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PistonsFan 06-27-2012 06:52 AM

MotorTrend Pits the ZL1 vs GT500 on the Street, Dragstrip, and Racetrack
 


2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs. 2013 Ford Shelby GT500








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THE STREET

"Be it a back road or the daily commute, the Camaro ZL1 is the better street car. Its magnetorheological shock absorbers offer an impressive performance range, smoothing the impacts of rough pavement in Tour mode and keeping the heavy chassis under control in Sport mode. Senior features editor Jonny Lieberman described it to me as "basically a sportier CTS-V," balancing ride and handling beautifully. The GT500, by contrast, suffers from a stiffer ride and too much vertical motion. Every bump gets your head bobbing up and down as the big Shelby bucks like an unbroken colt. Its two-mode Bilstein shocks are simply too stiff for everyday driving, even in Normal mode."

THE STRIP

"Drag racing, though, is not as cut-and-dry as it sounds. Timing is vitally important, as is traction. Cut a bad 60-foot time, and you might as well abort the race and try again. Still, it's usually a fair bet that all other things being equal, the more powerful car will win. That's certainly the case here. The 662-horsepower GT500 hits 60 mph in 3.5 seconds to the 580-horsepower ZL1's 3.8 seconds. The gap only widens from there, with the GT500 finishing the quarter-mile in 11.6 seconds at a blazing 125.7 mph, trailed by the Camaro at 12.1 seconds and 117.4 mph."

THE TRACK

"While the Mustang was a half-second faster around the track than the ZL1 on its best lap, it couldn't repeat the performance. By the end of the first lap, the brakes had already begun to heat up so badly, we could smell them from the pits as the car passed by on the front straight. By the end of the second lap, the Shelby had lost more than half of its advantage over the ZL1, turning a 1:39.03. By the third lap, the Mustang was behind the Camaro, turning a 1:39.30. The ZL1, meanwhile, never deviated by more than two-tenths of a second."

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OVERALL

ZL1 :thumbsup:


Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1yzdT5oQm

Brutal SS 06-27-2012 06:58 AM

Good info! Exactly what you might expect from these cars, with the exception of a small surprise or two!

Run and Gun 06-27-2012 06:59 AM

Nice:chevy:

SlingShot 06-27-2012 07:00 AM

Awesome !!!

Lets the excuses fly about a bad driver or some other crap now.

cjon9657 06-27-2012 07:09 AM

If you are a real car guy. you will have respect for all cars to some extent. the gt500 is very impressive. but i would never buy one. I'm a chevy guy.

A-little-perspective 06-27-2012 07:28 AM

I am surprised at the amount of info they provided. Wow!!!! These two cars are very close.

Conclusions: MT said pretty much the same thing as IL.

"It won't end here, though. Many of you probably jumped here to the end to find out who won, and you've already fired up your e-mail, Facebook, Twitter, and MotorTrend.com accounts. You'll dissect this story and all the data and conclusions, looking to support your case. You'll defend or defame us; you'll quote other sources and you'll cancel subscriptions. The musclecar war will continue to rage no matter what we say, and not a single die-hard Mustang or Camaro fan will change camps."

GrabberB5.Slow 06-27-2012 07:34 AM

I'd still prefer a straight line car than a corner carver anyday. I'd rather have the advantage where I can use it anywhere on any road where 99% of driving will take place, rather than making excuses, "Well if we were at the Autocross..." . GT500 in my book, it's faster and more powerful.

If I wanted a corner carver I'd build a kickass 240 for half the money and smoke both cars on the track.

But each to their own! If it wasn't for this rivalry these cars wouldn't exsist today.

DRKS1D3 06-27-2012 07:42 AM

Both are impressive cars! :D Nobody can deny that, but some will try.

Blown355 06-27-2012 07:44 AM

Wow! That was a dog fight. The Mustang gets it done with sheer brute force. Great read.

mdmoore23 06-27-2012 08:16 AM

Is anyone surprised about the GT500 posting faster lap times in the past few tests? It may need some brake ducts or different pads though.

zero 06-27-2012 08:21 AM

Now if the ZL1 woulda beat the GT500 in just about every performance test and they picked the GT500 for the win, the C5 server would crash from all the replies :D

SS vs GT 4.6 deja vu all over... slower yes but close enough we like the GT better...

I know how the GT500 guys must feel because I was the SS guy when they liked the slower GT or SRT better. Just saying...

Cam#7 06-27-2012 08:30 AM

Motortrend - ZL1 beats Shelby GT500
 
Great job Scotty !!!

Motortrend has compared the ZL1 and Shelby GT500 and declared the Camaro the winner !!!!!!!!

Street driving - Camaro

Dragstrip - Mustang

Road Course - Camaro - Mustang beat the Camaro the 1st lap but then it had serious brake fade.

kbui 06-27-2012 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PistonsFan (Post 5197174)
2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs. 2013 Ford Shelby GT500

THE TRACK

"While the Mustang was a half-second faster around the track than the ZL1 on its best lap, it couldn't repeat the performance. By the end of the first lap, the brakes had already begun to heat up so badly, we could smell them from the pits as the car passed by on the front straight. By the end of the second lap, the Shelby had lost more than half of its advantage over the ZL1, turning a 1:39.03. By the third lap, the Mustang was behind the Camaro, turning a 1:39.30. The ZL1, meanwhile, never deviated by more than two-tenths of a second."

http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadte...ca-Lap-Map.jpg


OVERALL

ZL1 :thumbsup:


Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1yzdT5oQm


By far this is the most complete review with actual numbers on the course for these cars. The ZL1 was clearly designed for consistency, i.e. in a single lap the GT500 would be faster, but lap after lap, the ZL1 would take it. Around the track, the GT500 would pull way ahead in the fast straights, but the ZL1 would catch it around the curves and even pass it until the next fast straight. Very similar to the IL's review but with actual numbers. Both are pretty amazing for American pony/muscle cars.

adamgl 06-27-2012 09:06 AM

Some Mustang guys swore the ZL1 would lose more time as laps went by b'c of heatsoak. But the GT500's brakes fade first. It sounds like it needs brake cooling ducts like the ZL1. And the ZL1 could use an intercooler upgrade to keep the temps down from stock.

But both are pretty awesome cars.

12 theoretical lead changes on the fast laps. ZL1 would out corner the 500 and the 500 would pass it back on the straights. ZL1 needs some power upgrades.

USMC Anti Venom 06-27-2012 09:16 AM

About time we get a comparison from motor trend. Just reminds me why I am on the wait list to get my ZL1.

oortcloud 06-27-2012 09:25 AM

Kudos to Randy Pobst showing how to get 'er done. Just amazing! The lead was exchanged 12 times in 1 lap.

I think if ford had included brake ducts in the track pack, the conclusion might have been different for this track. For a car that costs more this is puzzling. But definitely enough positive bits for both sides to keep the wars alive.

I have a zl1 on order, so take the following with a dose of salt. The race organization NASA will probably put these 2 cars in different classes. The zl1 will be in TTS while the gt500 will be in TTU. The fact that a less expensive car is keeping up with a car from a higher class on a road course is impressive. Next year, I'm considering TT which I why I pay attention to this.

radz28 06-27-2012 09:35 AM

Comprehensive reporting. I like it. KUDOS MT! :)

Lonny Doyle 06-27-2012 09:45 AM

If GM was offering an $8000 dollar power package to match the $8000 dollar performance package that the reviewers always seem to include when comparing the ZL1 to the GT500 would this make it closer to an apples to apples test or should they be testing both vehicles at base price?

Or does everyone, including Ford fans, think it is fair comparing a $64,770 GT500 against a $56,365 ZL1?

GmcSierra6.2 06-27-2012 10:09 AM

So what your telling me.... Is that if I wanna get to the dragstrip I gotta buy a zl1..... Unless the drag strip is in your back yard... In that case after you run it down the strip you will hit a wall and die cuz of the brake fade..... Seems legit

AZCamaroFan 06-27-2012 10:11 AM

:chevy:

2SS 2011 06-27-2012 10:15 AM

It failed the most important test... at the dragstrip.. Car is too heavy..

Tysen 06-27-2012 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2SS 2011 (Post 5198130)
It failed the most important test... at the dragstrip.. Car is too heavy..

Anyone can drive in a straight line. ZL1 won where it counts, IMO.

mdmoore23 06-27-2012 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonny Doyle (Post 5197940)
If GM was offering an $8000 dollar power package to match the $8000 dollar performance package that the reviewers always seem to include when comparing the ZL1 to the GT500 would this make it closer to an apples to apples test or should they be testing both vehicles at base price?

Or does everyone, including Ford fans, think it is fair comparing a $64,770 GT500 against a $56,365 ZL1?

I prefer the GT500 but I do think they should be doing some base car tests too. If not, there's always gonna be these what if's. There are multiple things that are contributing to that price difference though. The Shelby has a bit more options that can drive its price up than the ZL1 does. The performance package and track packages are less than $8k combined.

BAD ZL1 06-27-2012 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonny Doyle (Post 5197940)
If GM was offering an $8000 dollar power package to match the $8000 dollar performance package that the reviewers always seem to include when comparing the ZL1 to the GT500 would this make it closer to an apples to apples test or should they be testing both vehicles at base price?

Or does everyone, including Ford fans, think it is fair comparing a $64,770 GT500 against a $56,365 ZL1?

I think you have a great point. I was thinking the same thing, but you put it into words. Adding 8G to the ZL1 motor hmmm...wonder how that race turns out.

Frank in MD 06-27-2012 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2SS 2011 (Post 5198130)
It failed the most important test... at the dragstrip.. Car is too heavy..

If that is the most important test then you would have to say the Nissan GT-R is the best choice.


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