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frodo 09-28-2007 08:07 AM

Engine/trim level speculation
 
I was just thinking, and I think I have a good speculation of which engines might be avalable with each trim level.

LS- 3.6L V6 ~250hp
LT- 3.6L DI V6 ~300hp
LTZ- 6.0L V8 ~360hp
Z/28- 6.2L V8 ~430hp
SS- 6.2L S/C V8 ~500-600hp

What do you think?

DGthe3 09-28-2007 08:30 AM

These things have been discussed in other threads, along with potential prices for each. It keeps getting said around here 'the search button is your friend'.
Aside from that, I do not expect to see 5 different engines, or at least 5 different power levels for the engines

Mr. Wyndham 09-28-2007 08:50 AM

I don't think we'll see an "LTZ" trim, that's usually reserved for the 'luxury'-end of passenger vehicles, but it's a possibility. Maybe a couple LT trims - and then Z/28, possibly SS (right off)...then later the special edition/super Camaro. God only knows what hp we'll see...

The_Stache 09-28-2007 09:46 AM

Read my signature...

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BRNLKY2 09-28-2007 10:14 AM

Designer claims three engines......
 
They better not have 2 v-6 engines for this car. You want three engines; Camaro RS gets a v-6, Camaro Z-28 gets the LS2, Camaro SS gets the LS3. This should not be a car for family based, middle aged women who are tying to hold on to some false self image they hold of themselves. If GM turns this into a bitch car I will have officially lost what little,if any, respect I have for Bob Lutz. Hey Bobbie, you are 5 years late to the ball, you better make a hell of an entrance when you finally show up.

DGthe3 09-28-2007 10:17 AM

;)
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Originally Posted by BRNLKY2 (Post 25012)
They better not have 2 v-6 engines for this car. You want three engines; Camaro RS gets a v-6, Camaro Z-28 gets the LS2, Camaro SS gets the LS3. This should not be a car for family based, middle aged women who are tying to hold on to some false self image they hold of themselves. If GM turns this into a bitch car I will have officially lost what little,if any, respect I have for Bob Lutz. Hey Bobbie, you are 5 years late to the ball, you better make a hell of an entrance when you finally show up.

Hellofa first post there. Welcome to the site, and I feel that we need not worry that this becomes a 'girly car', though it may attract the ladies . . .
;)

alleykt123 09-28-2007 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BRNLKY2 (Post 25012)
…This should not be a car for family based, middle aged women who are tying to hold on to some false self image they hold of themselves…

Whoa! If I resembled 2 out of 3 of those comments, I would have to hunt you down and… well, nevermind!

:sm0:

Mr. Wyndham 09-28-2007 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BRNLKY2 (Post 25012)
They better not have 2 v-6 engines for this car. You want three engines; Camaro RS gets a v-6, Camaro Z-28 gets the LS2, Camaro SS gets the LS3. This should not be a car for family based, middle aged women who are tying to hold on to some false self image they hold of themselves. If GM turns this into a bitch car I will have officially lost what little,if any, respect I have for Bob Lutz. Hey Bobbie, you are 5 years late to the ball, you better make a hell of an entrance when you finally show up.

Wow! Well, welcome.

But please remember that, if this doesn't appeal to families, then it's not going to sell. If it doesn't sell, then it'll be killed, if it's killed then nobody will have respect for GM...

Don't worry, there will be 2 V6's. That's the only item I've seen all the execs agree on. :thumbsup: ;) the v6's WILL apeal to families, and young people (women, and men included). And we will have our V8. it'll be fun...it'll be scary...and Camaro will live again!:headbang:

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that this isn't going to be an enthusiast's car. It'll give us what we want, but the bulk of Camaro sales will rely on those who want V6's. And offering 2 v6 variations will even more broadly appeal to those folks...:w00t:

Power Junkie 09-28-2007 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye (Post 25003)
...then later the special edition/super Camaro. God only knows what hp we'll see...

Ummmm stop your making me
http://www.dgemu.com/forums/html/emoticons/drool.gif

It's a real git that i'm gonna have to wait, but it just means i can save up enough beer tokens to afford it / petrol for the wee beastie!!!

Pencil.Fight 09-28-2007 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Power Junkie (Post 25043)
It's a real git that i'm gonna have to wait, but it just means i can save up enough beer tokens to afford it / petrol for the wee beastie!!!

Ha ha, I love it!

Mr. Wyndham 09-28-2007 12:35 PM

I wanna make you drool more....30mpg....:D

BRNLKY2 10-01-2007 03:59 PM

My bad......I tend to start at that line most people don't want to cross.

I realize to catch up with the "one horse show" they will have to sell alot of pinks and blues, but damn......if it won't stomp a mustang or challenger hands down, it will be like......well the CUBS going to the playoffs. Alot of people getting excited for nothing. I loved my 98' SS for the simple fact that I never worried about a Mustang at a stop light. I guess only time will tell. I hate leaving my happiness and bliss in the hands of Bob Putz. The GTO didnt fail because it was too expensive......It was ugly. It looked like a dodge avenger. My mom loved it, as did the rest of the soccer moms. A bad ass engine in a mid 90's Monte Carlo isnt going to sell to a generation of men that think round imports are crap. If you go back and look at the origional shop dwgs. for the GTO, it was damn similar to the camaro now. Would have been out the same time as the mustang, would have sold like crazy. Swap the front ends for the sister car, the camaro would have never left. Thank you Bob Putz for letting bean counters ruin a great American Car.

Mr. Wyndham 10-01-2007 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BRNLKY2 (Post 25323)
My bad......I tend to start at that line most people don't want to cross. No Big deal, we all tend to do it.:thumbsup:

I realize to catch up with the "one horse show" they will have to sell alot of pinks and blues, but damn......if it won't stomp a mustang or challenger hands down, it will be like......well the CUBS going to the playoffs.
Oh, it will. "...Plant an old man's ass in the seat." ~fbodfather

...I loved my 98' SS for the simple fact that I never worried about a Mustang at a stop light.
That might be due in part to the fact it's an SS. Would you feel the same way if it was a V6 of the same year?

I guess only time will tell. I hate leaving my happiness and bliss in the hands of Bob Putz.
FYI, it's almost all thanks to him that Camaro is back...and we like him, 'Putz' doesn't sit well with me (but who am I?:iono:)
The GTO didnt fail because it was too expensive......It was ugly. It looked like a dodge avenger. My mom loved it, as did the rest of the soccer moms. A bad ass engine in a mid 90's Monte Carlo isnt going to sell to a generation of men that think round imports are crap. If you go back and look at the origional shop dwgs.
Not true. The GTO has been complimented on it's looks, by magazines, and car review sites alike. The onlything against it was that it probably could have gone without the "GTO" badge. Its problem was overpricing, and poor product placement. They miscalculated where the majority of the limitedly produced cars should go, so those who wanted to buy them, couldn't, and those who didn't want to, didn't. The Goat was a baddass car, and though my first impression was..."that's a GTO?":eek: I soon realized that the name doesn't make a car, the bottom line was that it flew!
Thank you Bob Putz for letting bean counters ruin a great American Car.
Again, that's not nice.

I couldn't help myself, the fingers just kept going, and going - even though I was biting my arm...:eek::iono:

Pencil.Fight 10-02-2007 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye (Post 25344)
I couldn't help myself, the fingers just kept going, and going - even though I was biting my arm...:eek::iono:

That's alright Dragon, somebody had to say it. :thumbsup:

BRNLKY2 10-03-2007 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by BRNLKY2
My bad......I tend to start at that line most people don't want to cross. No Big deal, we all tend to do it.

I realize to catch up with the "one horse show" they will have to sell alot of pinks and blues, but damn......if it won't stomp a mustang or challenger hands down, it will be like......well the CUBS going to the playoffs.
Oh, it will. "...Plant an old man's ass in the seat." ~fbodfather Hope we are talking about the car and not the playoffs.

...I loved my 98' SS for the simple fact that I never worried about a Mustang at a stop light.
That might be due in part to the fact it's an SS. Would you feel the same way if it was a V6 of the same year? Why in the hell would you buy a V-6 Camaro. Thats like an 18" baseball bat........sure the concept is there but not very functional.
I guess only time will tell. I hate leaving my happiness and bliss in the hands of Bob Putz.
FYI, it's almost all thanks to him that Camaro is back...and we like him, 'Putz' doesn't sit well with me (but who am I?)Ok I get it he's the hero....go back three years when HE said retro cars were a fad and he would never endorse one. You maybe right he brought it back, but the delay is definately on him.
The GTO didnt fail because it was too expensive......It was ugly. It looked like a dodge avenger. My mom loved it, as did the rest of the soccer moms. A bad ass engine in a mid 90's Monte Carlo isnt going to sell to a generation of men that think round imports are crap. If you go back and look at the origional shop dwgs.
Not true. The GTO has been complimented on it's looks, by magazines, and car review sites alike. The onlything against it was that it probably could have gone without the "GTO" badge. Its problem was overpricing, and poor product placement.You are right the car was sharp....as a 97-02 two door Grand Prix They miscalculated where the majority of the limitedly produced cars should go, so those who wanted to buy them, couldn't, and those who didn't want to, didn't. The Goat was a baddass car, and though my first impression was..."that's a GTO?" I soon realized that the name doesn't make a car, the bottom line was that it flew!
Thank you Bob Putz for letting bean counters ruin a great American Car.
Again, that's not nice.Again, sorry didnt realize he was "The Man" around here.

Mr. Wyndham 10-03-2007 03:38 PM

"Maximum Bob"...He is the man...

:laugh: and Scott was talking about the Camaro(not the playoffs), that's why I'm not worried. :thumbsup:

I wouldn't necessarily buy a V6 Camaro, only because I fell in love with the American V8 long ago...but to others(especially younger buyers), it's a sharp looking car they want...not the insane power numbers. I say insane, because that's what they are (V8's), the V6's of today have respectible hp numbers: (3.9 w/ 250 +/-, and especially the 3.9 w/DI 300 +/-) :eek:

Plus, not everybody has the insurance, or the money upfront to purchase a V8 Camaro (or any V8 car). That's a good thing, because it's those people who will be making up the majority of Camaro buyers. :iono:

And, to finish my rant;)...V6 Camaro, V8 Camaro, V12 Camaro, I4 camaro...does it matter? A Camaro is a Camaro - and when it comes right down to it, it's the name and the heritage that people remember and cherish initially, not the engines.

DGthe3 10-03-2007 03:51 PM

To answer some of those points you brought up
Yes he was talking about the car

People will buy the V6 because it is cheaper and looks just as cool. the majority of car buyers don't care about performance.

The styling of a car depends on who's looking at it. some like smooth curves, others like hard lines. the new GTO didn't really stand out when you looked at it, it looked like most other pontiacs, different size same shape, and many other cars on the road. most that don't care about looks couldn't afford the car, and few people really knew about the car in the first place.

Lastly, i don't see Bob Lutz contradicting himself by saying he won't endorse retro cars. The new camaro is modern in every sense. it is inspired by the classic 69 camaro but nobody will say that it looks retro.

Pencil.Fight 10-03-2007 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3 (Post 25554)
Lastly, i don't see Bob Lutz contradicting himself by saying he won't endorse retro cars. The new camaro is modern in every sense. it is inspired by the classic 69 camaro but nobody will say that it looks retro.

Exactly. In fact, unless they've spent a lot of time around the 1969 Camaro, most people don't even see any retro in the concept at all.

35th02ss 10-04-2007 01:36 PM

I don't think you'll see three V-8 options.....And I hate to tell yea but GM is looking at women buyers along with the younger buyer. I can see them building two V-6 options for the simple fact cost and insurance. The younger buyer cannot afford the insurance and price of the V-8 car and most female buyers don't care......Look at the Mustang sales numbers.

Plus the fact could you picture the face on the Mustang GT driver that just lost to a V-6 Camaro......Classic

AirGoya 10-04-2007 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 35th02ss (Post 25624)
Plus the fact could you picture the face on the Mustang GT driver that just lost to a V-6 Camaro......Classic

YESSS!!!! I thought i was the only one thinking about that.
CANT WAIT!:burnrubber:

TAG UR IT 10-05-2007 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 35th02ss (Post 25624)
I don't think you'll see three V-8 options.....And I hate to tell yea but GM is looking at women buyers along with the younger buyer. I can see them building two V-6 options for the simple fact cost and insurance. The younger buyer cannot afford the insurance and price of the V-8 car and most female buyers don't care......Look at the Mustang sales numbers.

Plus the fact could you picture the face on the Mustang GT driver that just lost to a V-6 Camaro......Classic

Exactly. Completely agree.


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