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ssmike 04-04-2012 07:15 PM

Lost 3mm front and 6mm rear of drop after bush timing/alignment
 
I installed Pedders xa's over the winter and set the drop at 1 1/4" (32mm). The starting (OE) ride height was 686mm front and 698mm rear. The new ride height after installing the xa's was 654 front and 667 rear. I then drove the car to the alignment shop and they performed the Pedders recommended bush timing procedure and the aligned the car. When I got home it looked like the ride height was a little higher than before. I measured and sure enough the ride height came up by 3 mm front and 6mm rear. It now measures 657mm front and 673mm rear. Is this normal? If so, will it affect the alignment if I drop it the 3 and 6 to get it back to where the initial ride height was?

stso634 04-04-2012 07:53 PM

I don't know if this is normal, since I didn't measure my final ride height until after the alignment, but if you change the ride height, it will affect the alignment. Now, is 3mm and 6mm enough to make a noticable difference, I don't know. I suggest you call or PM JusticePete at Pedders. He will know for sure.

ssmike 04-04-2012 07:55 PM

Just sent him a pm

ssmike 04-06-2012 07:58 AM

Anyone else have an opinion here? Pete? Rob? Where are you guys? :iono: I'd like to make the adjustment today if it isn't going to affect my alignment. Thanks!

garcmol 04-06-2012 08:24 AM

Think of it like a lever. When you lower the car, the lower control arm in the rear moves up. The top of the tire moves inward of the fender. Now, you have the car aligned/timed. When they bring the camber back to account for the angle change, the top of the tire moves outward of the fender. Those little changes will affect the ride height.

If you now adjust the coilovers to get the measurements you had, you're moving the top of the tire inward again and changing the camber.

Same in the front. When the adjust your camber, they bring the top of the tire outward which does the same thing.

Hope that helps some and it happened to me as well.

ssmike 04-06-2012 08:37 AM

I kinda thought that was the case. I heard of others who had theirs timed and aligned and ended up lower. I guess it depends on where the camber ends up. I think another clue may be that I installed Coilovers and set the front clevis bolts all the way in , full negative camber. I also replaced the rear camber eccentrics and roughly set the camber.

The front cambers were -2.3L/-1.7R and the rears were -1.3L/-1.2R. So adjusting to near 0 rear and -.8 front would account for the change in ride height I guess. It's starting to make sense now!

Problem is, I would like the ride height lower. I wish I would have known this would happen so I would have set the initial ride height lower to compensate! I couldn't be there at the alignment shop to recheck the ride height so it is what it is I guess!

Thanks for your help. I'd still like to here from Pedders so I'll patiently await their reply!

garcmol 04-06-2012 08:49 AM

I hear you. Now, if you have the Pedders eccentric bolts in the rear you should be able to come down some more. But again, that'll affect your camber/toe.

ssmike 04-06-2012 08:56 AM

Right! That's my question, will I need to re-align if I come down another 6mm? My guess is yes but I don't know just how much 6mm will affect camber!

garcmol 04-06-2012 09:10 AM

Book answer will be get another alignment and time the bushings again.

I can tell you that I didn't get mine realigned after some changes I made and I smoked a pair of P Zeros on a trip to Florida.

Alignments are cheaper than P Zeros ;)

ssmike 04-06-2012 09:15 AM

Yea, you're right! I'll probably leave it the way it is for now. I may end up getting a set of caster eccentrics for the front to get the 8.0 setting up front, then I'll re-do!

Xedes 04-06-2012 09:20 AM

I lowered my previous car 1/2 inch without needing an alignment. I can't see 6mm throwing anything off enough to justify a new alignment.

sting808 04-06-2012 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ssmike (Post 4765347)
Yea, you're right! I'll probably leave it the way it is for now. I may end up getting a set of caster eccentrics for the front to get the 8.0 setting up front, then I'll re-do!

Caster will improve, but dont expect 8*. I got between 6-7*. Probably 1-2* improvement over what you have now. You may get lucky and reach 8.

JusticePete 04-17-2012 01:23 PM

Can you post your before and after alignment specs?

ssmike 04-17-2012 08:00 PM

I'll post them up tomorrow night! Thanks!


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