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2cnd chance 07-03-2012 08:24 PM

Redeem Thyself
 
As much as I like the ZL1, the GT500 performance wise has trumped it. They had to with their "old" machine or go home. They also new that GM was using their '12 GT500 for comparison.

GM to now trump the Mustang lets see a Z28/LS7. It will give you the marketing payback that the Camaro deserves. It will at a competitive price put the hurts to the Boss LS. Giving the Camaro the title of domestic street/race car, not GT car. C'mon GM answer back with the Camaro's most revered weapon...the Z28!

:popcorn:

boxmonkeyracing 07-03-2012 09:01 PM

ugh. ford hasn't trumped the ZL1. the 13 gt500 is an amazing machine. but even motortrend showed it's short comings and that was it's brakes, and handling. the ZL1 still out handles it. I would love to see the ZL1 on par with power and what it could do then. I would still expect the 500 to have the 1/4 mile but it would be closer then you'd expect due to traction out of the hole with the wider tires on the ZL1.

I still think the LS7 is a pipe dream. I'm still a believer that gen V motor will be the one they choose for the Z28. if not that a revamped version of the ls3, ala grand sport. but I do believe they need the z28. sales just don't show it though.

2cnd chance 07-03-2012 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing (Post 5233914)
ugh. ford hasn't trumped the ZL1. the 13 gt500 is an amazing machine. but even motortrend showed it's short comings and that was it's brakes, and handling. the ZL1 still out handles it. I would love to see the ZL1 on par with power and what it could do then. I would still expect the 500 to have the 1/4 mile but it would be closer then you'd expect due to traction out of the hole with the wider tires on the ZL1.

I still think the LS7 is a pipe dream. I'm still a believer that gen V motor will be the one they choose for the Z28. if not that a revamped version of the ls3, ala grand sport. but I do believe they need the z28. sales just don't show it though.

Yes, The Camaro is the more advanced & better value GT, but the GT500 is the "more" hardcore performer. Don't get me wrong I prefer the ZL1 over the GT500 if I was wanting a fully loaded "GT". However as I've stated many times I'm not looking for a Camaro GT. This is why I've held out in hopes of the Z28. It's why many in this section of the forum have discussed at great lengths what a Z28 should be and why immeadiatly we knew the ZL1 was not a Z28 (even GM knew it hence the name change).

BTW, I would like a new GenV engine, but wouldn't the base model V8 be released first? Also a revamped LS3 would add time and cost to a near dead design. (and they didn't even change it for the GS Vette).

General Lee 07-04-2012 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance (Post 5233772)
As much as I like the ZL1, the GT500 performance wise has trumped it. They had to with their "old" machine or go home. They also new that GM was using their '12 GT500 for comparison.

GM to now trump the Mustang lets see a Z28/LS7. It will give you the marketing payback that the Camaro deserves. It will at a competitive price put the hurts to the Boss LS. Giving the Camaro the title of domestic street/race car, not GT car. C'mon GM answer back with the Camaro's most revered weapon...the Z28!

:popcorn:

GM already has a car that trumps Ford.
The Corvette!!!
The camaro is GM's 2nd best. And still an awesome car!:thumbup:

2cnd chance 07-04-2012 10:17 AM

Thanks for your insight. :rolleyes:

Bad@ssCamaro 07-04-2012 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by General Lee (Post 5235232)
GM already has a car that trumps Ford.
The Corvette!!!
The camaro is GM's 2nd best. And still an awesome car!:thumbup:

Corvette maybe the top flagship in performance, but the Camaro is top dog in bringing home the bacon in that category :D

camarofreak 07-04-2012 10:51 AM

Its a long shot but i hope they put a 302 engine in the Z28 but of course the Z28 would have to be made next generation. But i think GM wants the Z28 to be a big boom and destroy the mustang. They (GM) wants the Z28 to be special thats why I think they wont make it this generation.

He11bent 07-04-2012 11:12 AM

Dude, You drive a Miata and have posted almost 2400 times on this forum. Its great you want a Z28 and I applaud your enthusiasm. But really? Your posting about articles youve read and your not even a GM customer and your making demands on how R&D money is spent? How much weight do you think that carries?

ShnOmac 07-04-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by He11bent (Post 5235595)
Dude, You drive a Miata and have posted almost 2400 times on this forum. Its great you want a Z28 and I applaud your enthusiasm. But really? Your posting about articles youve read and your not even a GM customer and your making demands on how R&D money is spent? How much weight do you think that carries?

Actually this forum does have some weight to it... :thumbsup:


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Norm Peterson 07-04-2012 12:33 PM

How much weight they (meaning 2cnd chance's opinions, not just the one in this thread) carry depends on how much weight any of the above folks care to give them.

They may have some value as opinions from outside the Camaro community from somebody with competition experience as opposed to, say, "geez, I really like that new color" or "ummm, don't really care for XXX". Beyond that . . . I haven't been around long enough to even speculate.


Norm

2cnd chance 07-04-2012 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by He11bent (Post 5235595)
Dude, You drive a Miata and have posted almost 2400 times on this forum. Its great you want a Z28 and I applaud your enthusiasm. But really? Your posting about articles youve read and your not even a GM customer and your making demands on how R&D money is spent? How much weight do you think that carries?

I'll take it as you've not educated yourself throughout this secion of the forum. Take a read through what's been discussed and you may better undersand why I started this thread. If you want something bad enough you gotta ask for it. Make your case establishing why and ask away until a firm no is made. My kids are relentless. Both I and others knew that from the beginning the now ZL1 and then Z28 was not a Z28. I'll hold out till the last of the 5Gens then decide where I'm at if no Z28 is produced. Thanks for noticing my level of patience. Oh and I was a diehard Camaro, TA and Formula guy for years till the quality got so low. I'm glad to say that GM is winning me over with their products again. ;)

ShnOmac 07-04-2012 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Norm Peterson (Post 5235909)

They may have some value as opinions from outside the Camaro community from somebody with competition experience as opposed to, say, "geez, I really like that new color" or "ummm, don't really care for XXX". Beyond that . . . I haven't been around long enough to even speculate.


Norm

Got ya! :thumbsup:

The Camaro team spends quite a bit of time around here listening and discussing with us. One of the way's we communicate is through the "disciples". The disciples are a group of Camaro enthusiast's (non GM employees) who sit down with GM behind closed doors and discuss their/our wants and such. GM has listened and has made changes based off of the input received from this community! It is really impressive actually.... :headbang:



For example....

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ight=disciples

wildpaws 07-04-2012 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by He11bent (Post 5235595)
Dude, You drive a Miata and have posted almost 2400 times on this forum. Its great you want a Z28 and I applaud your enthusiasm. But really? Your posting about articles youve read and your not even a GM customer and your making demands on how R&D money is spent? How much weight do you think that carries?

Perhaps you need to spend a little more time on the Z/28 forum so you'll better understand the people that are regulars here, where their excitement, enthusiasm and experience comes from, and what the majority of the die hard Z/28 fans want to see.
Clyde

LOWDOWN 07-04-2012 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wildpaws (Post 5236046)
Perhaps you need to spend a little more time on the Z/28 forum so you'll better understand the people that are regulars here, where their excitement, enthusiasm and experience comes from, and what the majority of the die hard Z/28 fans want to see.
Clyde

:word:

One thing IS "for sure"...no demand, no supply...

2cnd chance 07-04-2012 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildpaws (Post 5236046)
Perhaps you need to spend a little more time on the Z/28 forum so you'll better understand the people that are regulars here, where their excitement, enthusiasm and experience comes from, and what the majority of the die hard Z/28 fans want to see.
Clyde

It's nice to be understood. :drinking:

2cnd chance 07-04-2012 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN (Post 5236101)
:word:

One thing IS "for sure"...no demand, no supply...

Exactly! I would love to have a free place to gather input from product lovers. If GM didn't look at these threads shame on them! (but I know they do ;) )

Bhobbs 07-04-2012 03:57 PM

One thing is for sure, if GM waits until the 6th Gen for the Z28, they better make it worth the wait.

2cnd chance 07-04-2012 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 5236726)
One thing is for sure, if GM waits until the 6th Gen for the Z28, they better make it worth the wait.

They can swing the marketing pendulum back to the Camaro with the Z28/LS7. If they wait too long sales will decline and they will give the Mustang control again in the pony car wars.

Bhobbs 07-04-2012 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance (Post 5236783)
They can swing the marketing pendulum back to the Camaro with the Z28/LS7. If they wait too long sales will decline and they will give the Mustang control again in the pony car wars.

They might be able to. Using the sales from this gen for development, I think they should make the Z28 the focus of the 6th gen launch. Unless the 1LE is actually a test bed for the Z28, I don't know if it will make a comeback in this gen.

LOWDOWN 07-04-2012 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance (Post 5236449)
If GM didn't look at these threads shame on them! (but I know they do ;) )

I've got the whip marks to prove it... :D :confused0068:

2cnd chance 07-04-2012 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 5236877)
They might be able to. Using the sales from this gen for development, I think they should make the Z28 the focus of the 6th gen launch. Unless the 1LE is actually a test bed for the Z28, I don't know if it will make a comeback in this gen.

Gotta sell in the meantime. The Camaro's more than paid for, time to start pushing marketing harder as the car ages, ala Gt500 and the rest of the Mustang lineup.

2cnd chance 07-04-2012 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN (Post 5236896)
I've got the whip marks to prove it... :D :confused0068:

Ouch!

LOWDOWN 07-04-2012 05:17 PM

No pain...no GAIN... :thumbsup:

Bhobbs 07-04-2012 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance (Post 5236932)
Gotta sell in the meantime. The Camaro's more than paid for, time to start pushing marketing harder as the car ages, ala Gt500 and the rest of the Mustang lineup.

Exactly and make sure what ever they deliver lives up to the hype.

2cnd chance 07-04-2012 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 5237095)
Exactly and make sure what ever they deliver lives up to the hype.

We've made it easy for them by spelling out the recipe using on hand parts. A BIG no brainier, IMHO. :headbang:


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