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68vert 04-18-2012 06:39 PM

Hey GM
 
As I was in the main Camaro5 forum looking at the various sub-forums, I noticed once again that the Z28 forum had no one viewing. So sad...wish GM would at least give us a "Yes, have faith"

2cnd chance 04-18-2012 06:49 PM

I think the regulars feel we've worked and talked it through for years. Including the what, how, and why. Now just waiting on the when. I'm sure when it's announced the Z28 section will explode!

ORANGE U NV 04-18-2012 07:42 PM

:popcorn:
I think the only chance will be maybe the last model year or two to keep sales hot (if needed).... kinda like the Boss 302 is for the Mustang. I am however encouraged that they are continually making improvments each year. Also, the 1LE would have been an easy way out for GM to finally have a Z/28 model.... but they didn't. :D I too would like a up or down.... but I do understand the need to not share "everything"

OldScoolCamaro 04-20-2012 09:51 PM

All points well taken, I think the majority feels the return will happen at some point within the not too distant future. ZL1...1LE...then....? A conscious effort taken by a performance oriented program with deliberate steps in mind. Maybe not ours, but their's. Follow the rhetoric, logic, and connect the dots. Enough has been alluded to by GM spokesman over the past the Z-28 will return. In a Gen 5 platform? Unsure. But in the new model 2016 I think it's a given. My .02

GoldenBear 04-22-2012 12:07 AM

I don't think it's terribly likely that a Z28 will be produced on the Zeta platform, but that's only my opinion. That's one of the reasons why I'm going to purchase a 2013 ZL1 (besides the fact that I think that the ZL1 is one of the type of vehicles that I have dreamed of owning), as I'm getting too old to wait for a Z28. However, if a Z28 is produced, Zeta or Alpha (which I think is more likely given the design parameters) I will purchase one, as the first gen Z28 concept is one of the types of vehicles that I have really wanted since the 5th Gen Camaro concept was unveiled. I know that a new Z28 will never be quite the same as a first gen Z28, and that one can never truly go home again, but the type of vehicle that first gen Z28 represented is a concept that, I think, that is still a vehicle that has a viable market, and would be a well received vehicle, even if it doesn't have a solid lifter 30-30 cam.:)

carguy 04-22-2012 09:11 AM

Proto Type....
 
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boxmonkeyracing 04-22-2012 09:33 AM

only problems I see. it's a second gen and it's not NA.

carguy 04-22-2012 09:46 AM

First Gen wasn't Either...Just said it was my version of a pro to type. Why not Move it along and make the next Z28 a second Gen Version. JMHO

I would have changed it up some to update some body lines but my tooling capacities are limited. Only can do so much....

Just a thought. Like it or leave it.

Gotta start somewhere. Already have to many versions of the 5 gen's what more can you do ?

carguy 04-22-2012 09:49 AM

After all the 5th's were styled after this FIRST gens or at least picked up some of the similar body lines. Why not Make the next, after the Seconds.All for a 5th Gen Z if it happens but not really sure what else they can do except loose some weight.

Maybe i am jumping the gun a little...just looking ahead and again JOMHU....:iono:

carguy 04-22-2012 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing (Post 4846045)
only problems I see. it's a second gen and it's not NA.

Hey they put the Z28 on the side Not Me....:word:

JimE 04-22-2012 10:01 AM

If history is any indication (look at the name or more simply badge changes of the 3rd Gens), the "SS" will simply become a "Z/28".

Having said that, as they currently appear to be keeping with tradition, if it returns, expect it to be a package option and faithful to it's origins (ie: 60's models). And most people won't be happy...as they want the "badge" and not the original intention of the package.

carguy 04-22-2012 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JimE (Post 4846200)
If history is any indication (look at the name or more simply badge changes of the 3rd Gens), the "SS" will simply become a "Z/28".

Having said that, as they currently appear to be keeping with tradition, if it returns, expect it to be a package option and faithful to it's origins (ie: 60's models). And most people won't be happy...as they want the "badge" and not the original intention of the package.

As sad as it is...I think you are right. Just day Dreaming.

Ater all, even the second gens version of a Z28 were just adding Z28 Decals and that was just about it. Maybe some extra gauges instead of dummy lights. maybe a lower rear gear ratio option to make the numbers look better but mainly just PR stuff.

The heritage of the first 608 might be lost forever....lets hope not.

boxmonkeyracing 04-22-2012 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by carguy (Post 4846139)
After all the 5th's were styled after this FIRST gens or at least picked up some of the similar body lines. Why not Make the next, after the Seconds.All for a 5th Gen Z if it happens but not really sure what else they can do except loose some weight.

Maybe i am jumping the gun a little...just looking ahead and again JOMHU....:iono:

because I for one. . don't care for the second gens. lol. I don't even like the 3rd gens. and I also believe that's where they started losing people. There was a 1st gen Z28 and has always been a Z28. this is the only generation with out a Z28. That's why there needs to be a 5th gen Z28.

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Originally Posted by carguy (Post 4846155)
Hey they put the Z28 on the side Not Me....:word:


I know you didn't, but you did put the supercharger on there. lol. it's just my opinion. like it or leave it. All Z28's should be Naturally Aspirated... just my opinion. would love a 5th gen with a gen V v-8 pushing 500 horses and FE6 suspension, and option to add a roll cage and remove the back seat.

SS ORANGE CRUSH SS 04-22-2012 10:08 AM

Me like the Z28 , had one!

boxmonkeyracing 04-22-2012 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JimE (Post 4846200)
If history is any indication (look at the name or more simply badge changes of the 3rd Gens), the "SS" will simply become a "Z/28".

Having said that, as they currently appear to be keeping with tradition, if it returns, expect it to be a package option and faithful to it's origins (ie: 60's models). And most people won't be happy...as they want the "badge" and not the original intention of the package.

there were no SS's in the second and third gens. . .SS returned in the 4th gens. and they were called Z28/SS for the first few years.

and I want to disagree about just wanting the badge. most people in the Z28 section here want the car to perform as it should. They want a car that harkens back to the original.

carguy 04-22-2012 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing (Post 4846225)
because I for one. . don't care for the second gens. lol. I don't even like the 3rd gens. and I also believe that's where they started losing people. There was a 1st gen Z28 and has always been a Z28. this is the only generation with out a Z28. That's why there needs to be a 5th gen Z28.




I know you didn't, but you did put the supercharger on there. lol. it's just my opinion. like it or leave it. All Z28's should be Naturally Aspirated... just my opinion. would love a 5th gen with a gen V v-8 pushing 500 horses and FE6 suspension, and option to add a roll cage and remove the back seat.

Well at least it looks like I got the Z28 thread moving along again...LOL

To each his own....I will leave the rest up to the Pro's at GM. Just thought I would through some new thoughts into the mix. Never said everyone would agree.

As always i respect everyones opinion and not here to debate...The floor is yours ....

boxmonkeyracing 04-22-2012 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by carguy (Post 4846243)
Well at least it looks like I got the Z28 thread moving along again...LOL

To each his own....I will leave the rest up to the Pro's at GM. Just thought I would through some new thoughts into the mix. Never said everyone would agree.

As always i respect everyones opinion and not here to debate...The floor is yours ....

oh at least you've got an opinion. if everyone agreed then the forum would be a boring place. and lets say the 6 th gen is based off the second. I hope not, but it's possible. Then you get your idea out there and maybe some other people agree. the car is going to be made to sale. and whomever has a greater backing will probably get a car more like they want. so keep talking.

Fraxum 04-22-2012 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by carguy (Post 4846121)
First Gen wasn't Either...Just said it was my version of a pro to type. Why not Move it along and make the next Z28 a second Gen Version. JMHO

I would have changed it up some to update some body lines but my tooling capacities are limited. Only can do so much....

Just a thought. Like it or leave it.

Gotta start somewhere. Already have to many versions of the 5 gen's what more can you do ?

Awesome Z28. I for one like the 2nd Gens. That looks like a fun car. But you really have the prototype of the current ZL1.

But wait the new ZL1 is not like the original it has FI. And it is a small block. So the ZL1-ness of the current car is a bit thin. So how do we reconcile?

Like all corporations GM worries about the current quarter and maybe the next but gives little thought to the long term future. So any label on a car is theirs to tarnish.

What really makes me excited is that Hot Rod video about the Chevy Skunkworks. Real motor heads are working hard at GM to give us cars that we not only can drool over, but actually buy.

The Z28 will re-appear at some point. And it will be good. It is a great time to be a muscle car nut. Even better than the good old days.

boxmonkeyracing 04-22-2012 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fraxum (Post 4846352)
Awesome Z28. I for one like the 2nd Gens. That looks like a fun car. But you really have the prototype of the current ZL1.

But wait the new ZL1 is not like the original it has FI. And it is a small block. So the ZL1-ness of the current car is a bit thin. So how dow we reconcile?

Like all corporations GM worries about the current quarter and maybe the next but gives little thought to the long term future. So any label on a car is theirs to tarnish.

What really makes me excited is that Hot Rod video about the Chevy Skunkworks. Real motor heads are working hard at GM to give us cars that we not only can drool over, but actually buy.

The Z28 will re-appear at some point. And it will be good. It is a great time to be a muscle car nut. Even better than the good old days.

+1 other then liking the second gen. lol.

order of my fav generations

1st
4th (mainly 98-02 and due to performance over all).
3rd
2nd

But my dad is right there with you all on the 2nd gen. he owned one and that's what I came home in from the hospital. so you could say I have camaro in my blood.

2cnd chance 04-22-2012 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fraxum (Post 4846352)
Awesome Z28. I for one like the 2nd Gens. That looks like a fun car. But you really have the prototype of the current ZL1.

But wait the new ZL1 is not like the original it has FI. And it is a small block. So the ZL1-ness of the current car is a bit thin. So how dow we reconcile?

Like all corporations GM worries about the current quarter and maybe the next but gives little thought to the long term future. So any label on a car is theirs to tarnish.

What really makes me excited is that Hot Rod video about the Chevy Skunkworks. Real motor heads are working hard at GM to give us cars that we not only can drool over, but actually buy.

The Z28 will re-appear at some point. And it will be good. It is a great time to be a muscle car nut. Even better than the good old days.

The ZL1 holds true to the original in that it is the top o the line and most powerful Camaro.

wildpaws 04-22-2012 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by carguy (Post 4846223)
As sad as it is...I think you are right. Just day Dreaming.

Ater all, even the second gens version of a Z28 were just adding Z28 Decals and that was just about it. Maybe some extra gauges instead of dummy lights. maybe a lower rear gear ratio option to make the numbers look better but mainly just PR stuff.

The heritage of the first 608 might be lost forever....lets hope not.

I would assume you are talking about the heritage of the '67 model year production which was actually 602. IMO the heritage continued throught the 7,199 built in '68 and the 20,302 built in '69, there were continual minor modifications/upgrades made through those three years and the '69 version had the best version of the engine, the DZ302. Who knows where the GM designers will go with the next generation, I have heard absolutely nothing that even comes close to a hint.
Clyde

2cnd chance 04-22-2012 06:17 PM

I don't think GM really knows.

Bottom line; you don't mess with success. If GM wants continued success they had better evolve the current 5Gen into the 6Gen.

Fraxum 04-22-2012 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance (Post 4847493)
The ZL1 holds true to the original in that it is the top o the line and most powerful Camaro.

True that.

2cnd chance 04-23-2012 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fraxum (Post 4849534)
True that.

I like your stripes, any more pics?

Fraxum 04-23-2012 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance (Post 4854431)
I like your stripes, any more pics?

Sure. I left them for you over in the big house on the coffee table.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...postcount=9096

Things can get lost over there. :)


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