Why no root style supercharger??
Can anyone explain why no positive displacement blower for our V6 camaro?
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I personally would not want to go with a centrifugal blower on my v6. I would prefer a roots type blower :mad0260: unfortunately I think the main reason is because of the tuning problems. Most companys don't want to use Trifecta. Also when the camaro first came out all the companys where focused on the v8 but I hope and pray that companys like Kenne Bell and Whipple will make a kit for our v6.
Mods on v6 are: K&N cai with washer bottle delete, BBK longtube headers with High flow cats, TrifectaTune and muffler delete |
i could see sombody putting a 3.6 kenne bell on a 3.6 camaro.
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hp tuners is on the horizon so I guess we will find out if is really the tuning. I think another reason why alot of the companies have given up was because of fueling issues, but the fueling is supposedly fixed using brodix heads and two HPFP, and another option I believe is using injectors directly on top of the manifold. All thanks to Tracy.
On the flipside, Vince can do everything another tuner can do with other software...once I did hear that alot of these bigger companies think the v6 camaro is a waste of time though, EFI live one of those.:iono: I would love to have a KB or whipple on the v6:) |
the fuel issue is not cheap to get around at all tho.
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I would love to see that. hell i be happy with a 2.9 whipple.. but i like my garrett t-4 to.
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In about 2yr ill be going fi on my v6 and I want a roots blower period.
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yea i would ship my car to you from cali tracy if you did a KB supercharger haha
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This is what I was always hoping for too
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Probably because of the heat soak from a roots blower on a V6 would increase the IAT's way too much, and even meth wouldn't be able to resolve it.
Most people like the looks of roots blowers, but you'll also notice everybody with a roots blower also need a meth kit, while most folks with ProChargers have no need for meth because there is no heat transfer from the blower to the engine, and the cooling method used on a centri does not use "hot coolant" to cool the blower (to cool the air). You're best bet for a blower on a V6 most likely a centri or turbo system. |
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Also not all centri's are air-to-air.... Vortech uses air-to-water... although i think they do know offer air-to-air. But with water-to-air.. put that nice big reservoir in the trunk and load it up with a big bag of ice! When you are racing in August and the ambient temp is close to 100 degree, that cold ICE WATER isn't so hot! LOL Thing is roots type blowers have never been that available for the V6s... so don't think it's really the tuning issues... Look at the V6 Mustang. There are already a couple of centri kits out for the new 3.7 but no roots. In the previous 4.0 V6 there was only 1 kit and that was a Eaton from Explorer Express... Took them quite a while to bring that out for the 4.0 in the Mustang... So even if the tuning in the Camaro was simple, not sure we would see a root type blower available... |
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Regardless, of the varying methods (meth, chiller, ice, et al) to cool down the roots style blower (engine) my point it it's always better "not" to have to worry about any secondary systems. I dont' "need" any of that on my ProCharger setup. I don't want to use meth if I don't "have" to, and I don't want a trunk full of ice or any other gadgets to keep my IAT's cool if my blower choice doesn't transfer any additional heat to my engine. Additionally, what do you do when doing road course laps? Stop mid-way to cool the SC? And, yes you're right ProCharger the first to come out with the Air-to-Air method and now everyone else wants to follow suit. |
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And of course the other benefit of a meth system is the octane increase effect, allowing you run more boost and timing. There are some serious gains to be had with this gadget.... |
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As for increse in HP using meth.; My understanding is can use meth to cool the cylinder temp (which will maintain what ever power you already have vs a reduction in power due to hotter IAT's) OR use it as a fuel additive to provide power above and beyond what you have already. One method does nothing to increase power, the other does nothing to cool temps. |
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The EcoBoost is an air to air intercooler system and works just fine... However there are some SHO guys running Meth and they typically knock .5 off there 1/4 mile ETs... Seriously look at this setup myself... also for other that might not know: |
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How does the V6 engine height compare to the SS? |
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How close? Getting close to buying a Camaro and trying to decide between SS or LFX with some form of FI. The roots style charger REALLY peaks my interest due to the bottom end power.
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AWESOME!!!!
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Man that looks sick, would help out if i had the $$$
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Man your killing me Tracy ! Looks great :happyanim:
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LOW END TORQUE!! 400lbs?! Better than IPF?! :bow::clap2::dizzy:
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Can't wait to see the numbers!
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Can you explain the difference between a roots style vs TT. Is the low end torque comparable and power through out the entire range?
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I would purchase without hesitation or 2nd thought.:headbang:
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Tracy could you PM with all the details? What exactly you'd need and pricing?
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Looks great! Two questions (maybe I'm blind) where's the throttle body on this set up and what about a heat exchanger?
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How many cc is the supercharger?
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tracy that looks awesome. now i wish i would have waited.
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Definitely interested in this once its all situated. These seems like less of a headache than twins.
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It's a TVS 1300 I think, smaller than the TVS 2300 most SS use. Which I figure would bring price down also. Definitely a headache free option compared to turbo's, Wondering if I should switch lmao!!
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TVS is top technology now, just think how it will advance in 5 years. Wish I had more money
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