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Obzen 02-11-2012 07:49 PM

How to adjust front camber?
 
Got my car aligned and they couldn't figure out how to adjust the front camber. Can someone enlighten me on how to do it? Don't you just loosen the strut knuckle?

GreyLS3SS 02-11-2012 08:40 PM

Id find another shop,because they obviously don't know what they are doing. lower bolts on shock

L99CAMA2011 02-11-2012 08:44 PM

Both bolts on the strut lower connection point needs to be loose the top bold of the 2 can be moved inner or outer until correct camper degree is achieved then tighten. Some shops just shouldn't be in business.

Obzen 02-11-2012 08:50 PM

Well it was a friends place so I gave them
The benefit of the doubt. I figured that was how you do it. I should have just showed them.

L99CAMA2011 02-11-2012 08:53 PM

oh sorry about that didn't mean to insult your friend forgive me. Also I would advise you to take it and get a proper alignment from the dealership or a good shop, guess work is not good here.

Obzen 02-11-2012 08:55 PM

Haha no. Insult away. It was a friend of a friend deal. I wanted it done right! Lol

PfadtRacing 02-13-2012 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Obzen (Post 4469338)
Haha no. Insult away. It was a friend of a friend deal. I wanted it done right! Lol

If you're in SD you've got an option of a couple different shops to get it done right. CMS Motorsports in Murietta has a lot of experience with the Camaro and should definitely be able to get your alignment dialed in correctly.

To directly answer your question it's just as the posters above have mentioned, loosen the bolts at the shock mounts and the assembly pivots. It's pretty easy, and similar in adjustment to any other MacPhearson strut assembly. :drinking:

JusticePete 02-13-2012 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Obzen (Post 4469045)
Got my car aligned and they couldn't figure out how to adjust the front camber. Can someone enlighten me on how to do it? Don't you just loosen the strut knuckle?

The 5th Gen Camaro, the Pontiac G8, the Pontiac GTO and the new Police Caprice are the easiest cars in the USA to set front camber. You use the camber screw in the knuckle.

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...7fc80cb2b3.gif

It is a 10mm 1.5 pitch screw / bolt.

Loosen both clevis bolts. Use and extension on your socket wrench to reach through the wheel spokes with the alignment heads mounted. Turn it to the right and you decrease camber. Turn it to the left to increase camber. Get it exactly where you want it and tighten the clevis bolts.

It is all in the THE Book on 5th Gen Suspension right here on Camaro5.

JusticePete 02-14-2012 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The LSX Dr. (Post 4479855)
:iono:I'm starting to think he may be mistaking Caster and Camber...

There is no caster adjusstment on the 5th Gen as it delivers from the factory. You can use Pedders Caster eXtreme Range Eccentrics to create caster adjustment. Drill holes on either side of the radius arm bolt.

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...7fb69802de.gif

Grind out the material between the holes. Grind all the way to the fence for optimal adjustment range.

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...7fb698d9ac.gif

The slot is good to go on the left, but it needs a bit more material removed on the right. Install Pedders eXtreme Range Caster Bolts. They are sold with 10mm 1.5 Camber screws.

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...7fb699ac94.gif

It is all in the THE Book on 5th Gen Suspension right here on Camaro5.

hypurone 02-14-2012 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 4479421)
Turn it to the right and you decrease camber. Turn it to the left to increase camber.

HUH? Threading the bolt into the knuckle against the strut (to the right) will push the knuckle out (this causes camber to go positive/increase) and threading the bolt out (to the left) allows the knuckle to move inward (this causes camber to go negative/decrease)....

So I disagree with your wording above unless you meant to say "decrease negative camber" and "increase negative camber"... :iono:

JusticePete 02-14-2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by hypurone (Post 4480613)
HUH? Threading the bolt into the knuckle against the strut (to the right) will push the knuckle out (this causes camber to go positive/increase) and threading the bolt out (to the left) allows the knuckle to move inward (this causes camber to go negative/decrease)....

So I disagree with your wording above unless you meant to say "decrease negative camber" and "increase negative camber"... :iono:

:facepalm:

I must have missed the part of your post where you said thank you for posting a picture showing the location of the camber screw and explaining how to use it. I know you were thinking that so I'll say you're welcome.

Camber is adjusted on an alignment machine, or with plumb-bobs or with camber gauges. The corresponding result of a turn in or turn out of the camber screw will be clear to the technician.

:D

JusticePete 02-14-2012 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The LSX Dr. (Post 4480777)
Yes I know there is no caster adjustment from the factory. That was my point. I cannot believe that a alignment tech could not figure out the camber. :iono:

Most technicians rely on the how to adjust section of the alignment machine software. The camber screw is not listed for the 5th Gen nor are the slots in the clevis. The camber screw is not available as a part for the 5th Gen. The use of the camber screw is not in the GM shop manual, or wasn't when last I checked. Slots in a strut are nothing new. Not all cars come with slots for camber adjustment. If they don't and experienced tech will create a slot. To save money, a lot of cars leave the factory without camber and caster adjustment. They have only toe.

Not only did Chevrolet leave out the camber screw, they installed fences for Caster adjustment with a round hole so it cannot be adjusted with grinding.

hypurone 02-14-2012 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 4480808)
:facepalm:

I must have missed the part of your post where you said thank you for posting a picture showing the location of the camber screw and explaining how to use it. I know you were thinking that so I'll say you're welcome.

Camber is adjusted on an alignment machine, or with plumb-bobs or with camber gauges. The corresponding result of a turn in or turn out of the camber screw will be clear to the technician.

:D

Well, there are those of us who have done alignments for a living and don't need pictures and your explanation was flawed :rolleyes:

You are always so quick to take offense to any correction and can never just deal with it nicely. Like saying "whoops, you know that's right". :facepalm: :facepalm:

JusticePete 02-14-2012 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hypurone (Post 4480905)
Well, there are those of us who have done alignments for a living and don't need pictures and your explanation was flawed :rolleyes:

You are always so quick to take offense to any correction and can never just deal with it nicely. Like saying "whoops, you know that's right". :facepalm: :facepalm:

Oh sir, forgive me. Please post your mobile number here in the thread so I and other C5 members can call you for editorial assistance before we post.

hypurone 02-14-2012 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 4481453)
Oh sir, forgive me. Please post your mobile number here in the thread so I and other C5 members can call you for editorial assistance before we post.

You are forgiven....

axis 02-14-2012 03:28 PM

I think the issue may be that there is no bolt in that threaded hole to do the actual adjustment, unless they added them to the later models. There is a bolt in the rear of the car that will work but I forget which one. Pete posted the thread dimensions so they should be good to go. :thumbsup:

yungd83 04-12-2012 06:09 PM

Anyone know where I can get the screw/bolt from

axis 04-12-2012 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by yungd83 (Post 4796632)
Anyone know where I can get the screw/bolt from

I got a pair of hardened ones from Star Bolt here in Arkansas. Any place that sells bolts should have them. Just note the size and pitch from the reply above and you'll be good to go. Make sure you don't get them too long either.

JusticePete 04-12-2012 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by yungd83 (Post 4796632)
Anyone know where I can get the screw/bolt from

You can order them from Pedders 248.522.8021 or find a local source for a 10mm 1.5 pitch screw.

ICTsccaCamaro 09-26-2012 09:56 AM

Is everyone leaving the adjuster bolt/screw in the knucle after the alignment or are you pulling them back out after you are done? I just aligned ours and it was a pain keeping the camber setting in while i was tightening the bolts this would have helped alot, but just wondering if one set of bolts/screws would work or if i need a set per car?

JusticePete 09-26-2012 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ICTsccaCamaro (Post 5622861)
Is everyone leaving the adjuster bolt/screw in the knucle after the alignment or are you pulling them back out after you are done? I just aligned ours and it was a pain keeping the camber setting in while i was tightening the bolts this would have helped alot, but just wondering if one set of bolts/screws would work or if i need a set per car?

The Pontiac GTO and G8 used the same camber adjustment system and came with the camber screws installed from the factory. I would leave the screws in so they are there when needed.

carfansince73 09-30-2013 09:34 AM

I have the Hotchkis Track Pack which includes their lowering springs. When I had my car in for an alignment at the Chevy dealer, he said he couldn't get the camber right and was going to have to drill out the mount. Ended up that he could not get my wheels off since the key I have for the lugs was misplaced so he did not do any drilling. In the end, he said that he got it right (I'm doubtful since I didn't get a printout showing the final specs in green).

I guess my question is should I expect camber issues with these drop springs on the stock struts that can't be adjusted? I have noticed my inner front tires wearing more than the outside.

Thanks for any help.

JusticePete 09-30-2013 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by carfansince73 (Post 7050539)
I have the Hotchkis Track Pack which includes their lowering springs. When I had my car in for an alignment at the Chevy dealer, he said he couldn't get the camber right and was going to have to drill out the mount. Ended up that he could not get my wheels off since the key I have for the lugs was misplaced so he did not do any drilling. In the end, he said that he got it right (I'm doubtful since I didn't get a printout showing the final specs in green).

I guess my question is should I expect camber issues with these drop springs on the stock struts that can't be adjusted? I have noticed my inner front tires wearing more than the outside.

Thanks for any help.

1. With lowering coils, your Camaro can be aligned with the range specified by the factory.

2. With a tech that says I have to grind, but I couldn't and your alignment just magically fell into place and we don't have a print out so we don't know what the specs are your only option is to get a real alignment.

3. Print out the alignment information a couple of posts above, go back to the same shop, review it with them and ask them to do this one on their dime or find a new dealer and start from scratch.

4. The only limitation on alignment with a lowered Camaro compared to a factory height Camaro is rear camber. The lower you go the higher the negative rear camber will become. This is a priority with wider than stock rear wheels or to optimize handling or drag launches, Th fix is simple. Replaces the factory camber eccentrics with Justice Pete Signature Series Rear Camber bolts that have an additional 1 degree of adjustment. Part Number HW-CAM8-R-CAM-ADJ

Synner 09-30-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ICTsccaCamaro (Post 5622861)
Is everyone leaving the adjuster bolt/screw in the knucle after the alignment or are you pulling them back out after you are done? I just aligned ours and it was a pain keeping the camber setting in while i was tightening the bolts this would have helped alot, but just wondering if one set of bolts/screws would work or if i need a set per car?

Use lots of loctite when you leave them in. Some goober tech left the bolts in loose and I didn't notice right away. I could only imagine the suck factor of my day if it flew out and jammed in the rotor/caliper or clipped a brake line as I stomped on the brakes at the end of a straight. One was 3 turns from out when I noticed the rattle.

carfansince73 09-30-2013 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 7050618)
1. With lowering coils, your Camaro can be aligned with the range specified by the factory.

2. With a tech that says I have to grind, but I couldn't and your alignment just magically fell into place and we don't have a print out so we don't know what the specs are your only option is to get a real alignment.

3. Print out the alignment information a couple of posts above, go back to the same shop, review it with them and ask them to do this one on their dime or find a new dealer and start from scratch.

4. The only limitation on alignment with a lowered Camaro compared to a factory height Camaro is rear camber. The lower you go the higher the negative rear camber will become. This is a priority with wider than stock rear wheels or to optimize handling or drag launches, Th fix is simple. Replaces the factory camber eccentrics with Justice Pete Signature Series Rear Camber bolts that have an additional 1 degree of adjustment. Part Number HW-CAM8-R-CAM-ADJ

Thanks! I just love this website. :thumb:


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