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LOWDOWN 12-15-2011 11:02 AM

Features of a ZL1 NOT Required on a Z/28
 
In trying to rationalize a potential price point for an anticipated Z/28, several features of the $54,000-Base ZL1 seem to be redundant for a "track-based" ZEE. Some that come to mind:

* Rear Vision Package - Italian School of Race Car Driving: "What's behind you is NOT important..."

* Magnetic Ride Control - Optional, with "enhanced FE4" as Standard

* Body Color Roof Ditch Moulding - Optional, if even...

* Mirrors, Exterior Heated w/Auto-Dim Driver's Side - Optional, part of 2ZE Package

* Boston Accoustics, 9-speaker, 245 Watt - Optional

* Wireless PDIM - Optional, part of Convenience Package

* USB Port - Optional, part of Convenience Package

* Heated Front Seats - Optional, part of 2ZE Package

* Leather/Microfiber Seats - Optional, part of 2ZE Package

* Driver's 6-Way Power Seat - Optional, part of 2ZE Package

* Passanger's 6-Way Power Seat - Optional, part of 2ZE Package

* HUD - Optional (?)

* Universal Home Remote - Optional, part of Convenience Package

* Map Pocket, rear of Passanger Seat - Optional, part of 2ZE Package

* Trans/Diff. Coolers - Optional, part of Track Prep. Package

...and of course...

* LSA - substituted by LS7

* 1LS Trim - Standard, with Manual Seats, cloth-covered

Base Price, 1EZ37/LS7/MG9/FE4+ = $46,995

Sound about right?

For those on a more restricted budget, with slightly reduced expectations, how about a 1SS + 1LE (w/MG9/MRC) + 3.73 gears = $41,500...?

rayhawk 12-15-2011 07:37 PM

I don't understand all the talk about an LS7 over the LSA to save money? I thought the extra machining, titanium rods, etc, made the price gap between the two relatively small.

Joe in T.O. 12-15-2011 09:00 PM

Ground effects would have to go.

ShnOmac 12-15-2011 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayhawk (Post 4172182)
I don't understand all the talk about an LS7 over the LSA to save money?

It's not about money.... Its about being NA and high revving! :headbang:

boxmonkeyracing 12-16-2011 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe in T.O. (Post 4172655)
Ground effects would have to go.

ground effects that are there for a purpose other then looks no. in a track car they help provide more down force and that will help with handling at speed.


as for the rest of the list sounds reasonable but I'm still on the wagon that we won't see an ls7 in the car. by the time the Z28 could be released DI will be making a main stream entry.

The IOM Ninja 12-16-2011 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShnOmac (Post 4173605)
It's not about money.... Its about being NA and high revving! :headbang:

A 7000 RPM is not a high revving engine..... 9000 RPM at least....

right to travel 12-16-2011 08:13 AM

rear seats not required.
recaro front seats required

LOWDOWN 12-16-2011 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShnOmac (Post 4173605)
It's not about money.... Its about being NA and high revving! :headbang:

...and 200-250 lb. savings, mostly off the nose..."as required" vs. "pimped out"...

Z/28 > BOSS LS...not GT 500

When you compare the Z06 to the ZR1, performance-wise ('Ring time is only 3 seconds difference), a strong case can be made for a lower-contented, lower-priced, near-equal-performing, driver-rewarded Camaro...worthy of a certain i-car-nic badge...

Besides, the price spread between a 2SS (mid-$30s) and the ZL1 (mid-$50s) needs to be bridged...

LOWDOWN 12-16-2011 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja (Post 4173989)
A 7000 RPM is not a high revving engine..... 9000 RPM at least....

For an OEM-warranted OHV 6.0L+ engine, 7,000 is "state of the art"...

2cnd chance 12-16-2011 11:52 AM

1LE + LS7 = Z28

Options: Better Stereo, USB, Leather/Microfiber Suede, Pedders Justice System, Wing Spoiler, Rear Seat - delete, HUD...






Please add to the options list:

Blizzard 12-16-2011 12:46 PM

I would say the HUD should be standard, lets the racer keep his eye's focused on the apex while still able to see telemetry data.

htron50 12-16-2011 03:58 PM

LOWDOWN you've got it about right, but GM won't create a Z28 with all those deletes. It will be a retail street car, not a bare knuckle track racer. That said, you have to add back in quite a few bells & whistles for a price approaching $48,325.

LOWDOWN 12-16-2011 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htron50 (Post 4177242)
It will be a retail street car, not a bare knuckle track racer. That said, you have to add back in quite a few bells & whistles for a price approaching $48,325.

$46,995 would include "enhanced FE4". Delete that, add MRC, and $48,500 would be achievable...

Actually, if you approach the original "content", above, from the other direction, what we'd have is:

* 1SS
* 1LS Trim - no 6-way Power Seats (weight-savings)
* 1LE Mechanicals - as per SEMA concept, with LS3/MG9 and 3.73 gears

1SS/1LE > BOSS = $41,500

Z/28 - as above except:
* MRC - Optional (function vs. weight-savings/sanctioning)
* Delete LS3 - add LS7

Final result: Z/28 > BOSS LS

Recaros, along with the trans/diff. coolers, would make a great Track Prep option, perhaps along with Rear Seat Delete (the "problem" with RSD is you now move into Corvette territory, you increase Insurance Rating...and you'll save less than 30 lb...more likely to be a DIY).

OldScoolCamaro 12-16-2011 08:22 PM

Pete said Pedder's could probably tinker with the MRC, offer a bit stouter and shorter spring. Looks like MRC is gonna be standard moving forward, but a FE4 with Pedder's enhancements will be the way to go IMHO. LSA VS LS7 is a relatively small < a couple K if I remember correctly> difference in price. LS7 is a high rev engine, look at the HP and torque charts and see where the LS7 is still there at 7 grand, and probably pulls beyond that. Given that it is a blueprinted motor with near bullet proof hardened bottom end and reciprocals, <there was a post where upper end wall thickness was an internal problem I think?>, however, 7 grand is not the top end of the RPM envelope IMHO, and that platform has the goods to hit production lines as is. The cuiser weight Champion.!! :chevy:


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