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SonomaJohn 07-19-2012 11:57 PM

Hill Start Assist - Improvement or a Step Back
 
I am not sure the Hill Start Assist "feature" that was added this year is such a good thing. For those who are not familiar with it, when you stop on a hill holding the brake in low gear, it will keep the brakes on after you take your foot off the pedal to keep you from rolling backwards. Sounds like it might be a good idea but the problem is that it holds the brakes on for 2 seconds after the brake pedal is released. So for those of us who are quick and didn't have problems starting on hills will now probably kill the engine most every time because the brakes will still be on. Those with slow reactions that kept rolling backwards might do better.

This must of been an idea from the marketing department because it is more trouble than it is worth. There is a very handy parking brake that can be used to perform this function under the driver's control. Now I find that I have to remember to wait until the car just starts to roll back before I can take off. Why is this an improvement over what we have always had? :iono:

two_wheel_mayhem 07-20-2012 12:02 AM

Ford has it on the 2013 Mustang too.

You don't need it if you can drive a manual properly, nor do you need to use the parking brake.

SonomaJohn 07-20-2012 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by two_wheel_mayhem (Post 5316935)
Ford has it on the 2013 Mustang too.

You don't need it if you can drive a manual properly, nor do you need to use the parking brake.

One comment about using the parking brake on a hill. I drive in San Francisco very often and there are some hills there that even us old guys that have been driving sticks for 50 years use the parking brake! :)

heRS 07-20-2012 12:20 AM

My 83 Subaru had it. Awesome stuff, I'm surprised more cars don't have them. I've driven manuals since 1972, so it's not like I have a problem on hills, but that hill brake was a cool deal regardless.

Nessal 07-20-2012 12:48 AM

Learn to use all 4 limbs on a hill and you don't have any problems.

Left hand on steering wheel
Right hand on emergency brakes
Left leg feathering the clutch
Right leg modulating the throttle

There are quite a few 50+ degree incline in San Francisco and it never fails me. The only thing that I hate are retards that RIDE YOUR ASS CLOSE on a hill.

snaphappy 07-20-2012 12:52 AM

Is there a way to deactivate the feature? Is it part of Stabilitrak? Sorry bad spelling

otter 07-20-2012 01:41 AM

Looks like all the bay area people are speaking up. SF is a horrible place to drive a stick. The people behind you are the worst.

REDXIIIDave 07-20-2012 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by snaphappy (Post 5317051)
Is there a way to deactivate the feature? Is it part of Stabilitrak? Sorry bad spelling

Wow. Someone who spelled perfectly, who says "sorry" for spelling.:bow::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:. I just thought you needed some positive reinforcement.

SnowVert 07-20-2012 06:28 AM

First, I will preface this by saying I have not driven a 2013 Camaro with this feature yet, so I am merely theorizing. If I'm incorrect, please correct me.

I did have Hill Assist on my last car. same idea, hold the brakes for an extra two seconds to give you just enough time to get rolling. with that system, it only applied the brakes just enough to hold the car from rolling backwards. Very light pressure will do this. In other words, it did not lock the wheels to prevent any and all movement. The purpose of this system is to let you start moving forward while it is still on.

OP, are you saying that in the Camaro, it applies so much pressure on the brakes that you are not able to move forward until it deactivates? If this is the case, it would be a step backwards. I would assume however that Chevrolet would not design a system such as this, as it requires you to guess when the two seconds are up. After all, once the hill assist releases the brakes, you would be in the same position as if the system did not even exist. To me, this wouldn't make sense.

:iono:

dwinva 07-20-2012 06:39 AM

I picked up my 2013 a couple of weeks ago and I know what the OP it talking about. If you give it enough gas (1200-1500 RPM) and let out the clutch it will have enough power to overcome the braking. I'm guessing the OP is like me and doesn't give it that much throttle...over the years I have learned to keep the RPM's at or below 1000 while letting off the clutch when starting out...less clutch wear (my 1991 Jeep has 115K on the original clutch and it's still going strong). I'm not saying one way is better than the other, but if you're used to keeping your RPM's down then the hill assist takes some getting used to.

67ss350camaro 07-20-2012 06:56 AM

I looked at a 2012 Sonic for my daughter. It also has the hill assist. As it was explained to me (did not test it myself), the hill assist only holds until the accelerator is pressed and then it releases the brake. According to a Sonic brochure, if you turn off StabiliTrak it will disable the hill assist also.

dwinva 07-20-2012 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 67ss350camaro (Post 5317433)
I looked at a 2012 Sonic for my daughter. It also has the hill assist. As it was explained to me (did not test it myself), the hill assist only holds until the accelerator is pressed and then it releases the brake. According to a Sonic brochure, if you turn off StabiliTrak it will disable the hill assist also.

Interesting....in the Camaro pressing on the accelerator does not release the hill assist.

MrGood 07-20-2012 08:04 AM

You cant post negative things here in camarofanboyland what is wrong with you

two_wheel_mayhem 07-20-2012 08:59 AM

It deactivates almost instantly, it works off the clutch pedal safety switch.

You probably can't even tell it's happening, except for the fact that you don't roll backwards.

JJ#48Racing 07-20-2012 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dwinva (Post 5317588)
Interesting....in the Camaro pressing on the accelerator does not release the hill assist.

That's odd if the Camaro doesn't release the brake when the accelerator is pressed. I know it's an automatic, but my Equinox has hill assist as well, and it releases the brake as soon as the accelerator is pressed.

two_wheel_mayhem 07-20-2012 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SonomaJohn (Post 5316962)
One comment about using the parking brake on a hill. I drive in San Francisco very often and there are some hills there that even us old guys that have been driving sticks for 50 years use the parking brake! :)


And I will have to agree, I stand corrected. Do what you gotta do to prevent messing up your back bumper.

GunnyG 07-20-2012 09:09 AM

My '95 Suburu had it. It comes in handy sometime.

menendez1293 07-20-2012 09:13 AM

I have not driven a 13 manual but have driven another car with hill assist ant it generaly worked like this

1. You hold the brake push in the clutch and go into first
2. You let go of the brake And switch over to the gas
3 you leave like if it was flat and the car will do the rest.

Realistically speaking it should only take anyone that was had practice 2 seconds to switch from the brake to the gas and ease of the clutch. My 12 cruze and 10 camaro booth don't have it but I just use the emergency break. I rather save my rear bumper and be safe than wear the hell out of my clutch and roll backwards

MikeSVX 07-20-2012 11:40 AM

Our sonic has it. It caused me to get rear ended at a stop light. It caused me to stall the engine taking off and the car behind me hit me. Idiot took off too. Didn't stop to see if we were ok or had any damage. Luckilly there was only some minor scratches on the rear bumper.

Cincy10SSRS 07-20-2012 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SonomaJohn (Post 5316962)
One comment about using the parking brake on a hill. I drive in San Francisco very often and there are some hills there that even us old guys that have been driving sticks for 50 years use the parking brake! :)

I've only had my 2010 SS M6 for about three months now. I hadn't driven a stick in forever. I love this car but am realizing I'm not the best stick driver around and may never be; guess I'm just a defective human being.
The thought of having to drive a manual in SF is terrifying. Was there on vaca with my wife a few years ago and can't imagine dealing with some of those steep inclines on a regular basis. :yikes:

cbass 07-20-2012 12:19 PM

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Interesting....in the Camaro pressing on the accelerator does not release the hill assist
Are you sure? I would think that once the accelerator is pressed that it would deactivate?

simoneves 07-20-2012 12:20 PM

OK, any more '13 M6 owners want to speak up on this?

My current drive (2009 BMW 128i) has Hill Assist and it works seamlessly... as soon as the clutch bites, the brakes release... no need to use any more gas than you'd expect for such a hill, compared with just using the handbrake.

Given that the handbrake in a Camaro is stupidly on the passenger side of the tunnel and therefore hardly optimised for smooth hill-starts, these concerns... concern me!

1LEE 07-20-2012 12:30 PM

I think it is a neat feature to have....

I've been driving stick for years, and don't need it, but it will be nice for those steep hills w/ the asshole riding your ass at the red light.

cbass 07-20-2012 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 1LEE (Post 5319057)
I think it is a neat feature to have....

I've been driving stick for years, and don't need it, but it will be nice for those steep hills w/ the asshole riding your ass at the red light.

I thought so too, but I don't believe it should still hold the brake once you are moving.

Obzen 07-20-2012 12:37 PM

It'd be a nice feature for sure. However these cars have so much power that if you slowly let the clutch engage it won't roll backward, nor will it stall. It'll very slowly start to creep forward and you just give it gas.

However, this feature would be great if it works for reverse. For whatever reason, my clutch hates it when I back up a steep hill. If you feather it at all you're rewarded with a great burning clutch smell.


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