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Ace1USMC 03-11-2012 02:06 PM

READ THIS BEFORE INSTALLING RX CATCH CANS
 
I hope people will read this BEFORE attempting to install their RX Catch Can...

The instructions that are provided are THE WORST INSTRUCTIONS EVER SEEN BY HUMANS. THE ABSOLUTE WORST, and in fact, FLAT-OUT WRONG.

They tell you that this...and I QUOTE:

"The center fitting on the can goes to the nipple on the intake manifold snout on the pass side, and then the outer valve fitting to the rear of the drivers side valve cover"

THIS IS WRONG! Don't do this under any circumstances, or you'll wind up doing what happened to my car - BLOWN OUT REAR MAIN OIL SEAL!!!!!!

I am more than a little upset that I didn't use my own judgement and experience, and instead, followed the directions from idiots. Modern cars NEED the vacuum pulling the pressure from the crankcase, and there is no vacuum created at the valve cover to pull the pressure from the fitting going down into the lifter valley/crankcase. The whole time I was following these instructions, little alarms and bells were going off in my head, and I kept thinking "How can this possibly work right???" Well, I fired up the engine, went for a test drive, got on it going from 1st to 2nd gear, and came back into my driveway. Got out to look for leaks, and a POOL of oil was pouring out from between the transmission and engine.

These guys are complete, utter idiots for providing such HORRIBLE instructions, but I'm the bigger fool for listening to idiots that clearly don't understand a thing about engines.

I'll be posting in the main section all of this to make sure people know to NOT follow these instructions, and instead, follow these...

1. Remove the plastic engine cover.
2. Slowly and carefully, unbolt the single lower tensioner pulley bracket bolt (15mm). Do this slowly so that the bracket stays in place - otherwise, you'll be dealing with putting the belt back on. If there's any tension on the bolt as it's ready to slide out - DON'T REMOVE IT! It will mean the bracket is gonna turn if you pull the bolt outta the threads. If this is the case, then first remove the belt, then proceed.
3. Install the bracket.
4. Install the catch can on the bracket.
5. Remove the plastic line that runs from the line going down into the front pass side of the lifter valley running to the intake manifold directly behind the throttle body. It's easy - just push in at the fittings, and turn the little tab and then pull out.
6. Run a piece of hose from the now-exposed steel nipple (the one running down into the lifter valley) to the center of the catch can.
7. Run another piece of hose from the black plastic nipple just behind the throttle body to the outer valve on the catch can.

That's it. These retards at RX made such an easy install so difficult with insane, obscure pictures, and wrong instructions.

Now, I gotta park my car for a few weeks until I can pull the transmission and flywheel to replace the blown-out rear main seal.

Sam

scruffyluv 03-11-2012 02:11 PM

wow.. I've had mine installed for almost a year with no problems.

IndeedSS1 03-11-2012 02:11 PM

Weird as many of us have installed the RX catch can, and did it correctly. I have at least 25k miles on mine.:iono:

scrming 03-11-2012 02:13 PM

like it's been said, RX has been selling their catch-can here for long time... no idea how many they've sold but can't say I've ever heard of anyone having any issues...

razorduck 03-11-2012 02:13 PM

I agree that the instructions provided are no good. The pics provided are too dark and did me absolutely no good. Thank goodness Camaro5 had some great install threads with good pics and easy instructions, or I would still have my catch can in the box!

The Stig 03-11-2012 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by razorduck (Post 4626668)
I agree that the instructions provided are no good. The pics provided are too dark and did me absolutely no good. Thank goodness Camaro5 had some great install threads with good pics and easy instructions, or I would still have my catch can in the box!

that and Tracy answers PMs almost imediately. Also OP, why on Earth did you remove the pulley bolt? Are you sure you installed it in the right spot?

Ace1USMC 03-11-2012 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by stieger (Post 4626671)
that and Tracy answers PMs almost imediately. Also OP, why on Earth did you remove the pulley bolt? Are you sure you installed it in the right spot?


I didn't remove the pulley bolt. I removed the pulley bracket bolt to install the catch can bracket.

Those of you that have had yours on - I'm sure you plumbed it to the two right spots. The instructions that I got were horrible, as several other people have had the same issues with the instructions. Unfortunately for me, I plumbed it from the lifter valley, to the drivers side valve cover as the instructions said - all the while thinking "How can this possibly work??". I should have gone with my gut, and either asked some questions, or searched this forum more thoroughly.

Instructions for installs should follow a basic procedure...

First identify everything. Clearly mark what points will be changed/affected/moved/modified. Then provide directions in a step-by-step procedure that's clear and not ambiguous or subject to interpretation. Also, when trying to take pictures of areas like the lifter valley - don't use a crappy digital camera!! Find someone with an actual SLR-lens camera, and take some good, high-quality pictures! Those guys there are not too smart for providing the poor instructions - but I'm even more stupid for listening to them!

90503 03-11-2012 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by razorduck (Post 4626668)
I agree that the instructions provided are no good. The pics provided are too dark and did me absolutely no good. Thank goodness Camaro5 had some great install threads with good pics and easy instructions, or I would still have my catch can in the box!

I've wrestled with the installation instructions on just about everything! lol

They can be helpful, but don't always express or show things to everyone's satisfaction. If they tried to show every and all possible errors to avoid or illustrate what could go wrong, they'd be a mile thick! Even the simplest and obvious things can be mis-interpreted.They gotta draw the line somewhere.

To their credit, they most always include a number to call or how to get ahold of them if you are not sure what to do.

IndeedSS1 03-11-2012 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace1USMC (Post 4626791)
I didn't remove the pulley bolt. I removed the pulley bracket bolt to install the catch can bracket.

Those of you that have had yours on - I'm sure you plumbed it to the two right spots. The instructions that I got were horrible, as several other people have had the same issues with the instructions. Unfortunately for me, I plumbed it from the lifter valley, to the drivers side valve cover as the instructions said - all the while thinking "How can this possibly work??". I should have gone with my gut, and either asked some questions, or searched this forum more thoroughly.

Instructions for installs should follow a basic procedure...

First identify everything. Clearly mark what points will be changed/affected/moved/modified. Then provide directions in a step-by-step procedure that's clear and not ambiguous or subject to interpretation. Also, when trying to take pictures of areas like the lifter valley - don't use a crappy digital camera!! Find someone with an actual SLR-lens camera, and take some good, high-quality pictures! Those guys there are not too smart for providing the poor instructions - but I'm even more stupid for listening to them!

If it didn't seem right, why did you continue? I've skimmed the instructions but don't rememeber where it mentioned hooking up the hoses in the wrong places.

AKA-22 03-11-2012 03:18 PM

pictures!!!!!

IndeedSS1 03-11-2012 03:19 PM

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...13&postcount=4

leojerome 03-11-2012 03:42 PM

I agree with the original poster. The instructions suck. I didn't install mine for several weeks after getting it becuase I did not know where to connect the hoses. Even reading the instructions I still didn't get it. Which I'm pretty good at these things. It wasn't till I saw a posting on here in the do-it-yourself section that had pictures with the throttle removed. Then I got it.

AKA-22 03-11-2012 03:49 PM

wow !!! how hard is this to get right.....now im wondering if i got this messed up on my car....pics please of where the hoses go...

razorduck 03-11-2012 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA-22 (Post 4626935)
wow !!! how hard is this to get right.....now im wondering if i got this messed up on my car....pics please of where the hoses go...

Not hard at all if you use something besides the instructions that are included with the can...

IndeedSS1 03-11-2012 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA-22 (Post 4626935)
wow !!! how hard is this to get right.....now im wondering if i got this messed up on my car....pics please of where the hoses go...

It's not difficult.

LS3 - center hose goes to the valley cover nipple low and behind the passenger side of the throttle body. The outter hose will go to the nipple on the intake manifold about 2 inches away from the valley cover one. You are just replacing the U shaped hard line that goes between the two fittings.

L99 - Center hose goes to the hard line that runs from the back drivers side PCV fitting. You could run a longer hose to that back fitting so you don't have to cut the hard line. The outter hose goes to the same as described on the LS3. Again you are just putting the can inline with that run.

The link I posted has great pictures and describes the install for both.

AKA-22 03-11-2012 04:41 PM

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attach...2&d=1286563649

this is a picture of what i would consider to be right installation...

Smirnoff 03-11-2012 08:22 PM

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Hope this helps some of you.....

Ace1USMC 03-11-2012 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by IndeedSS1 (Post 4626827)
If it didn't seem right, why did you continue? I've skimmed the instructions but don't rememeber where it mentioned hooking up the hoses in the wrong places.

Cause I was even more stupid than the person that wrote the directions in the first place. I fully admit I was stupid to ignore the warning bells going off in my head based off of my own understanding of how essential a PCV system is and how it works. I was plain dumb to not trust myself in this case. STUUUUUUPID. I'm stupid. That's all there is to it. And now I gotta replace a rear main seal on a relatively new car.

Sam

lakersftbl69 03-11-2012 11:34 PM

I agree the paper instruction I had were horrible luckily I was able to find A video on YouTube that made it so easy search YouTube or try the search up top I'm sure you'll find it

rberns 03-11-2012 11:43 PM

I just googled on how to put the RX on my L99 and found a Camaro5 thread with DIY instructions written by SC2150. It was an easy install other than removing the stock hose from the nipples. If I remember right the driver side should go to the center part of the can and the passenger side should go to the outer part of the can basically creating and X with the two lines.

ACE1USMC, did you just remove the RX and bring it back to dealership and say it should be covered under warranty? If not, how much did you pay out of pocket to get it fixed?

buzzy56 03-12-2012 12:00 AM

The Big question
 
The big question is why a manufacture would send out a quality product with insufficient or unclear install instructions ? Sound's like several purchasers have felt this way.You should not have to go to you tube or the web to find clear an concise in stall instructions on a product that you purchase.Especially on a product as critical as the catch can is.I received some intall instructions from a vendor on this site once that were the same way.Copied to many times, unclear pictures blurred et'c. so I know how the intaller feels.Too bad this turned out to be a major repair for you.Good luck with it.

2FST2LIV2YNG2DY 03-12-2012 12:20 AM

I don't know about anyone else but when I install something under the hood I always look for a DIY on here first.
And sorry for your issue with the RX can.

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LSX-80MM 03-12-2012 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ace1USMC (Post 4628760)
Cause I was even more stupid than the person that wrote the directions in the first place. I fully admit I was stupid to ignore the warning bells going off in my head based off of my own understanding of how essential a PCV system is and how it works. I was plain dumb to not trust myself in this case. STUUUUUUPID. I'm stupid. That's all there is to it. And now I gotta replace a rear main seal on a relatively new car.

Sam

Hey Ace I got sum good news for ya..I would very seriously doubt that you've gotta replace the rearmain seal,just clean up the mess,may have to do it acouple of times to get it all,but you should be fine.....really...:thumbsup:

Nutro 03-12-2012 01:25 AM

Yeah the instructions are a damn joke. I scoured the internet and found some instructions. Mine is installed correctly.

IndeedSS1 03-12-2012 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ace1USMC (Post 4628760)
Cause I was even more stupid than the person that wrote the directions in the first place. I fully admit I was stupid to ignore the warning bells going off in my head based off of my own understanding of how essential a PCV system is and how it works. I was plain dumb to not trust myself in this case. STUUUUUUPID. I'm stupid. That's all there is to it. And now I gotta replace a rear main seal on a relatively new car.

Sam

I wonder if you will be one that gets lucky and it will seal up on it's own not that the excess pressure has been relieved? I hope it does so you don't have to mess with it.

I had a torque wrench quit working while I was tightening an intake manifold bolt this weekned and snapped it off:facepalm: Stupid me for not realizing on my own that I had passed 89 inch pounds a few turns ago. It's nothing like a seal, but still sucks as this is my daily driver.

Good luck with it:thumbsup:


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