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FDNY-L107 10-06-2012 02:13 PM

ZL-1 Really a Z-28? - Theory
 
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Hi Folks,

Let me throw something out.....last evening I was installing my new set of ZL-1 rocker panels that I had just purchased this week on my 2011 Camaro LS. As I was performing the installation, I took note of the part information stamped on the back of each rocker panel. Please note the attached picture I took. Notice anything yet?

Yes, you are reading this correctly. The part number clearly calls out this is in fact a "Z-28 Rocker Panel".

This may of been reported before, but following GM for some 40 years now and having worked in the corporate sector for some top 50 companies for the last 25 years plus, I understand how large corporations work.....so my theory began.

Given the recent news and speculation over GM's (renewing) trademarking the "Z-28" option code, this is begining to really line up.

My theory (and just that, I have no proof), is simple. The ZL-1 was in fact originally slated to be the new Z-28 model. Anyone that knows manufacturing and production understands that part names and numbers are established early before any production runs are actually executed. Further proof might be to examine additional ZL-1 specific parts and determine if in fact, the Z-28 code is stamped.

Assuming this was the case, several things could of happened prior to GM giving the final green light to name the car Z-28.

First, since GM fell behind in the Z-28 trademark registration and in fact GM did not hold rights to the Z-28 trademark, releasing the car under this model name would likely allow the after market industry not to have licensing or trademark restrictions - ie. GM looses a lot of money.
Second, some long term stragety change could of occured late, positioning the ZL-1 in the upper sector of the model line-up in which the Z-28 would be positioned (or marketed), either below or above the SS. But then why the Z-28 stamped parts specific to the ZL-1? One could conclude, but not likely, that some ZL-1 parts would be reused on the soon to be released Z-28. I find that hard to believe.

Finally, regardless if you believe this or not, the fact remains, GM has or had the Z-28 model on the boards at some point. And in fact, it would likely to have been on the boards very close to actual production or parts would not be released with the Z-28 stamped name on them.

Hopefully this stirs up some thoughts and further commments - I know we will find out how it all played out at some point in time.

:chevy:

1st Gen Forever 10-06-2012 02:58 PM

Well, The original ZL-1 was made to go fast straight and the original Z/28 was made to go fast around curves.

What does our current ZL1 do well?

:iono:

thespymaster 10-06-2012 03:00 PM

According to FBODFATHER................"WHAT Z-28" :bellyroll:

I wrote it before, get the most expensive Camaro out first "ZL1" , wait till the demand starts to diminish and hit the hold-outs waiting for "Z28" what they want.........

DangerZL1 10-06-2012 03:06 PM

Thanks for sharing this pic. I agree that it shows that the Z28 name was being heavily considered before the name was changed to the ZL1 or the engineers or marketing folks decided to alter the direction of the car. I'm going to be surprised to see a Z28 on the gen 5 platform.

midnighter 10-06-2012 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DangerZL1 (Post 5661692)
Thanks for sharing this pic. I agree that it shows that the Z28 name was being heavily considered before the name was changed to the ZL1 or the engineers or marketing folks decided to alter the direction of the car. I'm going to be surprised to see a Z28 on the gen 5 platform.

They were counting their chickens before they hatched when they printed Z-28 on those parts. :)

slick rick 10-06-2012 04:27 PM

Yup, there's a thread about this and another part http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215085

wildpaws 10-06-2012 05:57 PM

Ho hum, really ooooooooollllllddddd news!!:D This has been pointed out about several parts, Chevy originally intended today's ZL1 to be the Z/28, I think the uproar from the Z/28 "purists" (of which I'm one), Z/28 "old geezers" (again, of which I'm one) on many forums that either owned or knew the first gen. Z/28 inside out were lambasting Chevy for wanting to name an over two ton behemoth that had an engine that was not naturally aspirated and calling that a Z/28. Many of us view the Z/28 as a performance vehicle with an awesome heritage (despite some of the later gens. missteps) and a new Z/28 should be that great performance vehicle again. Apparently some of the Chevy execs finally "saw the light" and decided to change the new vehicles name to ZL1 (which had it's own awesome heritage) and reserve the Z/28 nametag for an offering more true to the heritage of the original Z/28. And we still might see something other than a NA engine, but in a more appropriate vehicle, whether it be at the tail end of the fifth gen or in the sizth gen, or both.
Clyde

OldScoolCamaro 10-06-2012 08:39 PM

^...yes, there was some rear suspension part that had a PN on it with Z28 previously mentioned on this site. I believe these works were initially intentioned to be a Z28 until the project was cancelled due to the economic crisis, then revived in the form of the ZL1 upon which time they used.

trademaster 10-06-2012 09:11 PM

Very interesting. I wonder if maybe a potential future z28 would share these components.

OldScoolCamaro 10-06-2012 10:14 PM

Hard to say..., I know they listen to us, but...I feel it's doubtful on a C5 line..., going forward there is the carbon edition ZL1 that still has to make a debut..., and they had a Hotwheels Edition that may make a debut <and I felt that configuration had legs to bring a Z28 to market> but in the end who knows, there is nothing in the wind to support any hope. We shall see once the big shows start up, then we may have some insight. Stay thirsty my friend...:)

Bhobbs 10-06-2012 11:39 PM

It seems likely the ZL1 was supposed to be a Z/28 but was changed.

wildpaws 10-06-2012 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 5662989)
It seems likely the ZL1 was supposed to be a Z/28 but was changed.

That seems to be the consensus of opinion ever since right before the ZL1 introduction announcement.
Clyde

JusticePete 10-07-2012 12:10 AM

Barring the financial issues that enveloped the country and GM with it there would have been a Z/28 earlier in the 5th Gen life cycle. That project was shelved for a while and came back as the ZL1. Is there a Z/28 5th Gen coming... where else would they put the C6 Z06 left over LS7s when the C7 is introduced.

Bhobbs 10-07-2012 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 5663095)
Barring the financial issues that enveloped the country and GM with it there would have been a Z/28 earlier in the 5th Gen life cycle. That project was shelved for a while and came back as the ZL1. Is there a Z/28 5th Gen coming... where else would they put the C6 Z06 left over LS7s when the C7 is introduced.

Sell them off as crate engines. :iono:

Is there even a real chance GM would use the LS7 in a Z/28?

MS3DALE 10-07-2012 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 5663095)
Barring the financial issues that enveloped the country and GM with it there would have been a Z/28 earlier in the 5th Gen life cycle. That project was shelved for a while and came back as the ZL1. Is there a Z/28 5th Gen coming... where else would they put the C6 Z06 left over LS7s when the C7 is introduced.

Thank you Pete,I've been saying this the whole time..."if" they do come out with a Z28 I believe it will have the LS7.
And I'll be the first one in line to order one :thumbsup:

MS3DALE 10-07-2012 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 5663304)

Is there even a real chance GM would use the LS7 in a Z/28?

YES! :D

ZL-Bee 10-07-2012 01:12 PM

Well maybe since the Gen 5 camaro is a 2 ton behemoth, maybe GM trademarked the Z28 name for the concept Toyota Echo/Camaro cross 130 model. Lol!

2cnd chance 10-07-2012 01:52 PM

We can be thankful that the leaner and meaner folks at GM are car guys. They get it! When they looked at the now ZL1 they knew it was not a Z28. I hope they continue to get it and offer an LS7 based 1LE and call it a Z28. :headbang:

wildpaws 10-07-2012 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ZL-Bee (Post 5664272)
Well maybe since the Gen 5 camaro is a 2 ton behemoth, maybe GM trademarked the Z28 name for the concept Toyota Echo/Camaro cross 130 model. Lol!

You missed the point, the ZL1 is the over two ton behemoth, not the 5th gen Camaro in general. The rest of the lineup is under 4,000 lbs.
Clyde

htron50 10-08-2012 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 5663095)
Barring the financial issues that enveloped the country and GM with it there would have been a Z/28 earlier in the 5th Gen life cycle. That project was shelved for a while and came back as the ZL1. Is there a Z/28 5th Gen coming... where else would they put the C6 Z06 left over LS7s when the C7 is introduced.

Oh, how accurate can one be? At least 100 for sure! If so, most won't ever see one. Talk about "Gone in Sixty Seconds".....

OldScoolCamaro 10-08-2012 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 5663304)
Sell them off as crate engines. :iono:

Is there even a real chance GM would use the LS7 in a Z/28?

..there is still a possibility of the Z28, the big shows this winter will tell the tale if that will come to fruition... crate motor LS7's are a granted.
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Originally Posted by MS3DALE (Post 5663688)
Thank you Pete,I've been saying this the whole time..."if" they do come out with a Z28 I believe it will have the LS7.
And I'll be the first one in line to order one :thumbsup:

...and we have all been sayin' that as well...:)

Bhobbs 10-09-2012 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro (Post 5670110)
..there is still a possibility of the Z28, the big shows this winter will tell the tale if that will come to fruition... crate motor LS7's are a granted.

...and we have all been sayin' that as well...:)

When's the first show?

LOWDOWN 10-09-2012 12:39 PM

SEMA, Oct. 30th

LA Auto Show, Nov. 30th

NAIAS (Detroit), Jan. 14th 2013

Chicago Auto Show, Feb. 9th 2013

NY Auto Show, Mar. 29th 2013

IF (capitalized, italics'd) there's going to be a Gen-5 Z28 powered by anything, we'll know in the next 6 months...

LOWDOWN 10-09-2012 12:42 PM

...and for my post # 2800, I'll gladly accept an LS7-powered, suitably suspended version in double-BLACK...hold the stripes. If they wanna call it a Z2800, that's fine with me, too... :thumbsup:

After all, it's the CONTENT, not the "name", that's REALLY important.

2cnd chance 10-09-2012 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN (Post 5671978)
...and for my post # 2800, I'll gladly accept an LS7-powered, suitably suspended version in double-BLACK...hold the stripes. If they wanna call it a Z2800, that's fine with me, too... :thumbsup:

After all, it's the CONTENT, not the "name", that's REALLY important.




True! :drinking:

But what else would anyone call it?


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