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monstertodd 10-03-2011 04:32 AM

Are we giving up on the Z28?
 
So, I'm feeling a bit disheartened that there has been no news whatsoever from GM regarding the Z/28.

I feel like the Z/28 is such a storied nameplate in GM history, and I just can't understand why GM is pretty much "ignoring" it.

Should I give up any hope that there will ever be a Z/28 5th gen?

Is the ZL-1 "it"?

The ZL-1 seems like it should be the top dog, and the Z/28 should be in the middle between the ZL-1 and the SS.

If there was ever going to be a Z/28, why wouldn't they release that one first, and save the ZL-1 for last? Is it more important for GM to have a GT500 fighter, vice a Boss 302 fighter? (seems like that's where the Z/28 should fit in)

To GM: I get it, there are only a certain amount of resources to allocate the development of so many models. I understand the historical significance of the ZL-1 nameplate. However, I think you are missing the mark on this one. IMHO, the Z/28 name means so much more, to a much wider demographic of customer, than the ZL-1 will. Many people know about the original ZL-1, and they know of the significance of it, but MOST people do not.

Even non car enthusiasts have heard of the Z/28 and can tell you what it is. You can't say the same thing about the ZL-1.

I will close with this: GM, thank you for giving us the 5th gen Camaro. It's a magnificent piece of automotive art. Thank you for developing the ZL-1 and bringing it to market, I think it will also be a grand slam home run to a certain customer demographic. But for me, and I'm sure many others, the lack of a Z/28 in the product lineup is an extremely big ugly sore spot. :mad0260:

Rant over, please return to your regularly scheduled thread. :D

2SSJIM 10-03-2011 04:41 AM

I'm sure GM will come up with a Z28 Model in the near future so don't give up yet.

monstertodd 10-03-2011 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 2SSJIM (Post 3833206)
I'm sure GM will come up with a Z28 Model in the near future so don't give up yet.

I just hope we don't have to wait till the 6th gen Camaro to see the Z/28 again. :chevy:

2SSJIM 10-03-2011 04:50 AM

I think it will come out sooner than that but here is a thought, will it be a car version or an option package? Hopefully a car version but whatever they do, I'm sure it will be pretty awesome.

monstertodd 10-03-2011 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 2SSJIM (Post 3833213)
I think it will come out sooner than that but here is a thought, will it be a car version or an option package? Hopefully a car version but whatever they do, I'm sure it will be pretty awesome.

Indeed, you are right. I think it would have cheapened it if they'd released a Z/28 "appearance package" like the RS ap.

2SSJIM 10-03-2011 05:01 AM

True, but I truly believe that GM will create a Camaro worthy of the Z28 name but I do not envy the folks on the design board for they have one tough job to do with that one. However, I think it will learn toward competing with the Boss302.

armysig 10-03-2011 08:57 AM

Have you guys thought that GM may have a trick up their sleeve? Maybe they are retooling the LS3/L99 engine and then give the possible Z-28 the Magnetic Ride from the Zl-1. Tell me that wouldn't be a track beast.

LOWDOWN 10-03-2011 09:01 AM

"Giving up?"

Oh yee of little faith!

There are far more reasons to do it than to NOT do it. It's "simply" a matter of time...to complete the Project before the clock runs out...

As to an "unworthy" Z/28, I assure you that will NOT happen. It'll either be "right", or the name won't be used...

Stay tuned...

Gramps69Z 10-03-2011 09:50 AM

I believe this time next year my Victory Red with white stripes Z/28 will be ordered. :chevy:

Jabs 10-03-2011 09:54 AM

The SS has 400 and 426 HP while the ZL1 get 580, that's 150-180 HP different.

There has to be something in the middle around 500 HP! Z28! :D
Just my thoughts...

2cnd chance 10-03-2011 10:12 AM

Please join us in the thread titled ZL1 - LSA - MR + LS7 + Pedders = Z28
It will give you the understanding that we are not and will not give up. EVER!!

el ess A 10-03-2011 10:22 AM

With the upcoming launch of the baddest Camaro ever, GM isn't going to add in anything to distract from a car so close to being able to be ordered and likely, at least initially, will be high in demand and interest.

Recall, GM is a business that needs to sell cars to survive as the bottom line. We WANT GM to succeed, so you don't want to . And marketing gurus know that if you really want people to want something, you hold it just out of reach and make available slightly less than the demand, at least initially. Otherwise, you'd might as well have a Firebird too competing for your dollars. GM isn't going to do that, so we have to wait.

Once the ZL1 is in the showrooms for a bit, I'm sure there will be discussions of a new model/edition on the way, and Z/28 seems like a natural fit, but we'll just have to wait and see. I have faith.

DevilsReject97 10-03-2011 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by monstertodd (Post 3833210)
I just hope we don't have to wait till the 6th gen Camaro to see the Z/28 again. :chevy:

This^^^

GM isn't going to debut the Z28 on the 5th gen...

2cnd chance 10-03-2011 11:18 AM

The ZL1 will produce a demand it CAN meet. It will also produce a demand it CAN'T meet. That is a more attainable pricepoint. Many will want the high performing ZL1 however it will be too pricey for some. Enter a more moderate priced higher performing Camaro the Z28.

ShnOmac 10-03-2011 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilsReject97 (Post 3834019)

GM isn't going to debut the Z28 on the 5th gen...

And how do you know this?

DevilsReject97 10-03-2011 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ShnOmac (Post 3834234)
And how do you know this?

Why debut a model on a car set for replacement in less than 3 years? That's pretty much the one reason I can find.

Not to mention, if they debuted a car that was virtually the same as say a current SS while being 200-300lbs lighter....you'd have a huge uproar as to why the car couldn't have been that light to begin with...

Gramps69Z 10-03-2011 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97 (Post 3834019)
This^^^

GM isn't going to debut the Z28 on the 5th gen...

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th,------6th...... I don't think so! :chevy:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShnOmac (Post 3834234)
And how do you know this?

Mac, I doubt he was sitting in the board room. ;)

Gramps69Z 10-03-2011 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilsReject97 (Post 3834321)
Why debut a model on a car set for replacement in less than 3 years? That's pretty much the one reason I can find.

Not to mention, if they debuted a car that was virtually the same as say a current SS while being 200-300lbs lighter....you'd have a huge uproar as to why the car couldn't have been that light to begin with...

The new Z/28 will not be the same as a SS.


SS-Z/28-ZL1

DevilsReject97 10-03-2011 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WYKOFF69Z (Post 3834371)
The new Z/28 will not be the same as a SS.


SS-Z/28-ZL1

That's kind of my point. The new 6th Gen is pretty much going to be smaller anyways, so it makes more sense to see it there. Also, it's not the first time the Z-28 was dropped or not carried for a set number of years.

LOWDOWN 10-03-2011 12:30 PM

This dawg has been run through the briars and the brambles...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149090

Defined as either a 1SS with selected ZL1 content OR a de-contented/re-engined ZL1, with superior power-to-weight compared to a BOSS (which means at least 475 hp, normally aspirated), and undergoing "parallel development" with the ZL1 as we speak (front-opening hood scoop on one "ZL1" mule; who sez all those ZL1 mules have MR?) is far from out of the question...

MY '13/'14/'15 still await the Gen-5 Camaro...so there's still time for Z/28 maturation...

Gramps69Z 10-03-2011 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilsReject97 (Post 3834410)
That's kind of my point. The new 6th Gen is pretty much going to be smaller anyways, so it makes more sense to see it there. Also, it's not the first time the Z-28 was dropped or not carried for a set number of years.

:bangdesk::bangdesk::bangdesk::bangdesk:


There has been a Z/28 in every generation.
Why not a 5th gen.?

Cam#7 10-03-2011 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WYKOFF69Z (Post 3834520)
:bangdesk::bangdesk::bangdesk::bangdesk:


There has been a Z/28 in every generation.
Why not a 5th gen.?

Has there been a ZL1 every generation? No

We won't know why the Z28 didn't come before the ZL1 until they do. We can only speculate. Maybe sales are too strong on the SS and they were afraid a Z28 would take away from those sales. A large percentage of Z28 owners are going to be SS and LT owners that are looking to upgrade after a couple of years.

We sure don't have much information on the next generation Corvette either and probably won't until the ZL1 is out.

I'm in the camp that now believes the Z28 will show up on the Alpha platform. The Z28 would be a good spring board for the next generation of Camaro. Everyone points to the next Z28 weighing less and having the newer DI engine, why re-invent the wheel and rush a Gen5. The ZL1 is the option for those us that can not wait a couple more years for the Z28. Are any of us going to go out out and buy a Boss302 because the Z28 isn't out? If so, you don't deserve a Z28.

We'll start hearing true rumors of the next Z28 once Mustang consistently recaptures monthly sales.

IOMZL1 10-03-2011 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cam#7 (Post 3834656)
We won't know why the Z28 didn't come before the ZL1 until they do. We can only speculate. Maybe sales are too strong on the SS and they were afraid a Z28 would take away from those sales. A large percentage of Z28 owners are going to be SS and LT owners that are looking to upgrade after a couple of years.

If GM had released the Z28 first everyone would automatically compare it to the GT500 as Chevy’s ‘best Camaro effort’ and GM loses. Release the ZL1 first and quiet the critics. Now release the Z28 which you’ve been developing all along alongside ZL1 to compete with the Boss 302. Not saying they will release a 5th gen Z28, but if they do I can see why it wasn’t released before the ZL1.

1BADZL1 10-03-2011 02:12 PM

NEVER EVER GIVE UP ON YOUR DREAMS PEOPLE.
EVEN IF THEY SEEM "IMPOSSIBLE"

monstertodd 10-03-2011 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armysig (Post 3833621)
Have you guys thought that GM may have a trick up their sleeve? Maybe they are retooling the LS3/L99 engine and then give the possible Z-28 the Magnetic Ride from the Zl-1. Tell me that wouldn't be a track beast.

Now that is an interesting thought. Perhaps ala Grand Sport Corvette?

Maybe that's what GM has up their collective sleeve?


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