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goldwave84 04-18-2009 12:53 PM

Drive and handling of the Camaro not as good as the Mustang? :(
 
Hi all

So there are two reports out that the Camaro is not as good as the 2010 Mustang in terms of handling and drive. What does this mean? How does this car fault on those lines? More importantly, can it be adjusted ( with a after market tuner/ update from Chevy)?

The articles
http://jalopnik.com/5176993/2010-che...ro-first-drive
http://www.latimes.com/classified/au...lumn?track=rss

What is your take on this?

(Kinda bummed out by this news)

avol2 04-18-2009 01:21 PM

I prefer to BELIEVE these guys!!!!

Motortrend:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-uTj...eature=channel

Edmunds.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as2er...om=PL&index=30

they both mention the handling of the Mustang.. keep in mind it Doesnt have the same suspension, less HP and weighs less.. so I would imagine that it would handle differently.....

In the end it doesnt matter.. I still have not seen one in real life and I ordered one... :)

JC Turbo 04-18-2009 01:35 PM

dont believe any magazine. $$ can make you say anything

OUTATIME 04-18-2009 01:47 PM

I've been scrutinizing the handling of the Camaro vs. the rest since it's a huge factor for me - most of the magazines have said that the Mustang, while better than the last gen, is STILL limited by its SRA in the slalom. Camaro, on the other hand is limited by its weight and has somewhat of a deadzone in steering feel but still posts better numbers all-around.

I think what they were getting at was Mustang = better daily driver, Camaro = better sports car.

fdjizm 04-18-2009 01:53 PM

Just shows that a nicely setup SRA can still handle around a track even though it's old like how pushrods are... it still works... so no problem there. if it works it works right?

Matster 04-18-2009 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldwave84 (Post 415166)
Hi all

So there are two reports out that the Camaro is not as good as the 2010 Mustang in terms of handling and drive. What does this mean? How does this car fault on those lines? More importantly, can it be adjusted ( with a after market tuner/ update from Chevy)?

The articles
http://jalopnik.com/5176993/2010-che...ro-first-drive
http://www.latimes.com/classified/au...lumn?track=rss

What is your take on this?

(Kinda bummed out by this news)

Read this http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17630 think it will put your mind at ease.

DGthe3 04-18-2009 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldwave84 (Post 415166)
Hi all

So there are two reports out that the Camaro is not as good as the 2010 Mustang in terms of handling and drive. What does this mean? How does this car fault on those lines? More importantly, can it be adjusted ( with a after market tuner/ update from Chevy)?

The articles
http://jalopnik.com/5176993/2010-che...ro-first-drive
http://www.latimes.com/classified/au...lumn?track=rss

What is your take on this?

(Kinda bummed out by this news)

What do you mean by 'drive' ? If you mean 'tossable', then the Mustang will have an edge. If you mean 'ride smoothness' the Camaro has the advantage. That said, that was not the standard GT that handled better. It had the track pack which included better tires and a suspension upgrade for improved handling, as well as a shorter final drive ratio for better acceleration. Not saying its not a fair comparison -Ford devised the package to better compete with the Camaro. But no (stock) Mustang from 2005-2009 will have those numbers, and many of the 2010 GT's won't either.

stovt001 04-18-2009 05:00 PM

Handling areas are a mixed bag between the Mustang and the Camaro. Consensus sounds like the Camaro rides much better, but the Mustang feels sharper and more nimble. Objective metrics seem to be split, with the Mustang posting better numbers in some areas and the Camaro posting some better numbers elsewhere. I think I'll have to drive both to see which I like better. Before these reviews the Mustang wasn't even on my radar, but I think it merits consideration. The Camaro still wins hands down on presence though.

By the way, 3,000th post. Woohoo!

THE EVIL TW1N 04-18-2009 05:17 PM

When it comes to suspension, the Camaro should be a better DD in comparison to the Mustang since it will ride smoother with the IRS if there are lot's of road irregularities. On a track, the mustang may prove to be the better handler. And no, the road does not have to be "glass" smooth in order for the the SRA to perform.

THE EVIL TW1N 04-18-2009 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldwave84 (Post 415166)
Hi all

So there are two reports out that the Camaro is not as good as the 2010 Mustang in terms of handling and drive. What does this mean? How does this car fault on those lines? More importantly, can it be adjusted ( with a after market tuner/ update from Chevy)?

The articles
http://jalopnik.com/5176993/2010-che...ro-first-drive
http://www.latimes.com/classified/au...lumn?track=rss

What is your take on this?

(Kinda bummed out by this news)

I'm sure with some bushings and springs, the car will handle great. But there is some trade-offs. A harsher ride, which negates some of the IRS's daily driveability advantages, and more road noise.

ShnOmac 04-18-2009 06:33 PM

Seems to me we are in pretty good company in the handling department.....
Camaro turned a 8:19 at nurburgring....
other nurburgring lap times.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtahvit (Post 341147)
Other cars in the 8:20's

8:22 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS verified manufacturer time[citation needed]
8:22 Nissan Skyline GT-R R32 Motoharu Kurosawa Best Motoring Video Special DVD
8:22.8 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbo John Heinricy AutoBlog (9/2007) Wet Track
8:22 BMW M3 E46 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2000)
8:22 BMW M Coupe E36/8 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/1998)
8:24 2004 Subaru Impreza Sport Auto (05/2004), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:25 Lotus Exige S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2008)[25]
8:25 Jaguar XKR Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:25 Porsche Cayman S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:24 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VI Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/1999), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:25 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VII Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2002), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:26 Audi S5 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2008)[26]
8:26 BMW 335i E92 Coupe Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:26 Nissan 350Z Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/2003)
8:28 Porsche 911 Carrera (993) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/1997)
8:29 Audi TTS Coupé Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/2008)[27]


syr74 04-18-2009 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OUTATIME (Post 415226)
I think what they were getting at was Mustang = better daily driver, Camaro = better sports car.

Actually, I think almost every review thus far has stated exactly the opposite of the above.

Georgie 04-18-2009 08:49 PM

yep, camaro is better DD, mustang better track

Milk 1027 04-18-2009 08:52 PM

I hope you all know that none of those reviews had competition mode on.

There was a video of a mexican reviews on here. If you can understand spanish, you can see that they had competition mode on and absolutely loved the handling.

THE EVIL TW1N 04-18-2009 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shnomac77 (Post 415628)
Seems to me we are in pretty good company in the handling department.....
Camro turned a 8:19 at nurburgring....
other nurburgring lap times.....

You speak of the handling, but out of all those cars, which one's had more power than the camaro?

Bocephus 04-18-2009 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Georgie (Post 415748)
yep, camaro is better DD, mustang better track

Right. Part of the problem with the Camaro is the weight. That's hard to overcome.

ShnOmac 04-18-2009 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N (Post 415775)
You speak of the handling, but out of all those cars, which one's had more power than the camaro?

You dont get through that track on just straight away speed if thats what your saying....... You gotta be able to get through the corners fast as well. Im not going to look up all the acceleration times and weights of each car.... you can if you want. Sooooo its got more power....it also weighs more..... we could go back and fourth on this all day long

Milk 1027 04-18-2009 11:12 PM

Once again.

Competition mode was not on for any of those tests.
It will handle differently with it on.

Silver Streak 04-18-2009 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milk 1027 (Post 415993)
Once again.

Competition mode was not on for any of those tests.
It will handle differently with it on.

That is really dumb! Why would they do that? So no 0-60 or 1/4 times were done with competition mode? I wonder if they will try it out next round? That is just crazy!
What about the ring, was it used for that?

Milk 1027 04-19-2009 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Streak (Post 416023)
That is really dumb! Why would they do that? So no 0-60 or 1/4 times were done with competition mode? I wonder if they will try it out next round? That is just crazy!
What about the ring, was it used for that?

I don't know about the ring. However, to my understanding competition mode only helps on lateral movement, so it wouldn't change the 0-60 time or quarter mile.


This is the only review I know of that had competition mode on
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18493

but it's in spanish.

ArcAngel 04-19-2009 12:05 AM

I dont know but I will drive both

Hesh 04-19-2009 12:20 AM

Also dont forget the test of the Camaro were done on a day that was just above freezing. MT already stated they wanted to rerun all the test on a warmer day to see what the car was better able to do.

THE EVIL TW1N 04-19-2009 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shnomac77 (Post 415986)
You dont get through that track on just straight away speed if thats what your saying....... You gotta be able to get through the corners fast as well. Im not going to look up all the acceleration times and weights of each car.... you can if you want. Sooooo its got more power....it also weighs more..... we could go back and fourth on this all day long

Obviously it helps. Personally, I'd rather have a car that muscles through the track and gets a good time than one that gets a good time on grace alone.

Z/28orSs 04-19-2009 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N (Post 416201)
Obviously it helps. Personally, I'd rather have a car that muscles through the track and gets a good time than one that gets a good time on grace alone.

+1 this will never happend again because its unlawful for a maro guy...

2SSJIM 04-19-2009 04:43 AM

The only comment I'll say as far as handling for both cars is.... it all depends on the loose nut between the steering wheel and the drivers seat.... how good of a driver that person is. So the best bet is to go drive both yourself and decide which is best for you and for me it won't matter that much because I'm buying the Camaro reguardless, so arguing would be pointless! It all boils down to... what is your taste and you won't change others minds on what their taste is.


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