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PercyJWellingtonIII 01-28-2012 10:32 AM

Z/28 302 Rumors
 
Anyone else hearing rumors about a new z/28 sporting a 302/5.0 engine. The engine may be an all new overhead cam or may be based on the 5.3 GM motor under bored. Suspect it won't happen in this body style though probably slated for the new platform in 2014 or 15. My bet also would be that its an all new motor.

orangejuice 01-28-2012 10:49 AM

What?! I'd pull the the trigger on that purchase in a heartbeat. Built on the new platform of smaller and lighter?

v8 01-28-2012 10:49 AM

Havent heard but it would be pretty cool. It would also be a tribute to the old DZ 302 engine. You are right though, I don't think it will be in this body style, with the weight of the current car, more torque is needed, but with a lighter car (new body style) a smaller high reving engine would be awesome !!!

midnighter 01-28-2012 10:50 AM

DZ 302 like in '69 :thumbsup:

PercyJWellingtonIII 01-28-2012 12:58 PM

Pretty sure it will happen, heard rumors on a radio car talk show.

DGthe3 01-29-2012 02:11 PM

I doubt it. There was only one reason why GM used a 302 in the original Z28, and that was the Trans Am rule book. While that particular engine holds some cachet with Camaro enthusiasts, its not nearly the same as the love that the Mustang crowd has for their 5.0.

And it would be a special engine, for a special car. In other words, it would be very expensive. Like twice the cost of a typical small block V8. For an engine that would almost certainly get out performed by a 6.2L gen V engine in every conceivably way. The high reving nature would make it less efficient, the small displacement would make it less torquey (and therefore less powerful), and the DOHCs would make it heavier. What exactly would be the point?

pincoin 01-29-2012 03:23 PM

I highly doubt it also. Would be too expensive to put in 1 model only.

zogster 01-29-2012 03:38 PM

Only way I see that happening is if it goes into the Corvette as a base engine as well.

wildpaws 01-29-2012 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3 (Post 4395109)
I doubt it. There was only one reason why GM used a 302 in the original Z28, and that was the Trans Am rule book. While that particular engine holds some cachet with Camaro enthusiasts, its not nearly the same as the love that the Mustang crowd has for their 5.0.

And it would be a special engine, for a special car. In other words, it would be very expensive. Like twice the cost of a typical small block V8. For an engine that would almost certainly get out performed by a 6.2L gen V engine in every conceivably way. The high reving nature would make it less efficient, the small displacement would make it less torquey (and therefore less powerful), and the DOHCs would make it heavier. What exactly would be the point?

I'm one of those that loved the old DZ302, while I would like to see Chevy build a new 302cid (to compete with the Boss 302), I really don't see it happening.
Clyde

OldScoolCamaro 01-29-2012 03:57 PM

302 CID aintgonnahappen.com

htron50 01-30-2012 07:21 PM

No the 302 won't happen, but it will be a great day when GM brings out the ALPHA platform Z28 say with a 5.5 or 6.2 DI engine pushing no nonsense 500HP.

v8 01-30-2012 07:24 PM

Agreed:happyanim:

ron10 01-30-2012 07:30 PM

:popcorn::iono:

Bjones 01-30-2012 10:46 PM

would definitely buy a convertible Z28 - bet I'll get the 1st allocation - just sayin and hoping folks at GM high up are listening - ZL1 is great but too much. Build a Z and your dealers will have plenty of 2010/2011/2012 SS's LT's on their used car lots - i know my beautiful RJT 2LT will be up for sale.

OldScoolCamaro 01-31-2012 09:51 AM

I read in one of the online mag's in 2014 the 'Vette gets a refresh, with a 5.5L DI motor pushing around 500HP. Maybe, in 2014, we can get that engine for the, ....cough, ....uhemmmn,....Z-28? ;)

Black5thgen 01-31-2012 11:54 AM

No way we'll see an over head cam V8, let alone a 5.0 in any Camaro in the next 10 years. I have heard rumblings that the Gen V V8 could go back to the old 5.7 liter size which I think would be cooler than a 5.0 but it's also been said that 5.3 and 6.2 sizes would be retained.

chevysno1 01-31-2012 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Black5thgen (Post 4405608)
No way we'll see an over head cam V8, let alone a 5.0 in any Camaro in the next 10 years. I have heard rumblings that the Gen V V8 could go back to the old 5.7 liter size which I think would be cooler than a 5.0 but it's also been said that 5.3 and 6.2 sizes would be retained.

I have read the same but with one exception, that is that the 5.3 is for trucks, And the 6.2 going to both trucks and cars.:chevy:

htron50 01-31-2012 03:30 PM

I read somewhere that V8's might even be limited to trucks and the vette in the future..... it was speculation regarding CAFE included as impetus. Sometimes where there is smoke there is fire.

http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/...gine-guys.html

Black5thgen 01-31-2012 03:45 PM

IMO as long as the Vette has a V8, there will be a Camaro model that has one as well. It may be more of a premium package but it will still be available.

OldScoolCamaro 01-31-2012 05:32 PM

When the Corvette gets the DI next gen 8 cyl motor, reportedly in it's refresh year, hopefully we will follow suit if not the same year, then hopefully the next. If not, when we get Alpha with the new body I certainly hope we get the DI 8 cyl, for me a 6 cyl turbo is a no go, I'm just a fossile from the past and to me, there's somethin' not white in the milk to that...and inherently wrong.

DGthe3 02-01-2012 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro (Post 4404957)
I read in one of the online mag's in 2014 the 'Vette gets a refresh, with a 5.5L DI motor pushing around 500HP. Maybe, in 2014, we can get that engine for the, ....cough, ....uhemmmn,....Z-28? ;)

I really wish that the 5.5L rumour would die. I'm not even sure how its managed to persist for so long.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black5thgen (Post 4405608)
No way we'll see an over head cam V8, let alone a 5.0 in any Camaro in the next 10 years. I have heard rumblings that the Gen V V8 could go back to the old 5.7 liter size which I think would be cooler than a 5.0 but it's also been said that 5.3 and 6.2 sizes would be retained.

I'd like to see a return of the 5.7 myself, but I'm inclined to believe the rumours that GM will be using 6.2's and 5.3's. The only way a 5.7 would make sense to me is if they base their family around 3 displacements: a small one of 5L or less, the 5.7 as an intermediate truck engine/'everyday performance' V8 for cars, then a larger one (say around 6.5L) for high performance applications or when a very large V8 is needed for a truck (perhaps as the gas engine for the HD trucks)

Quote:

Originally Posted by htron50 (Post 4406649)
I read somewhere that V8's might even be limited to trucks and the vette in the future..... it was speculation regarding CAFE included as impetus. Sometimes where there is smoke there is fire.

http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/...gine-guys.html

Doesn't really hold water IMO. Trucks use more V8's than cars. Trucks suck more gas than cars. Trucks still factor into CAFE. Therefore, if they were trying to improve their CAFE scores, they'd get rid of V8 trucks, V8 Camaros (and any other V8 non-Corvette cars) are hardly a blip on the radar

htron50 02-01-2012 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro (Post 4407323)
When the Corvette gets the DI next gen 8 cyl motor, reportedly in it's refresh year, hopefully we will follow suit if not the same year, then hopefully the next. If not, when we get Alpha with the new body I certainly hope we get the DI 8 cyl, for me a 6 cyl turbo is a no go, I'm just a fossile from the past and to me, there's somethin' not white in the milk to that...and inherently wrong.

I felt that way about 40 years ago when they lowered compression in engines back in 1971. I lost interest in high performance after that. Then, to see what kind of cars they were calling MustangII, Delta 88, Charger (did you see that little Dodge "thing").. And there were plenty more I have long since forgotten about because they were less than memorable. It was a mess o nuttin!

The current Z crops will be memorable.

unkillsam 03-05-2012 06:55 AM

I think the only way you are going to see a Z28 model on the 5th Gen Camaro is with the 3.6 TT engine GM is developing.

Combined with a stripper 1LE style car, lightweight 18 inch alloy wheels, and a suspension package, this is the only way to make a lightweigh car in the spirit of the Z28 and still differentiate it from the ZL1.

Now flame away for suggesting no V8 in the Z28.

boxmonkeyracing 03-05-2012 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unkillsam (Post 4589838)
I think the only way you are going to see a Z28 model on the 5th Gen Camaro is with the 3.6 TT engine GM is developing.

Combined with a stripper 1LE style car, lightweight 18 inch alloy wheels, and a suspension package, this is the only way to make a lightweigh car in the spirit of the Z28 and still differentiate it from the ZL1.

Now flame away for suggesting no V8 in the Z28.

only flame I can say is why the focus on the 3.6 TT? there are many engines in the generals arsenal that they could through at the car. including the new engine that will debut in the base v8 c7 vette. or heck why not a TT 4 cylinder? the C7 will be out next year. It's suppose to get a DI V8. and may also get that TT v6 you are talking about. I could see the SS getting the v6 TT and then them sliding the Z28 in with the V-8 while keeping the ZL1 as king.

wildpaws 03-05-2012 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black5thgen (Post 4405608)
No way we'll see an over head cam V8, let alone a 5.0 in any Camaro in the next 10 years. I have heard rumblings that the Gen V V8 could go back to the old 5.7 liter size which I think would be cooler than a 5.0 but it's also been said that 5.3 and 6.2 sizes would be retained.

I agree with the DOHC part, I think that will likely be many years. Now the 5.0 part, I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon (certainly I don't think for the 5th gen Camaro and likely not for the 6th gen Camaro), but I would never say "never" regarding a 5.0 L, it could happen at any point IF GM decided to do one (and I know you said the next ten years, you didn't say never).
Clyde


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