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2ndgenz28 08-14-2010 02:39 PM

The Danica in NASCAR saga continues
 
The Danica in NASCAR saga continues

its on ESPN 1 I think

Carfax 250

3 laps down early, think she needs a lesson on pedals.

Gas on the right, brake on the left ;)

Its not like she is a low sponsor driver with a low budget team car that can't keep up...

Its starting not be funny anymore; just sad.

tradosaurus 08-14-2010 03:33 PM

Ummm... a woman in a man's sport.

Richard Petty was right.

Nuff said.

franknbeans 08-14-2010 03:34 PM

she's there as a symbol, nothing more than that.

jas60hawk 08-14-2010 03:39 PM

I can't remember the last time they interviewed a 25th+ place driver..... Oh yeah it was the last time she drove. EPIC FAIL!!

bono83 08-14-2010 04:58 PM

I hesitated to respond because I hate to keep any talk of her going because she is highly, highly overrated.

fielderLS3 08-14-2010 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bono83 (Post 2219776)
I hesitated to respond because I hate to keep any talk of her going because she is highly, highly overrated.

But she makes a good shower commercial though. As long as she can attract sponsorship dollars, that's all that matters, because that's the direction NASCAR has gone.

2010 SSRS 08-14-2010 05:17 PM

she's hott though, that's all I care about.

CaniacFan 08-14-2010 05:22 PM

I agree, she's there as a symbol and marketing ploy - and it's working. Best finish thus far, 24th.. I know it's a different car than the one she's used to (Indy), but honestly, most of the Sprint Cup tracks are nothing but left hand turns, right?? I'm just sayin..

2ndgenz28 08-16-2010 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CaniacFan (Post 2219827)
I agree, she's there as a symbol and marketing ploy - and it's working. Best finish thus far, 24th.. I know it's a different car than the one she's used to (Indy), but honestly, most of the Sprint Cup tracks are nothing but left hand turns, right?? I'm just sayin..

back from the dead, I think the big problem is she expects to feel the same ammount of downforce or feel as a Indy car. She needs to hit the dirt and learn how to turn right to go left wide open.

Epitaph 08-16-2010 08:02 PM

I didn't mind her driving in Indy, she was doing better than some of the men, she's in a different game now.

2ndgenz28 08-17-2010 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Epitaph (Post 2226683)
I didn't mind her driving in Indy, she was doing better than some of the men, she's in a different game now.

but the men from Indy have had no such problems with the switch, they take it up quiet quickly.

Long as they are popular enough to get big sponsors like her to have the best of the best, they do well.

Though still think she is just afraid to wreck going for it. What has held her up in Indy, she doesn't want it enough to lock wheels at 210 for a chance at a win.

springerpete 09-09-2010 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28 (Post 2227902)
but the men from Indy have had no such problems with the switch, they take it up quiet quickly.

Long as they are popular enough to get big sponsors like her to have the best of the best, they do well.

Though still think she is just afraid to wreck going for it. What has held her up in Indy, she doesn't want it enough to lock wheels at 210 for a chance at a win.

I beg to differ. Many of the cross over drivers haven't done well. (Michael Andretti, Boris Said, A.J. Foyt) Most of the ones that came from dirt track have done extremely well because they are used to their cars not having traction on the back end. (Carl Edwards, Tony Stewart, Both Busches, Kasey Kahne)

I think racing dirt track in her off season could do her a world of good.

MJanowich 09-11-2010 06:43 PM

Here's a great article from Jalopnic.com titled "Why Danica Patrick Can't Win At Racing".

http://jalopnik.com/5627886/why-dani...-win-at-racing

"She has not even bothered to learn the most basic facts about the design of the cars, and only learned at the last race about the "truck bars," a standard feature of a stocker and one way of altering the handling. Drivers do not have to be mechanics, but they need to know what can be altered and what effect it will have. Every driver I ever worked with understood the basics of set ups, some far more than others."

Moose 09-12-2010 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CaniacFan (Post 2219827)
I agree, she's there as a symbol and marketing ploy - and it's working. Best finish thus far, 24th.. I know it's a different car than the one she's used to (Indy), but honestly, most of the Sprint Cup tracks are nothing but left hand turns, right?? I'm just sayin..

I couldn't agree more. :word:

I have NOTHING against women in racing...in fact, one of my favorites is Ashley Force Hood in the NHRA...but Danica's arrogance and constant whining are getting really old.

She's done nothing in the Nationwide series, and she's become pretty much of a back marker in the IRL.

I believe her days of any relevence are numbered...its pretty hard to be a spokesperson for a product when you don't produce results.

Captain Vlad 09-12-2010 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Moose (Post 2323113)
She's become pretty much of a back marker in the IRL.

Inaccurate. She's had a very weak year compared to 2009 (where she was 5th in the points and the top non-Penske, non-CG driver), but she's still been running midpack with occasional glimpses of her previous year's performance, which doesn't qualify her as a 'back marker' by any reasonable analysis of her results.

This in no way rules out people not liking her, of course. I just wish people would separate their opinion from her points results. If you wanna talk back-markers, IRL has plenty of drivers who the term fits much, much better.:D

I do agree that she needs to be more aggressive. She's often plenty fast enough to challenge for the top-five or the lead, but as another poster said, she seems skittish about mixing it up. Every once in a while she'll race when she's pissed off and boy can you tell the difference (Texas, this year, probably her best...and 'meanest' drive).

Anyway, to me, she (along with her teammates, actually) is a great symbol of some of what's wrong with the IRL, and I ain't talking about her publicity. That's no worse than Tony Stewart and his Whoppers, in my opinion.

What I mean is the fact that there are a LOT of talented driver's in the IRL who only rarely have a realistic shot at a win due to Penske's and CG's dominance. It happens, but not often enough.

Maybe the new car in 2012 will shake things up a little. I sorta doubt it though.

skipj3 09-12-2010 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Vlad (Post 2323160)
Maybe the new car in 2012 will shake things up a little.

What is this new car you speak of?

Moose 09-12-2010 04:15 PM

Didn't we have this "discussion" before??? ;)

If you really want to argue over the terminology, thats fine, we can do that. My point is, unless you're winning, or consistently challenging for wins, you're pretty much thought of as a "back marker", "mid pack", "also ran", etc., and therefore not very prominent in the minds of fans or sponsors.

You can't avoid the fact that a major reason she is even relevent still, are her looks, and basing that against her on track performance, her looks are a bigger asset to her and sponsors than what she does on the track.

There are a few drivers, who get more recognition from their name, looks, and fan popularity than what they do on the track, ie; Dale Jr., and Danica is another fine example.

As for the new car in 2012, and it improving her performance, I wouldn't bet on it.

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Originally Posted by Captain Vlad (Post 2323160)
Inaccurate. She's had a very weak year compared to 2009 (where she was 5th in the points and the top non-Penske, non-CG driver), but she's still been running midpack with occasional glimpses of her previous year's performance, which doesn't qualify her as a 'back marker' by any reasonable analysis of her results.

This in no way rules out people not liking her, of course. I just wish people would separate their opinion from her points results. If you wanna talk back-markers, IRL has plenty of drivers who the term fits much, much better.:D

I do agree that she needs to be more aggressive. She's often plenty fast enough to challenge for the top-five or the lead, but as another poster said, she seems skittish about mixing it up. Every once in a while she'll race when she's pissed off and boy can you tell the difference (Texas, this year, probably her best...and 'meanest' drive).

Anyway, to me, she (along with her teammates, actually) is a great symbol of some of what's wrong with the IRL, and I ain't talking about her publicity. That's no worse than Tony Stewart and his Whoppers, in my opinion.

What I mean is the fact that there are a LOT of talented driver's in the IRL who only rarely have a realistic shot at a win due to Penske's and CG's dominance. It happens, but not often enough.

Maybe the new car in 2012 will shake things up a little. I sorta doubt it though.


Captain Vlad 09-12-2010 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Moose (Post 2323203)
Didn't we have this "discussion" before??? ;)

We totally did.:D

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My point is, unless you're winning, or consistently challenging for wins, you're pretty much thought of as a "back marker", "mid pack", "also ran", etc., and therefore not very prominent in the minds of fans or sponsors.
Some fans and some sponsors. If winning were everything, two thirds of any given racing series wouldn't be there...as it is, you can find rabid fans of Virgin F1 and Milka Duno, sometimes in decent numbers.

And they really ARE back markers!

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You can't avoid the fact that a major reason she is even relevent still, are her looks, and basing that against her on track performance, her looks are a bigger asset to her and sponsors than what she does on the track.
I will agree that part of the reason for her popularity is that she's hot.:cool:

I won't agree that without that she 'wouldn't be relevant'...because it's not backed up by fact. She's been in the IRL season-end top ten for most of the years she's been racing (she might be this year, too, though she's only got two races to make it happen so I doubt it) and occasionally pulls out some damn fine results.

That would make her "relevant" if she looked like Kurt Busch. She just wouldn't have as many horny male fans or be doing shower commercials.

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There are a few drivers, who get more recognition from their name, looks, and fan popularity than what they do on the track, ie; Dale Jr., and Danica is another fine example.
Sure. But that doesn't make them bad drivers.

If it did, thanks to his popularity with certain middle-aged, female, Dancing With the Stars fans (sorry, Mom), Helio Castroneves would never win another race.;)

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As for the new car in 2012, and it improving her performance, I wouldn't bet on it.
I don't think it'll improve her performance. I don't think it'll improve anyone's performance.

I do think it's possible that having a season or two before all the potential is squeezed out of the new chassis will reduce Penske or CG's dominance somewhat and allow some of the other drivers a chance to show what they can do when the machinery is on a more even playing field.

Marco Andretti would've had a win or two this year, had his car been equal to a Penske. Same with Danica at Texas, Tony Kanaan on Lord-knows how many occasions.

Note I said possible. I don't actually think it's all that likely. But ya' know, I can dream.

Captain Vlad 09-12-2010 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by skipj3 (Post 2323195)
What is this new car you speak of?

First article I found. There's plenty more. Just Google "New 2012 Indycar" or similar.

Moose 09-12-2010 04:48 PM

As before, we'll agree to disagree. You're obviously a fan. I am not.


- 1 win in her entire 6 year career in the IRL
- despite her performance she still has a seat in an upper echelon team

Put her in one of the less well funded/equipped teams, and we'll see how well she does.

Captain Vlad 09-12-2010 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Moose (Post 2323276)
As before, we'll agree to disagree. You're obviously a fan. I am not.

Fan yes, but I don't mind when other people aren't. You can say 'I don't like her, she's a hot-headed nutcase' all you want without me challenging it.

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- 1 win in her entire 6 year career in the IRL
- despite her performance she still has a seat in an upper echelon team
1 win...

...but in the top ten at the end of the season for four out of five seasons (so far), with a rather impressive list of top-tens, and top-fives.

That's a better record that two of her three current teammates.

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Put her in one of the less well funded/equipped teams, and we'll see how well she does.
She was Rahal-Letterman in 2005-06. 12th in the Championship in 2005, but 7th in 2006.

I wouldn't call AGR 'top-tier' though. I call them 'could be' top-tier, or the "best of the rest" I personally think they have too many irons in the fire.

But sure. We can agree to disagree.;)

Moose 09-12-2010 05:08 PM

:emoticon5:

2ndgenz28 10-09-2010 04:45 PM

Another sad race today

though the announcers just said she is having a great day today.


Started 14th and now in 19th place -1 lap as of lap 68.


Thats stock market logic, your stock is down 100 points from its last high, but long as your 3 point higher then yesterday its great.

danhr 10-09-2010 05:00 PM

good driver or bad driver, i think she's a bitch.

GJG 10-09-2010 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28 (Post 2423592)
Another sad race today

though the announcers just said she is having a great day today.


Started 14th and now in 19th place as of lap 68


Thats stock market logic, your stock is down 100 points form its last high, but long as your 3 point higher then yesterday its great.

she is passin lead lap cars and just got the lucky dog.....she is having a great day for a beginner......her car owner could take lessons......but they interview him every week....before and after the race........go figure.....


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