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Yohan 07-05-2012 02:26 PM

Cured from V8 Bug
 
As stated on my "humiliated" thread yesterday, I was stricken by the v8 power craze after noticing substancial difference in low end response of a v8 Sequioa 4.7L w/ 240 hp and 315 torque, vs my 1LT v6. It really made me wonder about what an SS would feel like, and so I went to local dealer to c if it was possible to trade for an SS. The deal sucked for me, but the tought of the V8 power festered within.

Thanks to fellow members, I was able to get a grip for now, lol. Big thanks to those that suggested the nitrous route, "spray the pig", lol. Seems like the best option, because this way I have the fuel efficiency of my v6 (one of the reasons I got it in first place), but can hit the "75 shot" switch and get the A6 SS power whenever needed, and for only around $600-$800, depending on kit.

In mean time, will continue to upgrade exhaust and get a ported tb to help performance a bit, and add that spray afterwards to top off.

SC2150 07-05-2012 02:40 PM

Properly done a little spray is a wonderfull thing!! Congrats!

Yohan 07-05-2012 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SC2150 (Post 5241163)
Properly done a little spray is a wonderfull thing!! Congrats!

Yessir, great option and pretty inexpensive with good returns. Waiting on those ported tb dyno numbers, btw:)

usnatclee 07-05-2012 03:02 PM

Im waiting on DYNO numbers for the RX Supercharger. That will be my cure for V8 bug.

Yohan 07-05-2012 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by usnatclee (Post 5241301)
Im waiting on DYNO numbers for the RX Supercharger. That will be my cure for V8 bug.

Oh yes, that would def be a cure, but $6000 is just too much for me at this point.

Henry G. 07-05-2012 04:16 PM

I've had to teach a few import owners lately (2 about 15 min ago) some respect for Chevy. The Camaro and LFX in particular are highly under-estimated IMO. Exhaust and intake make a very nice improvement in power as well.
All I need is some decent tires. Chevy should be ashamed putting those POS BF Craprich tires on the 1LT, what a joke, I cant wait to get rid of them once they are worn out.
As far as the humiliated stuff, I test drove an auto and it was a dog compared to my manual. SO...make sure you are not shifting too early, as you not only will miss the best part of the power band but dump yourself into the next gear early and below the powerband. This engine likes to rev, the torque is actually really good IMO, but 4k-6500 is where its at fun/power wise.

Yohan 07-05-2012 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Henry G. (Post 5241788)
I've had to teach a few import owners lately (2 about 15 min ago) some respect for Chevy. The Camaro and LFX in particular are highly under-estimated IMO. Exhaust and intake make a very nice improvement in power as well.
All I need is some decent tires. Chevy should be ashamed putting those POS BF Craprich tires on the 1LT, what a joke, I cant wait to get rid of them once they are worn out.
As far as the humiliated stuff, I test drove an auto and it was a dog compared to my manual. SO...make sure you are not shifting too early, as you not only will miss the best part of the power band but dump yourself into the next gear early and below the powerband. This engine likes to rev, the torque is actually really good IMO, but 4k-6500 is where its at fun/power wise.

Thanks Henry! Unfortunately, I have the auto v6 1LT, and it does feel "like a dog" vs the v8 SUV accelaration and snap, and how seemingly easy it gets up to speed. Have not driven stick in like 9 yrs, and don;t really want to, but man, the shift points gotta be off on the A6, 'cause it just doesn't feel like it shifts at best points.

Best option is to try paddle shifters on Sport mode. Tried that, but again, the car wants to shift around 2000rpm, or 7-10mph increments! However, I;ve read that the manuals shift around 4-5000 rpm range! So again, perhaps the A6 shift points are a bit off?

The answer: some will say, "get a trifecta tune!" Really? Why should I be spending 300-400 on a tune to make my car feel right? We shouldn't need to do that. It's like GM really went conservative on the parameters of the v6, and it sure can do better.

GretchenGotGrowl 07-05-2012 07:05 PM

Manuals shift when the driver decides. On the auto, if you are at WOT it doesn't shift at 2000K, it shifts at close to redline. Sport mode will firm the shifts up a bit and hold the shifts longer when not at WOT.

Yohan 07-05-2012 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl (Post 5242598)
Manuals shift when the driver decides. On the auto, if you are at WOT it doesn't shift at 2000K, it shifts at close to redline. Sport mode will firm the shifts up a bit and hold the shifts longer when not at WOT.

Just went out for spin, and confirmed that at WOT, it defenitely shifts around the 4000-5000 rpm range---felt much better, more agressive, and more of what a sports car of this type should feel like:D

However, why does it seem to be sluggish under calm-moderate acceleration? It's like it's "bored" under conservative normal driving style, but really likes when u lay down the hammer:headbang:. Of course, this eats up my gas, man. Left at 24.6 mpg avg, and now I'm down to 24.1 after more agressive WOT driving to Home-Depot, LOL.

Yohan 07-05-2012 07:35 PM

Will stick to Sport mode from now on, as it does feel a bit more crisp or alive under normal acceleration. Just wish, it was snappier, and felt less sluggish when accelerating normally/moderately from dead stop to 40mph range. For some reason, after it gets into 4th it feels very easy and smooth, and accelerates much better from 40-80mph, than from 0-40mph.

Maybe that ported TB would help in waking up the low-end---there's like some lag, or something under normal acceleration 1500-2000 rpm.

Angrybird 12 07-05-2012 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Yohan (Post 5242516)
Best option is to try paddle shifters on Sport mode. Tried that, but again, the car wants to shift around 2000rpm, or 7-10mph increments! However, I;ve read that the manuals shift around 4-5000 rpm range! So again, perhaps the A6 shift points are a bit off?
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When you put the shifter in M it's in sport mode until you use the paddles then it is in manual mode. If you are using the paddles you deside when to shift. Mine never shifts up when using the paddles at 2000rpm unless I do the shifting.

Yohan 07-05-2012 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Angrybird 12 (Post 5242789)
When you put the shifter in M it's in sport mode until you use the paddles then it is in manual mode. If you are using the paddles you deside when to shift. Mine never shifts up when using the paddles at 2000rpm unless I do the shifting.

ABird-you're right. Funny thing is that when I paddle shift in Sport mode, the car seems to like to shift around the 2000rpm mark, and 8-10 mph increments. For example, shiting from 1st to second, around 10mph, and around 2000 rpm, it already seems to want to get into 2nd, and so that's when I shift to 2nd, m2, then around 20mph, around 2000rpm, it's ready for 3rd, etc. I've tried shifting around the 3000-4000 rpm range and it seems over-revved, for some reason? This is for an A6. Seems like manuals are a bit different.

When paddle shifting, around what rpm range are you shifting?

Angrybird 12 07-05-2012 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Yohan (Post 5242866)
ABird-you're right. Funny thing is that when I paddle shift in Sport mode, the car seems to like to shift around the 2000rpm mark, and 8-10 mph increments. For example, shiting from 1st to second, around 10mph, and around 2000 rpm, it already seems to want to get into 2nd, and so that's when I shift to 2nd, m2, then around 20mph, around 2000rpm, it's ready for 3rd, etc. I've tried shifting around the 3000-4000 rpm range and it seems over-revved, for some reason? This is for an A6. Seems like manuals are a bit different.

When paddle shifting, around what rpm range are you shifting?

It really depends on the type driving I am doing but never under 3000rpm, I would say under normal driving around 4,000. It really makes the car peppier.

SimpleGreen 07-05-2012 08:10 PM

You must be driving really light on the pedal. I typically drive in 'M' and unless I want to seriously hold traffic up she won't shift at anything less than 2500-2750.

Don't be afraid to rev that motor. It MUST be spun to move that car with any authority.

Honestly, I just think your being too nice to it, lol :)

SPARTAN sui 07-05-2012 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl (Post 5242598)
Manuals shift when the driver decides. On the auto, if you are at WOT it doesn't shift at 2000K, it shifts at close to redline. Sport mode will firm the shifts up a bit and hold the shifts longer when not at WOT.

This^ my LLT shifts just before redline at WOT while in sport mode. I always drive around in sport mode. However I'm going to use drive on my road trip to the cities to see what kind of MPG I get. I should be able to control myself being my GF will be with me, and she doesn't like to drive spiritedly like I do. :iono: :laugh:

I got 24MPG while in sport mode driving to OK ~1,000 miles. But I was cruising pretty quickly.

Yohan 07-05-2012 08:20 PM

SimpleGreen & AngryBird: maybe you're right! Guess since I've been focused on getting good mpg, I might be driving it a bit conservative. I've notived that the car's mpg ave suffers most from 0-40 mph, accelerating from stop to around 4th gear--it eats up gas in that range, but after that it's great with mpg.

Be right back boyz---I'll be taking my 1LT for a little spin and try the sport mode paddle shifting in the 3-4k rpm range and see what happens.

Perhaps this car just likes more agressive driving. That's cool, but I don't want 20mpg avg, EITHER---for that I'll rather have a v8, lol.

SimpleGreen 07-05-2012 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Yohan (Post 5242955)
SimpleGreen & AngryBird: maybe you're right! Guess since I've been focused on getting good mpg, I might be driving it a bit conservative. I've notived that the car's mpg ave suffers most from 0-40 mph, accelerating from stop to around 4th gear--it eats up gas in that range, but after that it's great with mpg.

Be right back boyz---I'll be taking my 1LT for a little spin and try the sport mode paddle shifting in the 3-4k rpm range and see what happens.

Perhaps this car just likes more agressive driving. That's cool, but I don't want 20mpg avg, EITHER---for that I'll rather have a v8, lol.


Don't even worry about the paddles. Just let her ride in 'M' and shift auto. Just don't act like the go pedal is an egg shell. I'm averaging 25MPG and I'm not by any means the slow car on the road.

Yohan 07-05-2012 08:25 PM

Spartan--yep, this car shines on hwy. Has no problem accelerating past 4th around the 40-50mph+ range. It's fun to set it to cruise control 75mph on hwy, and whatch the mph avg keep rising--amazing. However, making the most mpg from 1-4th, 0-40 mph, city driving, it's a different story---gotta be easier on throttle, cause accelerating agressively from dead stop to 4th, up to around 40 mph, it eats up gas, LOL

SimpleGreen 07-05-2012 08:32 PM

The only other thing I can say is....ignore your MPG on your DIC. Your just gonna over analyze it constantly, lol. Reset it at the start of the tank, drive the car how you see fit, check it when your dry ;)

Henry G. 07-05-2012 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleGreen (Post 5243013)
The only other thing I can say is....ignore your MPG on your DIC. Your just gonna over analyze it constantly, lol. Reset it at the start of the tank, drive the car how you see fit, check it when your dry ;)

Word! Drive the car, have fun. It it costs $3 more a tank to drive how does that compare to the payment? This is a 323 HP car not a Nissan Sentra!!

usnatclee 07-05-2012 08:49 PM

I wish the LS had a sport mode. I am hoping the engine/transmission tune I get with the RX Supercharger plus the gears I plan on installing make it much better.

Yohan 07-05-2012 09:09 PM

Well, just came back from little experiment drive. Started my stealth fighter up, and looked through my CD case, popped in Alter Bridge, "Ties that Bind", :headbang:turned vol up, and hit the road on Sport mode, no paddles.[ Reset mpg avg MPG and then blasted some Creed, "Bullets".]

Took a trip around city, 10 miles. Avg speed was 22 mph (stopping, slowing down, etc). Had about 5 stop signs, 5 traffic lights. This time I accelerated more agressively, aroround 2500-3000 rpm untill I got to 45-50mph, and then "coasted" keeping it around 1200 rpm, and man, this car loves it. Great combo. Had to pass a slow a$$ truck in front of me slowing everyone down, and crossed 2 over-passes (uphill).

Looked at my avg MPG DIC, and 24.1 mpg avg:thumbup:

Amazing for a city drive! From now on, will only drive in Sport mode:)

Camaroshark 07-05-2012 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SC2150 (Post 5241163)
Properly done a little spray is a wonderfull thing!! Congrats!

Don't think of an SS with spray...:popcorn:

Yohan 07-05-2012 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Camaroshark (Post 5243270)
Don't think of an SS with spray...:popcorn:

No SS here, just the v6, but man an SS with even 75 shot of NOS would be crazy!:rolleyes:

Love the challenge of the v6 and making the most of it. I think that installing a nos kit, leaning to one of those 3ple Threat kits, is a great way to have the 70-100 hp and torque ready to fire when needed, and thus have the SS feel and more at the flip of a hidden switch, for about $800, instead of paying $6000 for a supercharger.

Yohan 07-05-2012 09:37 PM

Just noticed an interesting fact:

The SS trim comes with 426hp/420ft-lbs torque = 1.01 hp/torque ratio.

However, my 2012 1LT has 323hp/278ft-lbs torque, which = 1.16 hp/torque ratio.

Perhaps its this torque difference in the v6 that makes it feel a bit heavy/sluggish when accelerating...my CAI defenitely help a bit in the low end feel, but still not as agressive as I'd like. Just needs a little more throttle response on low-end. Perhaps the Rx ported TB will help a bit more in this regard.


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