics:

Favorite Detail: In muscle cars, the automatic transmission is usually an afterthought. But the ZL1's six-speed auto slushbox is joyously effective. The manual mode—engaged via steering-wheel-mounted paddles—is responsive, and the automatic car is easier to launch. GM engineers claim that the automatic transmission makes for quicker quarter-mile runs, but in our testing, the manual was the better sprinter. The difference, however, was miniscule—the auto Camaro passed the quarter-mile in 12.58 seconds, while the manual car did it in 12.57.
Not that it really matters because I think we all will enjoy our cars no matter what transmission they are equipped with but some of our members have been caught up and gloating at the GM statement..

Read more: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Test Drive - Popular Mechanics

Thanks ZL1NC !!

Their times were kinda slow vs the first four reviews received. They did not say if they used launch control or not. Their times just seem like possibly the driver used was not familiar with the car enough to test it properly. Imagine, a whole HALF second behind the other four tests. At about 116 MPH how many car lengths would that be? 8-12? Sorry, but it just seems like something is askew.

Note this race from another thread. The Dodge is 1/2 second behind the Camaro and is about 20 cars behind. The Camaro turned an 11.9 vs 12.5 for the Dodge. Same Difference as in the best mag tests vs Popular Mechanics http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...0&postcount=83

b4z 01-23-2012 12:28 PM

Jalopnik review is up.

Update: it's been added to first post

IOMZL1 01-23-2012 01:56 PM

Motor Authority Review

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...l1-first-drive

Mr. Wyndham 01-23-2012 11:02 PM

That Motor Authority Review was...beautiful. :bow:

PYROLYSIS 01-24-2012 11:37 AM

They're teasing us with that black ZL1 on the lift pic.

notagoat 01-24-2012 12:16 PM

Autoblog review is up!

MJanowich 01-24-2012 02:00 PM

I just got done reading the Jalopnik review. It was decent. Just don't read the user comments at the end of the article. Jalopnik seems to be overrun by anti Camaro fanboys who like to hide behind the anonymity of the internet.

Wondering 01-25-2012 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radz28 (Post 4350194)
The tires on ZL1 are obviously not tailored directly for the strip. You can't have it both ways. There's no sidewall and some of the reported tests were nowhere near optimized for traction or even power.

Passing judgement this early is really premature.

Exactly.....

I still don't understand why they didn't shoe the ZL1 with the Michelin PS2's,like the ZR1.

Ah well,it's a simple fix for ~$1800.00

IOMZL1 01-25-2012 08:12 AM

http://life.nationalpost.com/2012/01...ercar-bargain/

PYROLYSIS 01-25-2012 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IOMZL1 (Post 4372815)

Thanks for posting. 0-96 kilometeres in 3.9 seconds!

Mr. Wyndham 01-25-2012 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wondering (Post 4372812)
Exactly.....

I still don't understand why they didn't shoe the ZL1 with the Michelin PS2's,like the ZR1.

Ah well,it's a simple fix for ~$1800.00

Leaves room for improvement? It would be a fantastic "track package" or something goofy like that....just in case Ford gets too close for comfort. :laugh:

The tires took a Z06 and made it nearly as fast as a ZR1...imagine what they could do on the Z Camaro. :bow:

EDIT: I was thinking Pilot Sport Cups. My mistake. :D

Modern07 01-25-2012 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IOMZL1 (Post 4372815)

That review has me excited more than I already was!

radz28 01-26-2012 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye (Post 4376654)
Leaves room for improvement? It would be a fantastic "track package" or something goofy like that....just in case Ford gets too close for comfort. :laugh:

The tires took a Z06 and made it nearly as fast as a ZR1...imagine what they could do on the Z Camaro. :bow:

EDIT: I was thinking Pilot Sport Cups. My mistake. :D

I'm curious to see what the PS2s do. I'm still left wondering why ZL1 is running good years, while the flagships in GM's fleet are off the floor with PS2... Maybe Michelin didn't want to cut a new tire for another car or something else, but I still have a feeling at least those Sport Cups might make their way onto ZL1. It would be silly not to, IMO. We know they work, so let's get on the ball :)

IOMZL1 01-26-2012 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radz28 (Post 4378161)
I'm curious to see what the PS2s do. I'm still left wondering why ZL1 is running good years, while the flagships in GM's fleet are off the floor with PS2... Maybe Michelin didn't want to cut a new tire for another car or something else, but I still have a feeling at least those Sport Cups might make their way onto ZL1. It would be silly not to, IMO. We know they work, so let's get on the ball :)

I think it is so they have a trick up their sleeve for if / when the GT500 catches up. It would be easy to offer that option for 2013 or beyond and go back to the ring for a better time.

Tran 01-26-2012 10:55 AM

First post updated with links to new reviews:

EVO
National Post

radz28 01-26-2012 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IOMZL1 (Post 4378232)
I think it is so they have a trick up their sleeve for if / when the GT500 catches up. It would be easy to offer that option for 2013 or beyond and go back to the ring for a better time.

I think you're bang-on right. I'd really like to see those, an LS9 cam, and about 10 psi with those tires and a sending-off in a few years. I think some low-7:30s at the 'Ring would be possible :) More power for the straights, some more stick to go in hotter in the corners - mmm mmm good :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tran (Post 4378460)
First post updated with links to new reviews:

EVO
National Post

:drool::drool::drool:

jbotta 01-26-2012 05:13 PM

phillips chevy says my zl1 starts production feb 20 does anyone no how long the zl1 takes to build

htron50 02-05-2012 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlee (Post 4334973)
117 and 119 trap speed is high 11's all day long...

Did you say 11.7 and 11.9 In th Qtr Mile?a

ZL1NC 02-05-2012 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbotta (Post 4380456)
phillips chevy says my zl1 starts production feb 20 does anyone no how long the zl1 takes to build

After watching the video taken at the plant, the statement for time to build a camaro was 18hrs start to finish.


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