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Do your research, there is tons of information on this forum. Decide on what you want and what's important to you handling, steering, power, braking, et al. And go from there. Maybe rent one, drive it around to get a feel for it. Everyone on this forum will give you a different answer from the fan-boys saying it's perfect to the extreme moder that wants it to be an all out race car. For me I wanted better handling and more power so did a Hotchis track pack first, this is the very least I would do then go to the track see how it feels and then decide you next steps from there, I'll be at the track this year with the new setup I have so I'll know from there the next thing I may need to do I'm thinking some form of cooling. |
^ ^ Which track/events do you usually run at? Mosport? TMP? SMP? Apex days? Dexter days? BMW club? 6th Gear? Just curious if/where I may run into you :cool:.
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Didn't read the entire thread- but if you have the z06 keep it. Just get a Honda or Toyota for the family. I got rid of my Vette thinking I wouldn't miss it, but I do!! I have an SS now and track her, but doesn't compare to my Vette. Now don't get me wrong, I have a blast at the track with her - but like I said doesn't compare. I don't regret - but would I make a different decision if I had the Vette still _YES!
I have PFADT sways and BC CoilOvers for Road Course days. Makes a huge diff in handling. Steel braided lines, RBF 600 and Hawk DTC60 and HT10 and get no brake fade. I have an L99 as I never got the heel and toe down in my two previous manuals so I opted for tap shifting. :) I've done 4 track days and two of them the temps reached 80 to 83 and the tranny didn't get hot. However I'm putting in a cooler in the next couple weeks. I don't do track days in the summer but I'm going to squeeze in another 3 days after this Saturday. You're a good guy to cough up the Vette to have something the family can use. But I think you can get something that is cheap and won't hurt your pockets and keep the Vette. I only got rid of mine and a few other cars so I can move out of the town I was in and have a long time to find a job. What I regret is I ended up deciding to move back to where I moved from to be closer to family. My Vette(Road Course, IS350(AutoX) and my M35 daily driver gone!!! And for what.:( Oh well live, learn and move forward!! If you do get rid of the Z and put a little into the Camaro you will have fun. I say at minimum get sway bars to remove that body roll. |
Hey Pete, follow the link...
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209928 |
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Rogan, nice to hear from somebody with some perspective with the L99 / A6. Glad to hear that you haven't had any issues so far. I agree, a BIG COOLER would probably be a very wise move :thumbsup:.
L99Cama, I have no misconceptions about the disadvantages of an auto, just trying to leave all "options" open to consideration, since if we go to one vehicle, it may not be practical if my wife can't drive the car if necessary ..... and before anyone suggests, "teach her to drive it", for over 5 years, she's refused to learn on either my Camaro or Corvette :iono: (although I'm sure most people wouldn't even consider teaching somebody on either car like that?! :laugh:). No doubt, I'd love to just keep the Z06, but it's a very expensive piece of real estate at the moment, and the payment for that 1 car could be put towards 2 cars which would better suit our needs at this point ;). But trust me, it's really hard thinking of giving up such an awesome car :(. |
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If I don't trade her in (thinking about a ctsv - dealer waiting on me to decide) - I will super charge her and put a cooler for the tranny. The cts v is so pretty on the inside that I don't feel like driving her hard.:laugh: |
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HONDA is a 4-letter-word in my books, buddy!!! :paddle: I'll stick with my high-mileage, aging Avalanche before going to the dark side! My wife won't have anything but a GM either ..... the Oshawa assembly plant kept a roof over her head and food on the table growing up, so we can't turn our backs on GM like that!! :chevy:
The way I see this deal going down, The Z06 and Avalanche go, I'll get a Camaro, she gets a new Equinox (or something similar) and we may keep her car around for me as a winter beater ('04 Optra ... not a "domestic" Chevy, but it does wear a bowtie ;)). If we get rid of her car, then I'd be hard pressed getting a 6-speed Camaro since I could leave her "stranded" in the event I take her vehicle for some reason, so keeping her Optra would provide a good alternative, and could save the Camaro from winter use/abuse as well :cool:. I will miss the Z06 dearly, but I'll get over it. Giving up going to the track entirely sounds painful, so I'll be perfectly fine out there with an LS3/6-speed Camaro. I'm sure the mod-bug will hit me one day, but in the meantime, I'll "survive" with it being bone stock :thumbsup:. No final decisions yet, but hopefully that's how things will pan out :thumbup:. |
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The MOST IMPORTANT part, is rev-matching your down-shifts. That "blip" of throttle is key. I got so good at timing my down-shifts just before getting on the brakes, and rev-matching them, that I was "complimented" on how well I did heel-toe! :thumbup: (even though it wasn't heel-toe at all ;)). Since it's been quite awhile since I've driven the 5th-gen, I can't remember what the pedal arrangement is like ... whether the gas and brake are close enough to do heel-toe easily or not? :iono: |
Here's a question:
Anybody (or know anybody who) lost a motor due to oil starvation?? Apparently it's quite a concern with the LS3 in the C6, but I don't know, it could be due to differences in the design (size/shape) of the oil pan used in the C6 vs. Camaro? (assuming there is a difference? :iono:). GM came out with a "Bat-wing" (shaped) pan for the LS3 (C6), similar to that on the LS6 (C5Z06). Are the pans between a C6 LS3 and Camaro LS3 the same, or different? Wondering if there are any issues with that, and if so, is there a known "fix", other than going to an Accusump and/or aftermarket dry-sump? |
The vette was a dry sump oil system.
We don't have that. Corner 5 has claimed a few vette engines. |
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But as for the stock LS3, at least in the C6, they've been known to starve for oil after long, high-g corners. In some cases, they're fine on street tires, and only an issue on R-compound tires. Just wasn't sure if there is much history with the Camaros? (yet??) BTW, enough LS3's (stock, no mods) blew on the track, and GM covered them under warranty, that GM came up with a "solution" by designing a "bat-wing" pan (like the LS6's) specifically for the LS3, for track use. They've also had to replace blown LS7's with dry-sump, (under warranty) and have since increased the capacity of the system in an effort to alleviate the problems with it. I guess my REAL question here is, does the Camaro's LS3 use the SAME oil pan as the C6's, or is it a different pan? (maybe larger capacity? does it have any kind of baffling inside??) |
There is a bit of baffling to get oil down into the pan and prevent foaming on the crank. But no trap doors around the pump or anything fancy like a track made pan. You also have to consider that a corvette will pull some serious g's when modded. Most camaros won't get to that level without major suspension/wheel/tire mods. I haven't seen or heard of anyone running the pump dry on a camaro.
I did find this which looks interesting: http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-pa...ffle-p-41.html I figure if you've thrown enough money at the car's suspension that the risk is valid then you probably have some cash going into the engine as well so a baffle would be a wise investment. But for a bolt-on camaro with a fair number of suspension mods you should be fine. I would avoid high volume oil pumps though if you have plans like yours. Also some road courses have high speed sustained turns so it will be track specific where problems are highlighted. I'm too lazy to find all the fiches to see if its the same part number. You seem to be bouncing back and forth between minimal mods and making a track monster. Eventually you're going to find some weak links on a track monster. |
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FWIW, I have seen consistant numbers between 1.0 - 1.2 with the Z06! Also FWIW, both the C6's LS3 and LS7 have suffered starvation once they start sustaining over 1.0 for long, sweeping corners, and (amazingly!) that can be achieved on factory tires, with NO MODS. So I think you can probably understand my concern with the LS3? ;) Quote:
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I want something that's going to be reliable, and not constantly breaking / breaking-down (not that the 'Vettes fit into that category, but I've been down that road before), and doesn't "need mods" before stepping foot onto the track just for the occasional day once in awhile (and since oil starvation is a real concern with the C6's, then it had to be addressed with them). Other than blowing the diff a few times in my '02 Z28 (:rolleyes:) that car performed flawlessly for me for many years and miles. I'm getting the impression the new one should be equally as trouble-free, as long as I treat it right :thumbsup:. Again, I appreciate all the helpful feedback that's been provided in this thread. :happy0180: |
For HPDE and TT events that are run on aggressive street tires, the consensus is that LS3 oiling isn't such a big deal. (Unless it's the LS3 in YOUR car that just blew up, then it's a big deal.)
If you're only going to do a few trackdays each year like you say, just stay on street tires and you'll have fun without constantly worrying about engine problems. It doesn't sound like you're going to gut and cage your car and build a racecar out of it, you just want to go have some weekend fun, right? |
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I know a company was selling something recently that took info from the OBDII connection and displayed up to 2 parameters through the HUD. That may be an option if the computer is actually tracking that and not just engine data. |
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Hey Pete, I've been to the track quite a few times with lost of suspension, wheel, tire, and engine mods, and have never had a problem with oil issues or overheating.
Stock will be just fine. |
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Also nice to know you've had no heat issues. Thanks again guys! :w00t: |
Well, just thought I'd give you guys an update ..... I bought a Camaro ..... but not a new one ...
... I actually bought BACK my old '02 Z28 from my buddy who bought it from me back in 2010!! The Z06 and Avalanche are gone, and we're getting a GMC Terrain for my wife. But yeah, I got my old Z28 back!! :D It doesn't have quite the same pull as I've been used to with either the LS3 or LS7, but it's still quick enough. May need a heads/cam, LS3 or LS7 upgrade though!! :laugh: Anyway, at least I've got a car that I can take to the track, and I'm actually saving a ton of money this way, vs. buying a new Camaro. Now I can actually AFFORD to go to the track!! ;) So that's my story. Thanks again for everybody's input, and maybe I'll see a couple of you local guys out at Mosport (now known as Canadian Tire Motorsport Park?!) sometime this season :cool:. |
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