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JWz28 06-05-2007 01:14 PM

Speculation of LS7 being in the 2009 SS
 
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=121028

This 1999 Chevrolet Z28 Camaro is no ordinary used car. It's a freaking street monster; a snarling, mean mother of a street racer that will chew you up and spit you out if you have the temerity to challenge it at a stoplight.

It's powered by a GM Performance Parts (GMPP) LS7 crate motor packing 505 (or more) horsepower, the same engine you'll find under the hood of a Z06 Corvette. In fact, GM Performance Parts built this car because it wants the world to know that the all-aluminum small-block V8 is for sale at any GM dealer's parts counter (or even online).

The other reason the motorheads at GMPP built this beast is because the coming '09 Camaro will probably have an SS edition available, which will be powered by this same engine right off the showroom floor.

Do it! Do it! Do it!

JWz28.

The_Stache 06-05-2007 01:48 PM

Personaly I would be very surprised if the LS7 made its way into the camaro.. Possibly in a 100-1000 production #s, high priced limited edition but you wont be able to pick one up at a dealer unless you plan on paying vette z06 prices after markups..

TAG UR IT 06-05-2007 02:06 PM

Yeah...I wouldn't doubt that someone or some aftermarket company (maybe GMMG builds and delivers to Tom Henry, etc.) builds this and it hits showroom floors. I mean c'mon...someone out there knows if they build it, they will come. And...they'll sell all of them...at a much higher price. I firmly believe it will happen.

Rock36 06-05-2007 02:40 PM

If they do drop in an LS7, that will be the one I want, and the one I insist on getting.

I will cry like I am 8 years old if I can't get it too. I am very bitter about the dealer markup stuff. Yeah yeah, I understand capitalism, and I understand why dealer markups happen, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

kuehjo 06-05-2007 02:56 PM

Hmmm - can you buy an LS7 off the shelf? Wonder what it would take to do a swap - even in smog-concsious California??

Hmmm...

MerF 06-05-2007 04:44 PM

Did you guys read that last paragraph? Exciting quote from a guy at GMMP!

Quote:

"Holy crap!" we exclaimed. "What the freak was that? This should be a production car."

"Stick around for the '09 Camaro launch," was Meyer's response, both of us grinning and trying to catch our breath.

Bait8 06-05-2007 05:16 PM

I still don't believe it will get the LS7 in any version.

3whiterag 06-05-2007 06:06 PM

Once again I am standing in the shadows, listening...... waiting.....wondering......What will happen next? All this excitement and for free too!

kuehjo 06-05-2007 06:11 PM

Hmmm! Well there you go. An LS7 short block can be had for $6800 or so. So a swap would be EMINENTLY doable (if you can get it past the smog police). Are the heads different too? How much more is that gonna add? Definitely an option, though...

3whiterag 06-05-2007 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWz28 (Post 12771)
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=121028

This 1999 Chevrolet Z28 Camaro is no ordinary used car. It's a freaking street monster; a snarling, mean mother of a street racer that will chew you up and spit you out if you have the temerity to challenge it at a stoplight.

It's powered by a GM Performance Parts (GMPP) LS7 crate motor packing 505 (or more) horsepower, the same engine you'll find under the hood of a Z06 Corvette. In fact, GM Performance Parts built this car because it wants the world to know that the all-aluminum small-block V8 is for sale at any GM dealer's parts counter (or even online).

The other reason the motorheads at GMPP built this beast is because the coming '09 Camaro will probably have an SS edition available, which will be powered by this same engine right off the showroom floor.

Do it! Do it! Do it!

JWz28.

LS7 is old news, maybe an LSA?

ChevyNut 06-05-2007 07:02 PM

I was on GMPP and found out that they also put one in an 06 GTO.

http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/Racing/ls7_gto.jsp

Mr. Wyndham 06-05-2007 07:06 PM

I can see it, but it will be the equivalant of a Shelby, an expensive, suped-up Muscle Car.

JWz28 06-06-2007 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3whiterag (Post 12797)
LS7 is old news, maybe an LSA?

OK 3....Inquiring minds want to know. What are you wrenching on right now and what is in the works? You can whisper, I won't tell anyone. You're killing me.

If you were a betting man, what engine do you think the top performing Camaro will get? If not the LS7 then how about the rumored 600HP 2009 CTS-V S/C power plant.

Either way I could be happy.

JWz28.

Rock36 06-06-2007 01:30 PM

Man 3whiterag has got the info, but he is just a big tease.

LSxcellent 06-06-2007 02:14 PM

I still don't buy it...

Even though Motortrend.com is saying the new CTS-V is going to have a supercharged LS7, I just don't buy it. It doesn't make much sense.

The LS7 is bored out as far as possible to get as many cubes into it as possible, and it is designed as a naturally aspirated engine. The CTS-V is going to be supercharged, which changes EVERYTHING about the engine design... I just don't think the LS7 is the right way to go.

If I were a betting man, I'd wager that the Corvette Z07, the CTS-V, and the Camaro Z28 will all use a supercharged version of the 6.2L LS3 block reinforced for supercharged-duty. This makes a LOT more sense to me.... why?

-The cylinder walls need to be thicker for forced intake engines due to much higher cylinder pressures, the LS7 is bored out too far to support these loads (IMHO).

-The LS7 is already at the limit of its design, it is derived from the C6R racing program which forced them to use a NA engine (due to racing rules). The LS3 is not constrained by this so it would be easier to design in the right supports.

-The supercharger needs to be integrated into the engine valley, the LS7 is already a pretty big engine and I don't know if there is enough room.

-The LS7 is an EXPENSIVE engine due to its use of Titanium connecting rods, forged pistons, etc... I think its TOO expensive for general use in all of these other platforms (Cadillac & Camaro).

That all being said, I would be PSYCHED if they figured out a way to do it... I think the LS7 is one of the best engines on the planet and I would ABSOLUTELY buy one if it were offered in the Camaro!

Either way, GM powertrain engineers are just freaking nuts... 600hp in a Caddy?! SURE! 700hp Corvette?! WHY NOT! I LOVE IT!

All I want is a 600hp Camaro and all will be right with the world!

~LSx

JWz28 06-06-2007 02:32 PM

LSx:

I could work with a 6.2 S/C w/ 600 hp. :) Especially with a 5 yr. 100,000 mile warranty.

As far as cost goes for the engine, suspension and other goodies...it's all a matter of cost accounting. These parts have already been developed or are being develped for use in other cars and the more units of production that they can use them on, the quicker the General recoups the cost of development, drives down the cost of production and more competitively prices the car. I think it's brilliant that they are potentially using techonolgies from the Vette, GTO / Holden and Caddie in the new Camaro...use the best balance of parts from each and spread the cost of production. The end result is a new world beast of a Camaro at a competitive price.

JWz28.

TFord 06-06-2007 03:22 PM

the possibility of a LS7 in a SS Camaro is'nt that far off. SS camaro usually have had base model vette engines in them. In 09, 2010 corvette is going to the C7 series and GM says that base model vettes will have LS7's in them. so why wouldent camaro ss have LS7's in them. besides the price of them of course. a brand new LS7 costs about 15-17K, and I dont have a clue how much the tranny costs. But I did just see a commercial for a cadillac cts-v thats 600hp with a LS7 engine. so the possibility is there


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