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Enator 05-03-2011 11:25 AM

April 2011 Camaro Sales and Production Figures
 
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April 2011 Delivery (sales) Stats:

Camaro April 2011 Deliveries (actual sales): 10,852
Total Deliveries in 2011: 30,824

April 2011 Production Stats:

Camaros Produced in April 2011: 8,109
Total Model Year 2011 Camaros produced to date: 85,094

Compared to Competition:

Mustang sold 8,180 units in April 2011
Challenger sold 3,617 units in April 2011

Tallboy 05-03-2011 11:28 AM

Gotta adjust your graph to read five digits. Looks like sales were 1085.

Zimm 05-03-2011 11:30 AM

One of those was mine! Booyah!!!

Enator 05-03-2011 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tallboy (Post 3175037)
Gotta adjust your graph to read five digits. Looks like sales were 1085.

Done ;)

Tallboy 05-03-2011 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Enator (Post 3175057)
Done ;)

:)

That makes April the best sales month so far and first over 10K units!! :w00t:

javierrflores 05-03-2011 11:36 AM

sweet

Edge.128 05-03-2011 11:37 AM

sweet news!!! likely due to the vert getting out there more and more, and also with ZL1 on the way and more synergy editions its looking better and better all the time!!

armysig 05-03-2011 11:41 AM

Dang, add a vert to the mix and numbers really start to jump. :thumbup: I bet GM is LOVE'n it right now.

nukemustang 05-03-2011 11:44 AM

I helped increase the numbers!!! :headbang::happyanim:

Way to go GM :clap: on you best month yet!!!

b4z 05-03-2011 11:56 AM

Either my dealer is building inventory for the Summer or we are going to see some incentives soon. He has 26 Camaros!
But the Camaro did whip up on the Mustang pretty badly.
Might we see a 12,000 or even 15,000 sales month next year?

PAUL SS 05-03-2011 11:58 AM

I wonder what the breakdown is on the assembly line, coupe/convertible.

Augie1978 05-03-2011 11:58 AM

+1

thePill 05-03-2011 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by b4z (Post 3175148)
Either my dealer is building inventory for the Summer or we are going to see some incentives soon. He has 26 Camaros!
But the Camaro did whip up on the Mustang pretty badly.
Might we see a 12,000 or even 15,000 sales month next year?

We won't ever see 12,000 deliveries in a month, April sales will be the peak for the entire year and 10,000 units is pretty high. When ever the 2012 order banks open, you will see a decrease in sales. This should be happening soon because MY12 should start in the beginning of June. I think the incentives should pick up this month on the 2010 Camaro's that are left. Incentives on just the 2010's will stabilize the incoming slump as dealers close out 2011 orders and customers wait for the 2012's. The Mustang is doing incredible for an 8 year old model, 8,000 units a month is unbelievable at this point but Mustang sales are unstable throughout the year. The Camaro is enjoying the pent up demand sales surge but that pent up demand for the convertible is literally destroying the coupe's sales and production. Most of those verts are probably V6's... I did some quick math last month and I figured 50% of Camaro production was convertibles and the Camaro V6 to V8 ratio was 60/40 the last time I heard.

Sales next month will either remain at 10,000 or dip back to March numbers. As soon as the 2012 order banks open, special orders will stop and the only sales will be those that are on the lot. There are a lot of Camaro's out there to pick up and incentives will help get those 2010's moving. Gas prices will affect sales later on as most of the sales numbers we see today were orders made months ago and the unsuspecting customers are receiving their Camaro's now. Convertible sales and production on the Mustang side are very low compared to the coupe and the V8's are almost 50/50 with the V6's but that includes the 5000+ GT500's. Right now, the Camaro's sales have increased by 50% since the convertible was made available and with the new 324hp V6 coming in the summer and the automatic making up 66% of sales... the LS3 may become a rare sight...

Edit: Model year 2012 begins mid July not in June.. my bad...

cab2g 05-03-2011 12:37 PM

ouch that has to hurt for Ford.

b4z 05-03-2011 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by thePill (Post 3175256)
We won't ever see 12,000 deliveries in a month, April sales will be the peak for the entire year and 10,000 units is pretty high. When ever the 2012 order banks open, you will see a decrease in sales. This should be happening soon because MY12 should start in the beginning of June. I think the incentives should pick up this month on the 2010 Camaro's that are left. Incentives on just the 2010's will stabilize the incoming slump as dealers close out 2011 orders and customers wait for the 2012's. The Mustang is doing incredible for an 8 year old model, 8,000 units a month is unbelievable at this point but Mustang sales are unstable throughout the year. The Camaro is enjoying the pent up demand sales surge but that pent up demand for the convertible is literally destroying the coupe's sales and production. Most of those verts are probably V6's... I did some quick math last month and I figured 50% of Camaro production was convertibles and the Camaro V6 to V8 ratio was 60/40 the last time I heard.

Sales next month will either remain at 10,000 or dip back to March numbers. As soon as the 2012 order banks open, special orders will stop and the only sales will be those that are on the lot. There are a lot of Camaro's out there to pick up and incentives will help get those 2010's moving. Gas prices will affect sales later on as most of the sales numbers we see today were orders made months ago and the unsuspecting customers are receiving their Camaro's now. Convertible sales and production on the Mustang side are very low compared to the coupe and the V8's are almost 50/50 with the V6's but that includes the 5000+ GT500's. Right now, the Camaro's sales have increased by 50% since the convertible was made available and with the new 324hp V6 coming in the summer and the automatic making up 66% of sales... the LS3 may become a rare sight...

You meant 2011 i think. As the economy improves and the Zl1 comes out we could definitely see 12,000 sold in 2012. Although i suspect Zl1s will only be in 15,000 or less a year sales range.

thePill 05-03-2011 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by b4z (Post 3175313)
You meant 2011 i think. As the economy improves and the Zl1 comes out we could definitely see 12,000 sold in 2012. Although i suspect Zl1s will only be in 15,000 or less a year sales range.

The ZL1 won't be tipping the scales dramatically, If they took 7500 pre-orders for the ZL1 (unlikely) and produced and shipped them all at once those ZL1's would cannibalize the total Camaro production. Oshawa can only produce 10,000 Camaro's a month comfortably... the more ZL1's they make, the less regular Camaro's they can make and sales numbers would be the same. Oshawa is already running 3 shifts, there isn't much more they can do... and you still have to worry about QC's too. If GM put incentives on those 2010's then maybe they could break 11k but just pumping out 10,000 Camaro's and selling 12,000 won't cut it. It's safe to say that every single sell we see over the average 5000 sales in Jan/Feb are special order convertibles. Next month sales will be a bit lower, June will be lower yet as special orders are taken on the new 2012's. By the time the ZL1 comes out, the coupe sales will be at an all time low, the vert sales in the winter will be almost zero and the 2000 or so initial ZL1 sales will bring them up to where the Camaro's sales were at in Jan 2011.

When a new model is introduced in the lineup, those production numbers have to come from somewhere. High gas prices will have the V6 eating into the V8's production, Convertibles will eat into the Coupe, the ZL1 will eat into the base cars production... We were lead to believe that the introduction of a new model would stack sales on top of the existing sales but that is incorrect... In order to sell and produce convertibles you have to halt production on the coupe because Oshawa is already at the maximum production capacity. Ford only works a single shift at Flatrock, it is physically impossible for them to sell any more Mustang's but if they had to, they could add a second shift to meet demand.. but they won't have to, the demand for the Mustang that has sold almost 800,000 units is naturally falling... Everyone has had an S197 Mustang... who is still buying these (other than the Boss and GT500) is beyond me...

Edit: Your dealer is building inventory for the summer.

Edit #2: I do not think the ZL1 will see 15,000 built in the first year. The production will probably be similar to the GT500 at or around 5000. If you take a poll from this website to get a good idea of just how many people even care about the ZL1 (like the "who wants an automatic ZL1" poll), you will see that only about 2000 Camaro enthusiast are even remotely interested in the ZL1. Only 25% of those will actually buy one and that leaves the impulse buyers (which make up the majority of sales) to fill in the blanks. It wouldn't surprise me if only 3-4000k ZL1's were sold next year. Gas prices, the high MSRP and dealer mark-up will limit the sales.. and a winter release will help with a slow start as well...

Blue Maro Demon 05-03-2011 01:17 PM

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE CAMARO TEAM !!!!!! AND CONGRATULATIONS TO CHEVROLET FOR SELLING A RECORD NUMBER OF CAMAROS FOR MY BIRTHDAY MONTH OF APRIL!!!!! THE MOMENTUM WILL CONTINUE & MUSTANG WILL CONTINUE TO BE OUTSOLD!:thumbup::chevy::chevy::chevy::chevy::chev y:

b4z 05-03-2011 01:19 PM

Well, yeah i agree with you on all points. I do think that the improvements to the Mustang have pushed it to a price point that it is no longer as affordable to the average guy. I think in the '80s and '90s the Camaro was always more expensive and there were a lot of 4cylinder Mustangs running around which helped their sales numbers because of their affordability.
The Musangs at my local dealer all have Limited Availability dealer markups on top of the incentives.

Edge.128 05-03-2011 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thePill (Post 3175256)
We won't ever see 12,000 deliveries in a month, April sales will be the peak for the entire year and 10,000 units is pretty high. When ever the 2012 order banks open, you will see a decrease in sales. This should be happening soon because MY12 should start in the beginning of June. I think the incentives should pick up this month on the 2010 Camaro's that are left. Incentives on just the 2010's will stabilize the incoming slump as dealers close out 2011 orders and customers wait for the 2012's. The Mustang is doing incredible for an 8 year old model, 8,000 units a month is unbelievable at this point but Mustang sales are unstable throughout the year. The Camaro is enjoying the pent up demand sales surge but that pent up demand for the convertible is literally destroying the coupe's sales and production. Most of those verts are probably V6's... I did some quick math last month and I figured 50% of Camaro production was convertibles and the Camaro V6 to V8 ratio was 60/40 the last time I heard.

Sales next month will either remain at 10,000 or dip back to March numbers. As soon as the 2012 order banks open, special orders will stop and the only sales will be those that are on the lot. There are a lot of Camaro's out there to pick up and incentives will help get those 2010's moving. Gas prices will affect sales later on as most of the sales numbers we see today were orders made months ago and the unsuspecting customers are receiving their Camaro's now. Convertible sales and production on the Mustang side are very low compared to the coupe and the V8's are almost 50/50 with the V6's but that includes the 5000+ GT500's. Right now, the Camaro's sales have increased by 50% since the convertible was made available and with the new 324hp V6 coming in the summer and the automatic making up 66% of sales... the LS3 may become a rare sight...


this is full of fail

thePill 05-03-2011 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Edge.128 (Post 3175624)
this is full of fail

Let me know what is wrong with the figures, I would like to hear what you are thinking other than a sentence fragment without any intelligent feedback...

halo8hkk 05-03-2011 08:37 PM

Niceeeeee. It's good to be on top:D gratz to the camaro team:chevy:

floyd haughton 05-03-2011 08:49 PM

grt 2 see the camaro do so well a grt car for the $$$$$

ribs1958 05-04-2011 08:20 AM

Production
 
Oshawa is on 2 shifts of production...... I work on assembly line

thePill 05-04-2011 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ribs1958 (Post 3178409)
Oshawa is on 2 shifts of production...... I work on assembly line

Really, when did they cut back? last fall?

Edit: can't be last fall, GM added a 3rd shift to the Equinox in October... maybe winter then... and it looks like there were two additional shifts added to the Camaro line in February http://www.autonorth.ca/home/2011/2/...in-oshawa.html

I can't see GM being able to keep a 10,000 unit production tempo with just one shift, it would be awesome if they could though...

Edit #2: While your on here and since you work at the plant, what is the coupe to convertible ratio now? I figured about 50/50 last month... how close was I?

TheClassicCarKid 05-04-2011 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thePill (Post 3175256)
We won't ever see 12,000 deliveries in a month, April sales will be the peak for the entire year and 10,000 units is pretty high. When ever the 2012 order banks open, you will see a decrease in sales. This should be happening soon because MY12 should start in the beginning of June. I think the incentives should pick up this month on the 2010 Camaro's that are left. Incentives on just the 2010's will stabilize the incoming slump as dealers close out 2011 orders and customers wait for the 2012's. The Mustang is doing incredible for an 8 year old model, 8,000 units a month is unbelievable at this point but Mustang sales are unstable throughout the year. The Camaro is enjoying the pent up demand sales surge but that pent up demand for the convertible is literally destroying the coupe's sales and production. Most of those verts are probably V6's... I did some quick math last month and I figured 50% of Camaro production was convertibles and the Camaro V6 to V8 ratio was 60/40 the last time I heard.

Its had about as substantial of a reworking over those 8 years as a car's going to get, but I agree it's unbelievable 8,000 Mustangs were sold last month ;) Great month for the manufacturers for sure :w00t:

Out of curiosity Pill, why do you think so many people are still special ordering Camaros? I would think that the percentage of people ordering from the factory would be almost insignificant at this point.


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