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-   -   VIDEO Proof: 2012 Camaro ZL1 Takes on Nurburgring in 7:41.27 (https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175377)

PitchBlack 10-20-2011 01:51 PM
Man, that guy can drive! :burnrubber:

htp autoworks 10-20-2011 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GRAHL (Post 3888165)
lol, no way, more like douchebag talk. Tooslow tries passing opinion off as fact and gets called out for it. then uses as many 50-cent words as possible to cover. happens all over the web, haha.
I have to agree on this one. Throwing out big "statistical" words doesnt make you any smarter or more knowledgable than the average car owner in this situation. It really makes you look like you broke out a dictionary to post a reply.... and in a car forum... thats douche baggery. :thumbup: Kidding...

Although the ZL1 will be a limited production car it will not be anything spectacular like a Veyron. So these cars will be driven jsut as the ZR1 are... in fact more so. No matter how long you hang onto that car it will not appreciate in value such as the Ford GT has. And dont take this as a shot... but after all it will be a Camaro. You can take an SS and apply a few mods to get the same performance... well really better. It will be a great car no doubt but it will not be a garage queen because unless you own the first one off the line it will not appreciate in value.

Scarrzz 10-20-2011 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by htp autoworks (Post 3907930)
I have to agree on this one. Throwing out big "statistical" words doesnt make you any smarter or more knowledgable than the average car owner in this situation. It really makes you look like you broke out a dictionary to post a reply.... and in a car forum... thats douche baggery. :thumbup: Kidding...

Although the ZL1 will be a limited production car it will not be anything spectacular like a Veyron. So these cars will be driven jsut as the ZR1 are... in fact more so. No matter how long you hang onto that car it will not appreciate in value such as the Ford GT has. And dont take this as a shot... but after all it will be a Camaro. You can take an SS and apply a few mods to get the same performance... well really better. It will be a great car no doubt but it will not be a garage queen because unless you own the first one off the line it will not appreciate in value.


I fear I may fail to fully comprehend the specific import of your dissertation.


No, wait, I got it now.

Yeah, gonna drive it like I stole it. :headbang:


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2012ZL1 10-20-2011 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by htp autoworks (Post 3907930)
Although the ZL1 will be a limited production car it will not be anything spectacular like a Veyron. And dont take this as a shot... but after all it will be a Camaro. You can take an SS and apply a few mods to get the same performance... well really better.
...Better than a Jeep....just sayin...:flame:

Scarrzz 10-20-2011 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Dragoneye (Post 3886201)
Before I die...I'd like to visit Europe. Specifically Italy, the place of my family's origins...

While over there, I want to rent a decent car and take a trip around the 'Ring, if possible...it would be a dream come true.:)

I lived in Germany for four years & yes the autobahn is fun. The 'ring would be incredible. I didn't have a worthy car at the time, just a truck & a fourth-hand Mercedes.

I will warn you, those Italian drivers are COMPLETELY(stark-raving)-Bazinga-Brazil-Nuts !

They will take a four lane road and turn it into a seven lane, and the odd lane belongs to whomever is doing the most stupid Uhmm Stuff. Seriously I'm aggressive enough to play with 'em, but only when I'm driving something that I don't mind using to bluff my way into a lane or even possibly swapping paint.

Then the curvy secondary roads that have no guard rail, are one lane wide with occasional turnouts, and have hairpin turns with 300 ft cliffs beside them. When I got down out of the Dolomite mountains, (yes it was snowing too) I had to pull over and thank God for half an hour before my stomach un-knotted.

Found a cool ski resort though. :facepalm:

kcobean 10-20-2011 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by htp autoworks (Post 3907930)
I have to agree on this one. Throwing out big "statistical" words doesnt make you any smarter or more knowledgable than the average car owner in this situation. It really makes you look like you broke out a dictionary to post a reply.... and in a car forum... thats douche baggery. :thumbup: Kidding...

Although the ZL1 will be a limited production car it will not be anything spectacular like a Veyron. So these cars will be driven jsut as the ZR1 are... in fact more so. No matter how long you hang onto that car it will not appreciate in value such as the Ford GT has. And dont take this as a shot... but after all it will be a Camaro. You can take an SS and apply a few mods to get the same performance... well really better. It will be a great car no doubt but it will not be a garage queen because unless you own the first one off the line it will not appreciate in value.
I completely agree. And don't forget that for all the ZL1's power, the 2011 ZL580 and the 2010 ZL575 are effectively the same car powerplant wise....A 6.2L V8 with a TVS2300 blower. The big improvement in the ZL1 is the suspension, which while it will make an improvement on the handling of the car, doesn't make it "super-car" per se.

Still great to see these cars putting down well into the 7 minute range on the ring though. That's an accomplishment for sure.

Iron Lung Jimmy 10-20-2011 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by kcobean (Post 3908656)
I completely agree. And don't forget that for all the ZL1's power, the 2011 ZL580 and the 2010 ZL575 are effectively the same car powerplant wise....A 6.2L V8 with a TVS2300 blower. The big improvement in the ZL1 is the suspension, which while it will make an improvement on the handling of the car, doesn't make it "super-car" per se.
As if that is some trivial thing. It makes it a lot more super than any other Camaro, be it aftermarket or production.

That's kind of like saying the big improvement in, say, Calvin Johnson over Usain Bolt is Johnson's ability to catch a football... like just any fast guy can learn to catch a football if they wanted to.

radz28 10-20-2011 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by kcobean (Post 3908656)
I completely agree. And don't forget that for all the ZL1's power, the 2011 ZL580 and the 2010 ZL575 are effectively the same car powerplant wise....A 6.2L V8 with a TVS2300 blower. The big improvement in the ZL1 is the suspension, which while it will make an improvement on the handling of the car, doesn't make it "super-car" per se.

Still great to see these cars putting down well into the 7 minute range on the ring though. That's an accomplishment for sure.
It's more than the suspension, too, though. The electronics to control the suspension and the downforce package to which gets ZL1 to stick are also factors to consider. Not to mention all the coolers and the rest of the chassis are all included so the consumer doesn't really have to add anything to hit the track and run like a rock star :)

SLP ZL-cars are great, but I'm not sure comparing one to ZL1 is apples-to-apples.

htp autoworks 10-20-2011 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Scarrzz (Post 3908046)
I fear I may fail to fully comprehend the specific import of your dissertation.


No, wait, I got it now.

Yeah, gonna drive it like I stole it. :headbang:


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LOL, please do. It deserves no less. :headbang:

kcobean 10-20-2011 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by radz28 (Post 3908808)
It's more than the suspension, too, though. The electronics to control the suspension and the downforce package to which gets ZL1 to stick are also factors to consider. Not to mention all the coolers and the rest of the chassis are all included so the consumer doesn't really have to add anything to hit the track and run like a rock star :)

SLP ZL-cars are great, but I'm not sure comparing one to ZL1 is apples-to-apples.
Fair points. I wasn't aware of a downforce package or additional coolers. They're not mentioned on the ZL1 site (that I saw). I'm definitely NOT arguing that it isn't going to be a hell of a car. I just don't think that in 20 years, it'll be bringing high values on the auction block. I'm an ex-Viper guy, and while all the guys who bought the '92 (first year) Viper thought they'd be worth big money 20 years later, they were 90K cars then and can be had in the 20's now. The ZL will be the same way.

Run and Gun 10-22-2011 02:21 AM
That was a awesome run!:w00t:

1BADZL1 11-26-2011 04:14 AM
This thread / video was history in the makin... I think it needs to be a sticky.....

1BADZL1 11-26-2011 04:20 AM
future ref:
Here are some comparison times which shows that the ZL1's amazing time is squarely in supercar territory!

Pos Make / Model Time Speed (km/h) Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by
1. Radical SR8LM 6:48.00 182 0 455 / 650 Radical
2. Radical SR8 6:55.00 179 '05 363 / 650 Radical
3. Gumpert Apollo Speed 7:11.57 172 '09 700 / 1200 Gumpert
4. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 7:12.13 172 '08 600 / 1536 Dominik Farnbacher
5. Lexus LFA Nurburgring Package 7:14.64 171 '12 570 / 1509 Lexus
6. Donkervoort D8 RS 7:14.89 171 '05 350 / 600 Michael Duechting
7. Porsche 911 GT2 RS 7:18.00 169 '10 620 / 1370 Porsche
8. Radical SR3 Turbo 7:19.00 169 '03 320 / 500 Phil Bennett
9. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 7:19.63 169 '08 647 / 1530 General Motors
10. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 7:22.10 168 '08 600 / 1536 Motor Trend
11. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 7:22.68 168 '11 512 / 1394 General Motors
12. Lexus LFA Nurburgring Package 7:22.85 167 '12 570 / 1509 Lexus
13. Gumpert Apollo Sport 7:24.00 167 '07 700 / 1200 Sport Auto
14. Nissan GT-R 7:24.22 167 '11 530 / 1736 Nissan
15. Maserati MC12 7:24.29 167 '04 632 / 1335 Marc Basseng
16. Pagani Zonda F Clubsport 7:24.65 167 '05 650 / 1230 Marc Basseng
17. Ferrari Enzo 7:25.21 167 '02 660 / 1365 Marc Basseng
18. Nissan GT-R 7:26.70 166 '08 479 / 1740 Toshio Suzuki
19. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 7:27.00 166 '11 500 / 1360 Porsche
20. Ferrari 458 Italia 7:28.00 166 '09 570 / 1485 Scuderia Autoropa
21. Porsche Carrera GT 7:28.71 165 '03 612 / 1380 Marc Basseng
22. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 7:30.00 165 '11 500 / 1360 Sport Auto
23. Porsche 911 GT2 7:31.00 164 '07 530 / 1440 Auto Motor und Sport
24. Porsche 911 Turbo S 7:32.00 164 '10 530 / 1585 Porsche
25. Pagani Zonda F 7:33.00 164 '05 602 / 1371 Sport Auto
26. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 7:33.00 164 '10 450 / 1400 Sport Auto
27. Koenigsegg CCX 7:33.55 164 '06 806 / 1456 Marc Basseng
28. Koenigsegg CCR 7:34.00 163 '04 806 / 1418 Sport Auto
29. Audi R8 GT 7:34.00 163 '10 560 / 1520 Sport Auto
30. Nissan GT-R Spec-V 7:34.46 163 '09 492 / 1680 Best Motoring
31. RUF RT12 7:35.00 163 '05 650 / 1573 Sport Auto
32. Porsche 911 Turbo 7:38.00 162 '06 480 / 1585 Porsche
33. Lexus LF-A 7:38.00 162 '10 560 / 1609 Sport Auto
34. Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera 7:38.00 162 '10 570 / 1430 Sport Auto
35. Ferrari 430 Scuderia 7:39.00 162 '07 510 / 1402 Sport Auto
36. Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 7:40.00 161 '06 640 / 1805 Auto Bild Sportscars
37. McLaren Mercedes SLR 7:40.00 161 '03 626 / 1693 Auto Bild
38. Porsche 911 GT3 7:40.00 161 '09 435 / 1376 Walter Rohrl
39. Porsche 911 Carrera S 7:40.00 161 '11 400 / 1415 Porsche
2012 Camaro ZL1 7:41.27
40. Porsche 911 GT3 7:42.00 161 '06 415 / 1395 Walter Rohrl
41. Radical SR3 7:42.00 161 '02 205 / 495
42. Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce 7:42.00 161 '09 670 / 1664 Sport Auto
43. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 7:42.90 160 '05 513 / 1437 Jan Magnussen
44. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 7:43.00 160 '03 381 / 1360 Motor
45. Pagani Zonda C12 S 7:44.00 160 '02 555 / 1250 Sport Auto
46. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 7:44.00 160 '09 525 / 1620 Sport Auto
47. Mercedes CLK 63 Black Series 7:45.00 159 '07 507 / 1745 Berndt Schneider
48. Gardner Douglas GD T70 Spyder 7:45.00 159 '10 710 / 900 Dario Margutti
49. Porsche 911 GT2 7:46.00 159 '00 460 / 1430 Sport Auto
50. Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera 7:46.00 159 '07 530 / 1520 Auto
51. Jaguar XJ220 7:46.37 159 '92 549 / 1470 John Nielsen
52. Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano 7:47.00 159 '06 620 / 1748 Sport Auto
53. Wiesmann GT MF5 7:47.00 159 '08 507 / 1380 Sport Auto
54. Porsche 911 Turbo 7:47.00 159 '09 500 / 1570 Sport Auto
55. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 7:48.00 158 '06 415 / 1375 Sport Auto
56. BMW M3 GTS 7:48.00 158 '10 450 / 1543 Sport Auto
57. Lamborghini Murcielago 7:50.00 158 '02 580 / 1800 Sport Auto
58. BMW M3 CSL 7:50.00 158 '03 360 / 1385 Sport Auto
59. Porsche 911 Carrera S 7:50.00 158 '08 385 / 1425
60. Mercedes SL65 AMG Black Series 7:51.00 157 '09 670 / 1870 Sport Auto
61. Lamborghini Gallardo 7:52.00 157 '03 500 / 1613 Sport Auto
62. Ford GT 7:52.00 157 '04 550 / 1538 Sport Auto
63. Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 7:52.00 157 '08 560 / 1530 Sport Auto
64. Mercedes CLK DTM 7:54.00 156 '04 582 / 1678 Sport Auto
65. Porsche 911 GT3 7:54.00 156 '03 380 / 1380 Sport Auto
66. Ferrari F430 7:55.00 156 '05 489 / 1450 Sport Auto
67. Caterham R500 1.8L K Series 7:55.00 156 '99 233 / 450 EVO
68. BMW M5 7:55.00 156 '11 560 / 1870 BMW
69. Porsche 911 Turbo 7:56.00 156 '00 420 / 1540 Sport Auto
70. Ferrari 360 CS 7:56.00 156 '03 425 / 1280 Sport Auto
71. Ferrari California GT 7:56.00 156 '09 460 / 1787
72. Porsche Panamera Sport Chrono Turbo 7:56.00 156 '09 500 / 1974 Auto Bild
73. Porsche Panamera Turbo 7:56.00 156 '09 500 / 1870 Walter Rohrl
74. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 7:56.00 156 '02 411 / 1414 General Motors
75. Porsche 911 GT3 7:56.33 156 '99 360 / 1350 Walter Rohrl


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