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Nasty1970 01-03-2013 01:54 PM

home made turbo
 
I searched and I havent seen what Im looking for...any home grown turbo setups out there? Ive seen pretty awesome results in making a home made turbo setup....Im thinking of going this route and wondered if anyone has any pointers. I might go twin turbo depending on costs too!

Lawdog1911 01-03-2013 02:04 PM

Leaf blower, FTW! :thumbup:

PAUL SS 01-03-2013 02:13 PM

30 gallon compressed air tank with 150 psi plumbed to the intake for short blasts.

WheelmanSS 01-03-2013 02:20 PM

wtf is a "home made turbo"?

This isn't chicken soup, it's car parts. They require precise fitting and measurements. Significant engineering and testing.

And there is no such thing as a cheap turbo setup.

Please share with us these "awesome results" you have seen.

I smell a troll thread.

SSMickey 01-03-2013 02:26 PM

Maybe he is talking about doing all the fab work at home versus buying a prefab kit to throw on the car? I can see the cost advantage, but you better be a skilled fabricator.

BrainleSS 01-03-2013 03:01 PM

I think he is doing his own,

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265198

Cmlloveless 01-03-2013 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WheelmanSS (Post 5987142)
And there is no such thing as a cheap turbo setup.

Please share with us these "awesome results" you have seen.

I smell a troll thread.

That depends on what you consider cheap...

Most likely he is referring to doing all the fab work at home and not actually building the turbo himself. Doing your own fab work (if you have the means) would literally save thousands on your kit. A lot of the cost comes from R&D and manpower required to fabricate each kit. So if you remove that then you are just paying for the cost of the parts. You could probably come pretty close to cutting the price of a kit in half if you can fabricate it on your own.

naSSty1 01-03-2013 03:39 PM

Rednecks do it all the time with turbos they pull off old trucks and tractors. Maybe not on new Camaros but the videos are out there. You would be surprised what a man can build with a couple hundred dollars at a junk yard. Ive been to some of those truck pulls where guys are putting some SERIOUS power with parts pulled off of all kinds of crazy stuff. That doesn't mean I recommend it for your daily driver such as a Camaro.

DISCLAIMER:
In no way am I putting down the ingenuity of a man by calling him a redneck. If it offends anyone, please take a sheet from the toilet paper dispenser, write a number on it and wait in line.

Synner 01-03-2013 03:55 PM

Cheap turbo and totally awesome.
http://www.turbominivan.com/
http://www.turbovan.net/van.html
up to 25 psi on stock block, runs mid 12's. Faster than many 40k camaros on here...

Just buy name brand heat exchangers, blow off valves, and turbo. If you're a good welder nothign about it is rocket science.

WheelmanSS 01-04-2013 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmlloveless (Post 5987354)
That depends on what you consider cheap...

Most likely he is referring to doing all the fab work at home and not actually building the turbo himself. Doing your own fab work (if you have the means) would literally save thousands on your kit. A lot of the cost comes from R&D and manpower required to fabricate each kit. So if you remove that then you are just paying for the cost of the parts. You could probably come pretty close to cutting the price of a kit in half if you can fabricate it on your own.

There is going to be just as much cost doing your own R&D manpower to create your own kit. I don't see in any way how you can "literally save thousands". Fabbing your own header? Ducting? Measuring clearances? Buying components?

Unless you are unemployed and free access to a supply of straight piping, CNC tooling, and metal bending equipment, there is no way you will save significant money doing a turbo kit yourself.

In addition, without tested and proven R&D, what's to say your homebrew kit will be reliable and work properly?

Nonsense

LS3 SS 01-04-2013 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WheelmanSS (Post 5987142)
wtf is a "home made turbo"?

This isn't chicken soup, it's car parts. They require precise fitting and measurements. Significant engineering and testing.

And there is no such thing as a cheap turbo setup.

Please share with us these "awesome results" you have seen.

I smell a troll thread.


I laughed so damn hard when I read this in my head. :laughabove:

POS Dakota 01-04-2013 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WheelmanSS (Post 5987142)
wtf is a "home made turbo"?

This isn't chicken soup, it's car parts. They require precise fitting and measurements. Significant engineering and testing.

And there is no such thing as a cheap turbo setup.

Please share with us these "awesome results" you have seen.

I smell a troll thread.

Some can whip up a pretty damned mean chicken soup.
In fact, most of the ones who do are the ones who go the fastest.

xjer22x 01-04-2013 02:56 PM

My kit is 100% custom.

Meaning that I did not buy a pre-made kit and just bolt it on. It was all completely fabricated, fitted, and mounted by my buddy and now sponsor of my car.

I would agree with an earlier post that I probably paid 1/2 to even less than what a pre made kit would cost to purchase, be installed and tuned.

The things you have to consider are...

*the downtime( because we did all the bending, welding, and designing it takes a lot longer)

*Parts
*Labor (which is where most of the cost really comes from)

Things you pay for are convinience for just being able to bolt on with minimal downtime and all the time it took fabricate the kit in the first place. I can tell you that even with a basic design it can take weeks sometimes month to bring it all together to make sure its perfect. So that's where its up to you. I had another mode of transportation so I was able and willing to not drive my car during the frabrication stage. It was hard but saved me a ton of money.

Just my 2cents. I enjoy being involved with the complete building process.


sent from my galaxy s3. that would explain the errors.

Stitch 01-04-2013 03:02 PM

I encourage everything taking place within this thread.

The best thing about a $50 eBay turbo, is that they only cost $50.

...don't worry about your engine, I'm sure it'll be fine.

willhe64 01-04-2013 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WheelmanSS (Post 5990595)
There is going to be just as much cost doing your own R&D manpower to create your own kit. I don't see in any way how you can "literally save thousands". Fabbing your own header? Ducting? Measuring clearances? Buying components?

Unless you are unemployed and free access to a supply of straight piping, CNC tooling, and metal bending equipment, there is no way you will save significant money doing a turbo kit yourself.

In addition, without tested and proven R&D, what's to say your homebrew kit will be reliable and work properly?

Nonsense

Go look at this thread:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265198

And then come back and tell me nonsense.

I've never even heard of a bolt in turbo kit until I joined C5. Seen hundreds at the track all hand fabricated and beautiful (And fast fast fast). And after looking at the quality of some of the pre-built kits (Fitment and welding) I'd still rather do it myself.

GaBoy25 01-04-2013 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willhe64 (Post 5991438)
Go look at this thread:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265198

And then come back and tell me nonsense.

I've never even heard of a bolt in turbo kit until I joined C5. Seen hundreds at the track all hand fabricated and beautiful (And fast fast fast). And after looking at the quality of some of the pre-built kits (Fitment and welding) I'd still rather do it myself.


Yeah most twin setups on our diesels are CUSTOM fabbed. Rednecks got skillz:thumbsup:

willhe64 01-04-2013 03:39 PM

Nothing Redneck about it. It is an art. I see welds like that and I am jealous. My Vega race car has a full tube chassis (and hand made headers) and the welds on it were done by a master. When I get teched at the track they just whistle and pass me.

topsales 01-04-2013 04:02 PM

If you want the added power you just need to man up and buy one

xjer22x 01-04-2013 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WheelmanSS (Post 5990595)
There is going to be just as much cost doing your own R&D manpower to create your own kit. I don't see in any way how you can "literally save thousands". Fabbing your own header? Ducting? Measuring clearances? Buying components?

Unless you are unemployed and free access to a supply of straight piping, CNC tooling, and metal bending equipment, there is no way you will save significant money doing a turbo kit yourself.

In addition, without tested and proven R&D, what's to say your homebrew kit will be reliable and work properly?

Nonsense

Well I am one that believes in proven results, and my kit can be considered a "home made turbo kit" and I have had this kit installed for over 2 years and run mid to low 11's all day long. The only thing that has broken were stock OEM parts.

And my total out of pocket cost was just around $5700- that is going from stock to fully tuned at the race track running 11's. Find me another twin Turbo kit for that same price installed and tuned and I will agree with you.

sent from my galaxy s3. that would explain the errors.

wayner 01-05-2013 06:03 PM

Sure its possible. Knock yourself out



http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...13574305131464

Cmlloveless 01-06-2013 01:47 PM

Quote:

There is going to be just as much cost doing your own R&D manpower to create your own kit. I don't see in any way how you can "literally save thousands". Fabbing your own header? Ducting? Measuring clearances? Buying components?

Unless you are unemployed and free access to a supply of straight piping, CNC tooling, and metal bending equipment, there is no way you will save significant money doing a turbo kit yourself.

In addition, without tested and proven R&D, what's to say your homebrew kit will be reliable and work properly?

Nonsense
How is that even logical? It costs way more to pay someone to do a job than to do it yourself... Like I said "if you have the means" fabbing it yourself is way cheaper! Most cost is from labor, not parts! I'm not saying parts themselves are cheap or free, but in a turbo kit most of the cost is not the parts themselves. Measuring/bending, etc. of pipes costs you absolutly nothing but time if your doing it yourself and you can buy a turbo for anywhere from a few hundred dollars to a few thousand. The piping is only a few hundred more dollars, and an intercooler will range in cost just like a turbo, and then a few other odds and ends for hardware and a BOV/wastegate. So if your smart about it and you do your own labor you could most defenetly have a kit built and installed and tuned ($500-$700) for less than 1/2 of what most of the available kits cost. It all depends on if you are able to do it yourself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjer22x (Post 5992958)
Well I am one that believes in proven results, and my kit can be considered a "home made turbo kit" and I have had this kit installed for over 2 years and run mid to low 11's all day long. The only thing that has broken were stock OEM parts.

And my total out of pocket cost was just around $5700- that is going from stock to fully tuned at the race track running 11's. Find me another twin Turbo kit for that same price installed and tuned and I will agree with you.

sent from my galaxy s3. that would explain the errors.

My point exactly... and this is a twin turbo, so a single turbo would be even slightly less than this.

Kelly@PCMofNC 01-06-2013 02:22 PM

It's a win win situation either way if you ask me.

Pre-made kit - someone's taken the guess work out of it. You get all the parts, brackets, hardware etc, bolt it on, tune it, and bam you're done. Usually ends up costing more but it saves you time.

Homemade kit - more legwork on your end rounding up parts, planning mounting locations, tubing work, etc. However...a lot of times when I am installing other people's kits (anything, doesn't have to be f/i) I think, this would be so much better if _______... So you have more leeway in making it as perfect as you desire.

Whether or not you save on cost doing it yourself just boils down to what you feel your own time/labor is worth. When I do things on my own (not just cars but house stuff, whatever) there is also that sense of pride that I did it with my own two hands, that's worth a lot to people too :thumbsup:

xjer22x 01-06-2013 02:43 PM

Couldn't have said it better myself. Here's a a breakdown of my costs...

Piping- $250
Fittings and flanges- $100
Braded oil lines-$200
Scavenger oil pump-$400
Turbos-$2200
Ls9 MAP sensor- $50
KB BAP-$400
Wastegate-$300
BOV-$250
Injectors-$400
Dyno tune-$500
Misc tools and resources needed(including food and drinks)- $500
Time it took to fabricate and build- $priceless...

End result was 635hp/640tq on most aggressive tune- 565whp/560tq street trim.

Yes I don't have an intercooler so that would have costed about $400 more if I went that route. But decided I liked the stealth look.


:-)

sent from my galaxy s3. that would explain the errors.

Kelly@PCMofNC 01-06-2013 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjer22x (Post 5999785)
Couldn't have said it better myself. Here's a a breakdown of my costs...

Piping- $250
Fittings and flanges- $100
Braded oil lines-$200
Scavenger oil pump-$400
Turbos-$2200
Ls9 MAP sensor- $50
KB BAP-$400
Wastegate-$300
BOV-$250
Injectors-$400
Dyno tune-$500
Misc tools and resources needed(including food and drinks)- $500
Time it took to fabricate and build- $priceless...

End result was 635hp/640tq on most aggressive tune- 565whp/560tq street trim.

Yes I don't have an intercooler so that would have costed about $400 more if I went that route. But decided I liked the stealth look.


:-)

sent from my galaxy s3. that would explain the errors.

Did you make a build thread? I'd love to see pics.

xjer22x 01-06-2013 03:02 PM

I do have one on here, but its a little out dated due to me having my own website so i update it on there more. Here is the link to the one on here, and the one on my website

updated build thread

camaro5 build thread


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