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MagnumForceGB 07-13-2013 03:56 PM

IPF Camaro V6 vs Procharger Mustang V6 (Soon)
 
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So I just bought an IPF Supercharger System for my 2010 and will be installing it within the next month. The install will probably take a while since its Oklahoma, the temps are going to be over 100 degrees and I really don't want to die before I feel the boost.

For those that don't know, my wife has a 2012 Mustang V6 and we race each other constantly on the drag strip. We had planned on eventually working our way up to both of us being supercharged but a deal came up that was too good to pass and we went ahead and bought mine (thanks IBM Camaro).

Hopefully next year we can start racing each other as supercharged vehicles. I still have to go through one more beating by my wife at the track before I install the supercharger though.

When I start the install I will post pictures and give updates. I plan on after the install and a few hundred miles to get a dyno to make sure everything is running great.

IPF is a great company with excellent customer support. Andy has been e-mailing me on a Saturday answering all my questions. Can't wait to see what this kit does to my car. Too bad my little 245 all-season tires might be getting burned down by the power.

Mods:
VMAX Ported Throttle Body
MACE Stage 4 Ported Intake Manifold
MACE Plenum Spacer
RX Black Ice-olator
American Racing Headers headers
ARK DT-S

JohnnyBfromPeoria 07-13-2013 04:07 PM

I finished my install in light rain (no garage). I could do it a second time in a single day, I'm sure, but it took me a whole weekend on mine.

Your tires will hold up for a while, as the power doesn't hit hard down low, making it easy to get off the line with little slip. Just watch how it hits in the middle of an intersection when you are getting on it and the RPM's get above 3K.

It's a great system to install and pretty much forget about, aside from oil changes, which are about as easy as getting a cup to hold the 4 oz. of oil that comes out and having the factory bottle to shoot back in. Mine just sits there whirring until I need to apply some throttle and away we go. I'd never go back.

John B.

KMPrenger 07-13-2013 06:30 PM

Wow, congrats man!

I've been following your Husband vs Wife thread in the versus section and that is pretty damn cool. Now it will be hoot when you two are both supercharged.

I know on your track that ALL cars run slow and that currently you guys (you and your wife's mustang) are running in 14.5 - 15 second range....which is saying something since your cars also have pretty much all the bolt ons.

I'd guess you should be taking about a second or more off that time once your boost comes in. Throw some stickier tires out back and I'm sure you could do even better.

Nutbutt 07-13-2013 06:36 PM

Totally agree ! The IPF system is great fun and the performance is really surprising to most everyone !
Get ready for a permagrin every time you drive it. :happyanim:

Vader2011v6 07-14-2013 04:23 AM

Congrats on the new supercharger . Another member of the FI v6 family

sycraft 07-14-2013 06:28 AM

Welcome, there is a load of knowledge on these IPF systems here, If you need anything or have any questions, shoot them to us, one of us probably has an answer. Let the fun begin.

MagnumForceGB 07-15-2013 08:51 PM

Its going to be a fun install, but I love working on my car. Wife said she will help me, so she will be getting her hands dirty.

Might be installing next week if I get everything situated (tune and some small parts). We will be racing this Friday though, see what our cars will do with all our bolt-ons, then next week see how much my time improved with the charger.

DarkneZZ 07-15-2013 11:56 PM

hey guys,
I am looking to turbocharge/supercharge my v6 sometime next year.
I would like to ask you about a TRUE cost.
I won't be installing it myself, so supercharger kit + installation + (do we need Brembo calipers if engine is going to be more powerful?) + (some other costs?)

Your help and answers would be greatly appreciated.

kenkartasasmita 07-16-2013 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkneZZ (Post 6782859)
hey guys,
I am looking to turbocharge/supercharge my v6 sometime next year.
I would like to ask you about a TRUE cost.
I won't be installing it myself, so supercharger kit + installation + (do we need Brembo calipers if engine is going to be more powerful?) + (some other costs?)

Your help and answers would be greatly appreciated.

brembos from a member here is around $800 - $1000 for a complete set and depend on the condition. for installation i heard its around $1k. and supercharger from ipf is $6k something. so do your math. hehe

lscamaro 07-16-2013 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkneZZ (Post 6782859)
hey guys,
I am looking to turbocharge/supercharge my v6 sometime next year.
I would like to ask you about a TRUE cost.
I won't be installing it myself, so supercharger kit + installation + (do we need Brembo calipers if engine is going to be more powerful?) + (some other costs?)

Your help and answers would be greatly appreciated.

It really depends what you intend to do with the car. You honestly don't need the brembos unless you plan to do some serious racing. Suspension would be a lot more beneficial to get the power to the floor

DarkneZZ 07-16-2013 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by lscamaro (Post 6782989)
It really depends what you intend to do with the car. You honestly don't need the brembos unless you plan to do some serious racing. Suspension would be a lot more beneficial to get the power to the floor

Well, it will be 90% city driving. No drag racing, no tracks, I just want it to be more responsive from dead stop to 60mph.
You sure brembos are not needed? Seems like a obvious and necessary upgrade that should come with more power


What about winter driving with a supercharger?!

lscamaro 07-16-2013 02:59 AM

Yea, if you aren't going to be racing then you don't really need the brembos. Brembos really only help brake fade which would be hard to experience in a non track scenario. You'd be better off just swapping pads if you wanted more stopping power. If the car is just going to be a daily, I don't think you'll need more than the supercharger. It's when you go to drag race or auto cross that you'll need suspension to really put the power to use

JohnnyBfromPeoria 07-16-2013 05:20 AM

Stock V-6 brakes haul these cars down within a few feet of an SS on cold stops. It's only when repeated hard use starts in, like on an autocross or a road track that you would notice any difference.

My IPF S/C is on and I've upgraded nothing, and I mean nothing, that was necessary, as there just isn't anything else you HAVE to do for a daily driver.

John B.

Sikoriko 07-16-2013 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBfromPeoria (Post 6783173)
Stock V-6 brakes haul these cars down within a few feet of an SS on cold stops. It's only when repeated hard use starts in, like on an autocross or a road track that you would notice any difference.

My IPF S/C is on and I've upgraded nothing, and I mean nothing, that was necessary, as there just isn't anything else you HAVE to do for a daily driver.

John B.

I second this, unless you are going to Watin Glenns or Sonoma raceway you don't need the bigger brakes. I installed front 2010 CTS calipers, dual piston 45mm. direct bolt on. using ceramic pads. they grab when needed.

BaylorCamaro 07-18-2013 09:04 AM

Very cool, good luck man!

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Agarc 07-18-2013 09:08 AM

lol your wife might end up being faster than you watch out lol

08-G35s/6MT 07-20-2013 08:31 PM

Nice!

MagnumForceGB 07-24-2013 02:11 PM

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Supposed to get the final parts from IPF today so I started the install. My dad was visiting from North Carolina with my sister and they decided to stay an extra day to help me out (makes getting the bumper off easier). Now I'm just waiting on the UPS truck and the tune. Should be a fun weekend of testing though.

menendez1293 07-24-2013 02:14 PM

Very nice. Do you have any more pictures of the install?

JohnnyBfromPeoria 07-24-2013 02:27 PM

Hope you used loc-tite on those bracket bolts. There's some vibration that goes on there.

Have fun snaking that flexible hose from the intercooler to the throttle body, it's a tight fit and it helps to have two people for that one.

Let me know if you have any questions.

John B.

Nutbutt 07-24-2013 02:37 PM

Looking good, I can see another FI permagrin on the horizon :happyanim:

MagnumForceGB 07-24-2013 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBfromPeoria (Post 6815392)
Hope you used loc-tite on those bracket bolts. There's some vibration that goes on there.

Have fun snaking that flexible hose from the intercooler to the throttle body, it's a tight fit and it helps to have two people for that one.

Let me know if you have any questions.

John B.

Got loc-tite on them but I also have the correct torque on them also. They shouldn't move anywhere. I got all the pipes routed correctly, but I am trying to figure out how to route the line from the catch can to the intake (before the supercharger). I got 60 inches of hose and it feels like I need 72 inches (I'll tell my wife I'm coming up 12 inches short again). I got spare though because I routed my driver side line behind the intake manifold and then behind the fuse box, same with the passenger side. I just need to trim the line when I verify everything is fitted correctly. The passenger side is busy but I wanted to keep the drivers side clean since it shows off my painted valve covers with the supercharger in the foreground.

GretchenGotGrowl 07-24-2013 03:42 PM

To be fair, pictures of the mustang are required as well.

:D

Patrick864 RS 07-24-2013 04:22 PM

Looks awesome! What parts are you waiting for? And how long does it usually take for them to get you the tune? For anybody that has the IPF. Cant wait to hear how much you love it! :thumb:

MagnumForceGB 07-24-2013 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick864 RS (Post 6815948)
Looks awesome! What parts are you waiting for? And how long does it usually take for them to get you the tune? For anybody that has the IPF. Cant wait to hear how much you love it! :thumb:

IPF said 24 hours for the tune. The parts... I'm waiting on the brake booster check valve, power steering relocation parts, the intake plug and bracket, and spacers for the supercharger brackets. They are supposed to get here today (UPS says out for delivery).

KMPrenger 07-24-2013 05:51 PM

Looking awesome so far! Hope the rest goes well and I can't wait to hear your impressions. Give us a full review!

Nutbutt 07-24-2013 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick864 RS (Post 6815948)
Looks awesome! What parts are you waiting for? And how long does it usually take for them to get you the tune? For anybody that has the IPF. Cant wait to hear how much you love it! :thumb:

IPF/Arno have the tunes waiting. As soon as I got the flash module I was able to down load from their website and flash the ECU. The first tune gave me an idle dive when I would come to a stop and depress the clutch. Arno had this fix within 1hr and I was running again. Arno has been great with just the obd data I have feedback to him. Car run really great right now. Can't wait to get back from vacation and get it back on the dyno.

MagnumForceGB 07-24-2013 09:42 PM

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Managed to get most of the install done. Just have to extend the MAF wires and double check all the connections. Then refill the power steering fluid, load a tune when I get it and start her up and hope it works.

KMPrenger 07-25-2013 12:42 PM

Best of luck!

ZaBeast07 07-25-2013 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MagnumForceGB (Post 6817111)
Managed to get most of the install done. Just have to extend the MAF wires and double check all the connections. Then refill the power steering fluid, load a tune when I get it and start her up and hope it works.

Looking good!!! Did the washer tank lid come in black??

Patrick864 RS 07-25-2013 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Nutbutt (Post 6816315)
IPF/Arno have the tunes waiting. As soon as I got the flash module I was able to down load from their website and flash the ECU. The first tune gave me an idle dive when I would come to a stop and depress the clutch. Arno had this fix within 1hr and I was running again. Arno has been great with just the obd data I have feedback to him. Car run really great right now. Can't wait to get back from vacation and get it back on the dyno.

Yeah they have been very helpful with the questions I have had so far during this quest. I just dont know what to do for the actual tune module. I wish I could buy a used one. Because I dont want to rent one...but I dont want to pay the $700 or whatever for everything. Maybe it can all work out. But back to the thread...the build is looking great man! I cant wait to start mine! Stuff is supposed to arrive Saturday! :popcorn:

Nutbutt 07-25-2013 03:32 PM

You won't be sorry with the IPF system ! I understand the $ issues. This is not cheap by any means.

Patrick864 RS 07-25-2013 03:36 PM

Oh I know! I plan on never getting rid of this car. And wanted to make it my own. And in reality this deal was going to be way cheaper than eventually getting an SS and then modding it. So why not have a fast and unique v6? Gotta pay to play though I guess you could say. :cool:

MagnumForceGB 07-25-2013 07:39 PM

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Looking good!!! Did the washer tank lid come in black??

It was blue, but the person before me painted it black. I have swapped it out for a black one right now.

Waiting on my tune now, ordered it this morning.

ZaBeast07 07-25-2013 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MagnumForceGB (Post 6820743)
It was blue, but the person before me painted it black. I have swapped it out for a black one right now.

Waiting on my tune now, ordered it this morning.

Ahh ok! Mine is still blue gotta fugue out which route I am going to take to make it black to match the rest.

MagnumForceGB 07-26-2013 12:12 PM

Wahoo, got it started up and running. Going to drive it to work and hope I don't break something. Power Steering fluid went back perfectly, no noises from turning.

Here is a video, I have never done a supercharger install so I don't know what a normal sound is. Everything sound normal to the experts?


sycraft 07-26-2013 12:19 PM

sounds good, make sure all clamps are tight and get some new oil for the SC unit, change it since you may not be sure when it was originally done. FYI, get a spare belt and tools to change on the side of the road, I have never had too, but I know the belts are sometimes hard to get in an emergency. I have 15k on my belt and so far no problems. Let us know what you think later,,, PERMAGRIN...

lscamaro 07-26-2013 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MagnumForceGB (Post 6823173)
Wahoo, got it started up and running. Going to drive it to work and hope I don't break something. Power Steering fluid went back perfectly, no noises from turning.

Here is a video, I have never done a supercharger install so I don't know what a normal sound is. Everything sound normal to the experts?


That all sounds good. Be sure to tell us how it all feels :D

MagnumForceGB 07-26-2013 01:04 PM

I changed the oil in the supercharger yesterday, wanted to start fresh. I drove it 17 miles to work and its awesome. I still haven't gotten past 4k RPM's, roads are wet right now. Love the boost sound though.

Only thing that worries me was exhaust pulsing at high load, probably needs more time to learn.

JohnnyBfromPeoria 07-26-2013 02:08 PM

40 mph in 4th gear in my M6 makes the coolest whistling sound ~2K rpm. People on the sidewalk turn to see what the heck is coming down the road.

If you haven't gone beyond 4K rpm, you haven't seen anything yet...

John B.


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