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bobby35ny 10-13-2011 02:51 PM

GM wants to make MONEY....:)
Traditions are lower on to totem pole these days.
No need for GM to make the car light or high revving like the 69.
They will slap some stickers on it like the 45th and SELL SELL SELL because you and I will BUY it because it says Z28...:)

IMHO Z28 will be a detuned ZL1 without mag ride.
-bobby

LOWDOWN 10-13-2011 03:00 PM

The sole, solitary reason to bring back a "true" Z/28 is as a streetable daily driver-able track car...PERIOD...

NO FORCED INDUCTION...PERIOD...

Light as possible, with the "necessities", without gingerbread or gold chain holders...PERIOD...

Ford "gets it"...witness the BOSS...in TWO flavors...

If it's gotta have an n/a Gen-6 over-475 hp DI, so be it...

If it's gotta have a boost-unfriendly LS7, so be it...

If it's gotta have MR, so be it...

But this car, known as and faithful to Z/28, is REQUIRED...

...and the sooner, the better...

There's no QUIT for this dawg! And there shouldn't be for GM/Camaro...

monstertodd 10-13-2011 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN (Post 3880136)
The sole, solitary reason to bring back a "true" Z/28 is as a streetable daily driver-able track car...PERIOD...

NO FORCED INDUCTION...PERIOD...

Light as possible, with the "necessities", without gingerbread or gold chain holders...PERIOD...

Ford "gets it"...witness the BOSS...in TWO flavors...

If it's gotta have an n/a Gen-6 over-475 hp DI, so be it...

If it's gotta have a boost-unfriendly LS7, so be it...

If it's gotta have MR, so be it...

But this car, known as and faithful to Z/28, is REQUIRED...

...and the sooner, the better...

There's no QUIT for this dawg! And there shouldn't be for GM/Camaro...

Well said! :headbang: :w00t:

2cnd chance 10-13-2011 06:31 PM

I think we've seen the Z28 test mule the "ZL1 Track" car. Look real close and notice the changes from the ZL1 that are not part of the ZL1: induction hood(not typical for FI), no bottom aero, possible rear brake cooling, etc.

DGthe3 10-13-2011 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN (Post 3878307)
The problem with DI, and the attendant development (increased c.r. etc.) is the final results are NOT mod-friendly... Witness the LLT. STILL no FI aftermarket apps (save STS) in wide usage because the BoschBox in NOT readily mod-able. Yes, a piggyback tune is a possibility, but the LLT is NOT nearly as mod-friendly as the LS...because a deviance too far in tuning in any direction, with high static compression, results in expen$ive paperweights...

Do NOT expect easy modding of the coming Gen-5 SBC...think LLT "locked-box"...

I think that is more of a market problem than a technical problem. For the most part, Cadillac owners (or Traverse owners or V6 Camaro owners or anyone else that owns an LLT) typically don't mod their cars. Yes, there are some but they represent a very small portion of the community.

Conversely, Camaro SS and Corvette owners kinda have a reputation for at least throwing some light mods on their car, like intake exhaust & tune.

Yeah, it might be harder to crack the ECU in the V6, in the same way its harder to get malware into a Mac ... but at the same time, there is way more money to be made if you can hack a PC, or in this case ... a V8, so why bother with the little guy?

boxmonkeyracing 10-14-2011 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance (Post 3881111)
I think we've seen the Z28 test mule the "ZL1 Track" car. Look real close and notice the changes from the ZL1 that are not part of the ZL1: induction hood(not typical for FI), no bottom aero, possible rear brake cooling, etc.

to me that car looks like it was wrecked and stuck back together. you might be right but that's just what it looks like to me.

2012ZL1 10-14-2011 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN (Post 3834465)
This dawg has been run through the briars and the brambles...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149090

Defined as either a 1SS with selected ZL1 content OR a de-contented/re-engined ZL1, with superior power-to-weight compared to a BOSS (which means at least 475 hp, normally aspirated), and undergoing "parallel development" with the ZL1 as we speak (front-opening hood scoop on one "ZL1" mule; who sez all those ZL1 mules have MR?) is far from out of the question...

MY '13/'14/'15 still await the Gen-5 Camaro...so there's still time for Z/28 maturation...


Ah-Ha! that makes total sense!

2cnd chance 10-14-2011 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing (Post 3884118)
to me that car looks like it was wrecked and stuck back together. you might be right but that's just what it looks like to me.

Look "real" close. The hood is held on with pins(?) strange. Then notice the hood is very wavy almost like quickly made fiberglass. Now look at the "new" opening in the hood, if you look real close it looks like there is a hood under/inside the cheap looking outside hood.

2012ZL1 10-23-2011 07:41 PM

Z28 is probably not out 'til 2015..

calbert1999 10-23-2011 09:28 PM

Build your own version of a Z/28. Personally, I don't give a rats ass about the branding, marketing, or labels. I just want a Camaro that handles well on road and track and has serious power without engine falling apart with a little bit of boost pushed into it or reving too high.
The first thing I expect to hear / read once the ZL1 hits market is how many grenaged engines are left in the scrap yard, when people start changing pulleys and adjusting tunes.
You want a bad ass Z/28? Pick up a used Camaro, scrap the LS3 and put in an "IRON" forged 427 LSX, with LSX-LS7 heads and some boost or put in a crate LSX-454 NA and call it a day and be happy.
Just make sure you're involved with the build, ask lot's of questions, have regular meetings to discuss the challenges and issues, and do lot's of research.

MaximoSS 10-24-2011 01:43 AM

2013 Camaro Z-28
-----
6.2 LS3 w/ Dry sump (ala Gran Sport)
Z-28 Spec pads & Brake cooling
Z-28 Spec suspension ( tested at the Nurburgring...)
Z-28 Spec wheels & tires (20x9.5 / 20x10.5)
Z-28 Spec front splitter & Spoiler
Z-28 Recaro seat option*
Z-28 --Curb Weight / 3690 lbs--

--$42k MSRP--

Who's buying one ?

I would.

Rogan 10-24-2011 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MaximoSS (Post 3920545)
2013 Camaro Z-28
-----
6.2 LS3 w/ Dry sump (ala Gran Sport)
Z-28 Spec pads & Brake cooling
Z-28 Spec suspension ( tested at the Nurburgring...)
Z-28 Spec wheels & tires (20x9.5 / 20x10.5)
Z-28 Spec front splitter & Spoiler
Z-28 Recaro seat option*
Z-28 --Curb Weight / 3690 lbs--

--$42k MSRP--

Who's buying one ?

I would.

Me too - if I don't get the zl1 first.:chevy:

OldScoolCamaro 10-24-2011 07:57 PM

The Z-28 IMHO needs to be Chevy's next debut. So much interest has been created in the Camaro product with the advent of the ZL1. There is a customer base wanting a performance vehicle that can't be satisfied. Not many will have their cravings fullfiled. The limited ZL1 supply will provide the stimulus for such a products success. Come on Chevy, fill that gap and bring us the Z-28. Please!

tooslow 10-24-2011 08:01 PM

Question, why would anyone want a Z28 built on this platform? Why not wait until the newer, supposedly lighter platform in the next Generation?


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