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SIXJAK 07-06-2012 07:04 PM

So begins SIXJAK's sojourn into FI...
 
After much waiting-some self inflicted, some not, I got the call today at about 4:40CST from RX informing me that they indeedwere shipping my kit and were needing to confirm my shipping address.

The moment is here I guess. I am excited and apprehensive and yet I'm having such bipolar thoughts and emotions. Is this normal? Maybe not. I just have a lot to explain to the wife when it arrives. The "Power Charger" (she's so cute) is her gift to me but she's waiting on her inheritance money from her father who passed away several months ago. It's tied up in probate because some i's weren't dotted and t's not crossed.

Prior to a Tornado hitting in Branson I had stockpiled away some cash (honey don't know money) for this mod. A friend who was hit hard needed some cash so I loaned him what I had. he paid me back in less than 2 months and as he paid me back I sent it to Tracy to pay for my SC kit to get the ball rolling thinking that by June at the latest my wife would be getting her money. And voila I'd have a SC plus enough money to properly pay to play should something like a motor break. Still waiting on that money Gaaaaaaaah. I know, "Cool Story Bro!"

I'm trying to rationalize to myself but I'm not sure it's working. We're going to Disneyworld next month and my wife is shoving money away for that on top of trying to finish a downstairs remodel. So a bit of dilemma.

The OD pulleys are still not in so I am debating as to whether I should just wait until my OD pulley ships to do the install. My car is also used as a show car of sorts to promote my business and if it's out of commission too long the other owners (my bros) will begin to make comments and when they begin to make comments, I become defensive. And when I become defensive, a DIRECTV-ish cataclysm of events may occur.

I'll keep you all posted. As the saying goes: "_______ about to get real."

SSE 4 2SS 07-06-2012 07:10 PM

Somebody been a bad boy... Rat-holeing... Love It...

Welcome to the Insanity... Following along...

Are you going to start a build journal, if you don't already have one...

:popcorn::popcorn:

GretchenGotGrowl 07-06-2012 07:18 PM

Congrats Jak. Can't wait to see it in person. Now we just need to convince KMP to take the plunge!

Can't_C_Me 07-06-2012 07:25 PM

Lmao, loved your story! Congrats and keep us posted!! And use the stock SC pulley then when the 9psi one gets in compare.

Yellow_Glide 07-06-2012 07:45 PM

Great write up. Congrats on another step - will all be installed and running before you know it. Well done on the rat hole - being married, that's the only way "special projects" get funded.

TJ91 07-06-2012 08:27 PM

lmao good stuff Six! Cant wait to see your car when its all done. This thread is going to be alot of fun :D

KMPrenger 07-06-2012 09:03 PM

Good luck Jak. Ill be following closely.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl (Post 5248138)
Congrats Jak. Can't wait to see it in person. Now we just need to convince KMP to take the plunge!

Considering I may have a chance to ride along in both your cars within the next month or two, I will definitely be jealous lol....but think ill he NA for a good while yet.

Eric59 07-06-2012 09:33 PM

I envy you guys that can afford these FI builds. I do enjoy reading about them. Good luck with yours Sixjak.

V6owner 07-06-2012 10:00 PM

Congrats big man!

hunterv6 07-06-2012 11:50 PM

Congrats


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SIXJAK 07-07-2012 09:31 AM

According to FedEx tracking, my SC kit is scheduled to be delivered on July 11. We'll see....

GretchenGotGrowl 07-07-2012 10:05 AM

:popcorn:

scrming 07-07-2012 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIXJAK (Post 5248082)
After much waiting-some self inflicted, some not, I got the call today at about 4:40CST from RX informing me that they indeedwere shipping my kit and were needing to confirm my shipping address.

The moment is here I guess. I am excited and apprehensive and yet I'm having such bipolar thoughts and emotions. Is this normal? Maybe not. I just have a lot to explain to the wife when it arrives. The "Power Charger" (she's so cute) is her gift to me but she's waiting on her inheritance money from her father who passed away several months ago. It's tied up in probate because some i's weren't dotted and t's not crossed.

Prior to a Tornado hitting in Branson I had stockpiled away some cash (honey don't know money) for this mod. A friend who was hit hard needed some cash so I loaned him what I had. he paid me back in less than 2 months and as he paid me back I sent it to Tracy to pay for my SC kit to get the ball rolling thinking that by June at the latest my wife would be getting her money. And voila I'd have a SC plus enough money to properly pay to play should something like a motor break. Still waiting on that money Gaaaaaaaah. I know, "Cool Story Bro!"

I'm trying to rationalize to myself but I'm not sure it's working. We're going to Disneyworld next month and my wife is shoving money away for that on top of trying to finish a downstairs remodel. So a bit of dilemma.

The OD pulleys are still not in so I am debating as to whether I should just wait until my OD pulley ships to do the install. My car is also used as a show car of sorts to promote my business and if it's out of commission too long the other owners (my bros) will begin to make comments and when they begin to make comments, I become defensive. And when I become defensive, a DIRECTV-ish cataclysm of events may occur.

I'll keep you all posted. As the saying goes: "_______ about to get real."

I know the feeling!!! I was all excited about buying my methanol kit... BUT, then it was time to install it... and then I started thinking "What the hell am i doing..." and was very nervous about it... almost called it off!! UGH!!! I break the wife's car.... OMG... yeah... you know where that's going! LOL!

BUT, i did what I recommend everyone that is doing this kind of level of mods do... You need to have a Plan B and the means to execute it! While I have no doubt you will most likely have miles and miles of trouble free driving with the SC kit... you do need to at least think about a Plan B in case the worst happens... I did that with Scott from MRT. We came up with a Plan B and a figure to fund Plan B... just in case...

It's actually GOOD thing that you are second guessing things! That tell me you are thinking things through! I mean let's talk about the elephant in the room... What happens if the unthinkable happens and you break your motor? How long will your car be down? Do you have at least another vehicle you can use while your car is down? Will you be hanging out with Charlie Sheen, reenacting scenes from "Platoon"?

What bothers me is the young guy, whose car is there only vehicle, living pay-check to pay-check, who wants to finance a turbo or SC for their car...

SIXJAK 07-07-2012 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrming (Post 5250501)
I know the feeling!!! I was all excited about buying my methanol kit... BUT, then it was time to install it... and then I started thinking "What the hell am i doing..." and was very nervous about it... almost called it off!! UGH!!! I break the wife's car.... OMG... yeah... you know where that's going! LOL!

BUT, i did what I recommend everyone that is doing this kind of level of mods do... You need to have a Plan B and the means to execute it! While I have no doubt you will most likely have miles and miles of trouble free driving with the SC kit... you do need to at least think about a Plan B in case the worst happens... I did that with Scott from MRT. We came up with a Plan B and a figure to fund Plan B... just in case...

It's actually GOOD thing that you are second guessing things! That tell me you are thinking things through! I mean let's talk about the elephant in the room... What happens if the unthinkable happens and you break your motor? How long will your car be down? Do you have at least another vehicle you can use while your car is down? Will you be hanging out with Charlie Sheen, reenacting scenes from "Platoon"?

What bothers me is the young guy, whose car is there only vehicle, living pay-check to pay-check, who wants to finance a turbo or SC for their car...

Yep you're so right (and why does the forum look so ghey right now? I certainly hope this isn't a permanent change.)
My main concern is getting into a situation where I'm chasing my tail trying to find the right tune along with the current shortcomings associated with data logging and getting an update in a timely manner.

I do have my truck to drive should the unthinkable happen and a Scion xB in storage should the truck go down as well. And if those options tank on me then i can bum rides off my wife, LOL.

And if my wife would ever get her money, then I've got that buy a new motor money should it go kaboom. Otherwise I'm back to rat-holing.

Wanting that Razzi body kit and to do some interior/exterior lighting mods and maybe some cams and ported heads. Something tells me the more porting done the better this motor will sound. Ported IM helped a bit.

KMPrenger 07-07-2012 02:04 PM

I'm thinking the key is making sure the tune is really ready for aggressive driving. If the tune has the car doing mid to high 11s for AFR, then I think the engine should be pretty happy. What makes me nervous is seeing some guys driving hard when their tune is not quite ready for it.

Amazingly, we still have not really seen any blown engines or transmissions due to the extra power at the standard boost levels. (well, one engine did go boom, but we all found out the tune was not ready to handle the psi he was throwing at it). So that is why I feel for the basic 5 - 6psi setup I think these engines/powertrains will last a lot of miles. But I think we have yet to see how all the components hold up when we really start pushing these things 8 - 10 or more psi.

I feel like if I was purchasing one of these kits I'd probably stick with the basic 5 - 6 psi at the beginning for awhile for a few reasons: 1) the tune seems to be ready....although it seems that the higher psi tune isn't far away from being fine as well. 2)It would still give me a lot more power and staying at this level for a while gives me more headroom for another upgrade in power down the road if I want it. 3) Staying at the lower boost levels would also give me the chance to see you other pioneers going into higher boosts and learn from your experiences/issues before I went there.

But that is just me. I realize when spending that much money, it makes the most sense to get as much power as you can, but I'm usually easily satisfied lol.

scrming 07-07-2012 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIXJAK (Post 5251112)
Yep you're so right (and why does the forum look so ghey right now? I certainly hope this isn't a permanent change.)
My main concern is getting into a situation where I'm chasing my tail trying to find the right tune along with the current shortcomings associated with data logging and getting an update in a timely manner.

I do have my truck to drive should the unthinkable happen and a Scion xB in storage should the truck go down as well. And if those options tank on me then i can bum rides off my wife, LOL.

And if my wife would ever get her money, then I've got that buy a new motor should it go kaboom. Otherwise I'm back to rat-holing.

Wanting that Razzi body kit and to do some interior/exterior lighting mods and maybe some cams and ported heads. Something tells me the more porting done the better this motor will sound. Ported IM helped a bit.

Good... sounds like you've been doing a good job thinking things through... But your right on the money about the tuning... i see that becoming the systems Achilles heel... :iono:

Pt_killa 07-07-2012 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrming (Post 5250501)
What bothers me is the young guy, whose car is there only vehicle, living pay-check to pay-check, who wants to finance a turbo or SC for their car...

Lol I was that young guy but without the financing part. Thank god nothing happened. I did manage to save up a few thousand a couple months after I finished just incase the motor blew. I would never put myself in that situation again but I will never regret that I did do it if that makes sense!

But Congrats six, finally you can put some power behind the looks!

SIXJAK 07-07-2012 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrming (Post 5251266)
Good... sounds like you've been doing a good job thinking things through... But your right on the money about the tuning... i see that becoming the systems Achilles heel... :iono:

It certainly has the potential to. But I think Tracy is a pretty smart guy and it sounds like some other tuning options are emerging that he already has relationships with that he can tap into. No disrespect to Trifecta, but they seem to be in the position where they can't keep up with the demand.

Vince is a great guy and has worked his tail off to help us V6ers. He's just gotta figure out a way to get his products ands services out to the masses in a manner that satisfies demand and his own quality standards which I know are high and protect his intellectual property. No small task indeed.

IPF though it currently has less tuning options seems to be a well thought out tune if you're just doing axlebacks with your SC. Hopefully some fences can be mended and they could possibly step up and fill a void as well. It's the same head unit though the piping is different. Not sure how that all affects the tuning process though.

SIXJAK 07-07-2012 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMPrenger (Post 5251254)
I'm thinking the key is making sure the tune is really ready for aggressive driving. If the tune has the car doing mid to high 11s for AFR, then I think the engine should be pretty happy. What makes me nervous is seeing some guys driving hard when their tune is not quite ready for it.

Amazingly, we still have not really seen any blown engines or transmissions due to the extra power at the standard boost levels. (well, one engine did go boom, but we all found out the tune was not ready to handle the psi he was throwing at it). So that is why I feel for the basic 5 - 6psi setup I think these engines/powertrains will last a lot of miles. But I think we have yet to see how all the components hold up when we really start pushing these things 8 - 10 or more psi.

I feel like if I was purchasing one of these kits I'd probably stick with the basic 5 - 6 psi at the beginning for awhile for a few reasons: 1) the tune seems to be ready....although it seems that the higher psi tune isn't far away from being fine as well. 2)It would still give me a lot more power and staying at this level for a while gives me more headroom for another upgrade in power down the road if I want it. 3) Staying at the lower boost levels would also give me the chance to see you other pioneers going into higher boosts and learn from your experiences/issues before I went there.

But that is just me. I realize when spending that much money, it makes the most sense to get as much power as you can, but I'm usually easily satisfied lol.

KM great points and you got me thinking I might just go ahead and install my base SC kit sans HPFP for now and just run 5-6#'s of boost. It seemed the tune for that set up right now is pretty solid.

You guys and your words of wisdom are very helpful.

riki3fan 07-07-2012 11:47 PM

I went through that moment of panic during our build as well. Thinking, wow, I can't believe I just laid out that kind of cash. We have contingency plans, including two spare cars, just in case, and a husband that can fix anything that could go wrong. But it is still scary to think how much you're throwing at the car, both from a money and from a power perspective. And then hoping that it can handle it.

But it is such a rush to feel the power under that hood. To finally see your passenger thrown back against their seat is a really great feeling. No matter what, you will love the way your car drives, even if it has to come in stages. And you will finally feel that sense of respect coming from the V8 people in your life/club. That is another great feeling. I hope you can work out any kinks that might come along. Just keep the end goal in mind, and you'll be fine. Congrats on taking the plunge! It makes your stomach sink like you're on a high dive, but the rush is totally worth it. Good luck!

SIXJAK 07-08-2012 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riki3fan (Post 5253453)
I went through that moment of panic during our build as well. Thinking, wow, I can't believe I just laid out that kind of cash. We have contingency plans, including two spare cars, just in case, and a husband that can fix anything that could go wrong. But it is still scary to think how much you're throwing at the car, both from a money and from a power perspective. And then hoping that it can handle it.

But it is such a rush to feel the power under that hood. To finally see your passenger thrown back against their seat is a really great feeling. No matter what, you will love the way your car drives, even if it has to come in stages. And you will finally feel that sense of respect coming from the V8 people in your life/club. That is another great feeling. I hope you can work out any kinks that might come along. Just keep the end goal in mind, and you'll be fine. Congrats on taking the plunge! It makes your stomach sink like you're on a high dive, but the rush is totally worth it. Good luck!

Thank you riki. Glad you got ur FI installed and are are lovin it.

smoke1lt 07-08-2012 07:25 PM

SIX I know you have been waiting for this for along time,your almost there.I know I am still willing to try the 2'' od pulley even though Baylor's tune might not perfect yet.I know some might not take the risk,but the only way to get it to work is for people to try it and see what happens.If you get get with Tracy he has a post that he can get a 1'' od and 1.5 od pulley that might be better for us on the stock HPFP,but the only way to find out is for someone to try the differant size pulleys and find what one will work the best.Hats off to Baylor for trying the 2'' first,I hope we can still get it to work.:thumbup:

SIXJAK 07-08-2012 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoke1lt (Post 5256271)
SIX I know you have been waiting for this for along time,your almost there.I know I am still willing to try the 2'' od pulley even though Baylor's tune might not perfect yet.I know some might not take the risk,but the only way to get it to work is for people to try it and see what happens.If you get get with Tracy he has a post that he can get a 1'' od and 1.5 od pulley that might be better for us on the stock HPFP,but the only way to find out is for someone to try the differant size pulleys and find what one will work the best.Hats off to Baylor for trying the 2'' first,I hope we can still get it to work.:thumbup:

Ok good to know. Thanks for sharing that.

SIXJAK 07-09-2012 10:23 PM

Just noticed in my email that another 3lb FedEx package from Palmetto, FL is enroute? OD pulley?

V6owner 07-09-2012 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIXJAK (Post 5263055)
Just noticed in my email that another 3lb FedEx package from Palmetto, FL is enroute? OD pulley?

Now that wouldn't be fair if you got yours and I didn't lol


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