Mustang Chief Engineer: 200lbs weight loss for 2015 Mustang. Camaro to match?
Will be interesting to see which car ends up lighter in the next generation. Mustang chief engineer says he thinks 200 lbs loss is possible for 2015 mustang.
Interview: http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=653 Camaro should get much lighter on alpha platform. Anyone know just how much yet ? |
So you are referencing forum that references an article from April of 2010? Not the most current of sources. Anything is possible. My guess is they will be very close in weight. The ATS proves what GM can do and the Camaro haters (and lovers) have made it clear weight is at the top of the list for wants.
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He's the head engineer so his word is pretty good for now. I think the next stang platform (s550) will be based off the Lincoln, it's smaller "cts like" in length/width. Weight will probably be near 3400 +/- 50lbs.
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That thread is so insulting hahaha. I can take guys calling my baby fat (she is), but everyone in that thread called the camaro ugly.
Well I never! |
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I hope both the stang and the camaro get into a weight loss battle. Enthusiasts of each will only stand to benefit |
I didn't realize that I joined Mustang5... :rolleyes:
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* 3315 pounds is the curb weight for the ATS 2.5L, the 2.0L turbo curb weight is 3373 (A) and 3403 (M) |
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Al oppen is better than him. Hes talking about visibility with the rear view mirror, He needs to see the 2013 mirror then he will change his mind
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But exactly what Lincoln is this supposedly based off of? Lincoln doesn't have any platforms. At this point it is more of a trim level of every Ford than its own brand (kinda like Mercury was 5 years ago). And no Lincoln is RWD, except for the Navigator. |
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The people have spoken and they love Camaros:stang: |
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well then the 6th gen camaro and what ever gen mustang this next one will be will probably be about the same weight IMO, they gotta us that argument as often as they can because it won't hold water much longer...LOL
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And the Mustang has had the weight advantage for awhile now...doesn't seem to have helped them much.
Just sayin' |
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If history continues like it has since 1967, the Camaro will be heavier than the Mustang. The 6th gen Camaro will be lighter compared to the 5th gen but don't expect it to be an impressive weight loss. I'm guessing the 6th gen SS will be ~3600 lbs.
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As for as I know only a pre 2012 camaro ss has been tested. There was a suspension revision since then. Also the camaro was always tested against the track pack mustangs with gearing, suspension, and other improvements. The track pack camaro pulls over 1g's. :) The ZL1 pulls over 1g's. The GT500 pulls 0.98g's |
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This reminds me of when I was running my business. I was Camaro, with the restrictions in place because Corvette doesn't want it's toes stepped on, and my competitor was Mustang. My restrictions were business ethics, and my competitor had none, he'd fire out with some lame and unethical big weapon, and I'd stick to my plan and improve by my standard not his. It's like the GT500, it goes fast in a straight line, good for them, Chevy has been saying for a while on the Corvette, and of course now the Camaro, that they want to work on lighter cars that are faster on tracks because of it. Ford now wants to play that game too.
So like should we even compare the GT500 to the ZL1, I mean Scott says that Mustang is Ford's Camaro and Corvette. So like shouldn't we be comparing the GT500 to the Z06 or Grand Sport, I don't know. I know if Ford won't publish the Nurburgring time for GT500 because it's slower than ZL1, then it's a heck of a lot slower than Z06 and ZR1 |
I know how there gonna remove 200lbs from the mustang...there gonna remove the fatty drivers lol
2015 Mustang now on sale= Jumbo paper weight |
200 pounds less than the current Mustang will be around 3400 pounds. Damn.......that's only 100 pounds more than the new C7 Vette.....;)
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I would like to think a 33xx base and 36xx lb V8 Camaro is a real possiblity this time around. I also know that GM is scared as hell to mess with the success of the 5th gen. My hunch, and thats all it is, a hunch, is that youll see a ever so "slightly" lighter car in roughly similar dimensions to the 5th gen. My jaw would be on the floor if they actually built a ATS sized Camaro with ATS like weight like I would want. |
Well it's only natural that it gets lighter. Especially as they have a goal to reduce weight by at least 15%. Will it be lighter than the Mustang, likely not. But again, the cars are essentially equal now (and as they have been pretty much throughout history).
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The "track pack" you are referring to on the Mustang GT is just the Brembo brake package. So equipped, it puts the Mustang GT on the same compound, but slightly smaller PZero tires, and Brembos only on the front. It basically gives the GT nothing the SS does not have. And yet, a GT out-handles an SS by a significant .05g. The GT will run even with an M3 on a race trace...the SS won't. If anything, the GT should be at a handling disadvantage to the SS, since it is SRA vs IRS, but it is not. Why?...3900lbs. You are right that the 1LE will out-handle the GT, but since that puts you into Boss money, you can't really compare a 1LE to a GT. And the Boss pulls over 1g as well. I'll agree that the ZL1 is a much better handler than the GT500. GT500 has never been a track car like the ZL1 was specifically designed to be. It's meant to be more of a drag racer. That's why the Boss is faster than a GT500 on a road course. GT500 also has a serious weight problem of its own. I agree that the ZL1 is a beast that beats every version of the Mustang ever made. They basically took the Boss 302 philosophy of serious chassis upgrades to make it turn like nothing else, except they added about 150 more horsepower on top of it. Bottom line, the old saying "more power makes you faster on the straights, less weight makes you faster everywhere" will always be true. |
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I've also had a chance to drive an ATS I think its driving characteristics would be perfect for the phony car segment. It feels relatively light on its feet and nimble without feeling small. In it, GM also (finally) has decent steering feel. |
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On the other hand, the new 2014 CTS is on the Alpha LWB, and it weighs right around 3,650 lbs. I'd think a Camaro on the same chasis with the same V6 (not the turbo V6) could come in at under 3,600 lbs. That said, I'll be disappointed if the next V6 (if there IS a V6 version) weighs over 3,500 lbs. |
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The main problem is that the sidewalls are just too thick, and the ass looks huge. The slit windows adds to this fatty look. I think part of the reason why the ZL1 looks better is because the black rear diffusers and rocker panels makes it look slimmer and therefore sportier. Ever seen a fat swimmer/runner? Slim looks fast. |
Camaro actually is a pretty damn big car. It's built off a full size sedan platform.
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So camaro owners=bbw lovers?
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A Ferrari 458 weighs north of 3400 lbs, I'd be very surprised if the next Mustang in V8 configuration weighs less than 3500 lbs.
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