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Ventmaster 01-29-2013 02:22 PM

Gonna IPF her!
 
Took a little drive down to Tempe, AZ and met the guys at IPF in person.

Jesse's just as nice in person, and everyone at the shop is personable and very capable.

What surprised me the most was their 'run of mill' customers- they must be the ultra rich and Saudi shieks!

The facility is full of exotic machinery- Porches (no not 911's, I'm talkin' 959's, 997's, stuff i just recognize as way out of my price range), Ferari's, and we had to move an Audi R8 with twin turbo's off the dyno (a very nice Mustang all wheel drive that produced smooth tracings even on my car) to put my Chevy 6 banger on it!

It seems the infamous chip in our LLT's is just what those European manufacturers have been using for some time and IPF's home company is based there, hence their greater understanding of it's coding.

IPF's inhouse guru is Tod and he spent a good deal of time and multiple (7 or 8) dyno runs acquiring needed data. I could see he is very concientious and only does things right.

Now for the good stuff-

Baseline dyno on my car as delivered was 267 peak hp (i know-I know, its a Mustang, but you still hope for more!).

Baseline peak torque was a bit more to my liking, 271 ftlbs.

No dips or slips in either curve that I saw.

The other bit of info I picked up later was that before the S/C IPF tune could be installed, my car had to be returned to stock tune, and I was very surprised to hear that it made 15 hp more than it had been making with my Trifecta tune!

I was not present for these runs and have not seen the graphs- so I don't know if there were any other adverse effects on the power delivery, or if my torque reading took a hit, etc...

Jesse has promised to make these available to me and of course tomorrow we'll be doing the post S/C install dyno runs.

Graphs and hard data to follow...:thumbsup:

BaylorCamaro 01-29-2013 02:30 PM

Very cool!

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KMPrenger 01-29-2013 02:40 PM

Wow....now this is very cool. Congrats.

A couple things:

1) A little low on that initial HP reading, but hey we are used to it by now lol. TQ is definitely high but again no biggie.

2) It made more power after the Trifecta tune was removed? Now that one just really gets me. Don't take that the wrong way...I'd just love to see more details about this. Curiousity kills the cat as they say lol.

Are you sure it was on the stock tune, or with the IPF tune? If it was stock tune, are they going to dyno it with the IPF tune as well before installing your kit? I really think they should if they haven't considered it and you may want to ask them about that. I'd love to see these graphs for all the runs!

Can't wait to see more.

lscamaro 01-29-2013 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMPrenger (Post 6097992)
Wow....now this is very cool. Congrats.

A couple things:

1) A little low on that initial HP reading, but hey we are used to it by now lol. TQ is definitely high but again no biggie.

2) It made more power after the Trifecta tune was removed? Now that one just really gets me. Don't take that the wrong way...I'd just love to see more details about this. Curiousity kills the cat as they say lol.

Are you sure it was on the stock tune, or with the IPF tune? If it was stock tune, are they going to dyno it with the IPF tune as well before installing your kit? I really think they should if they haven't considered it and you may want to ask them about that. I'd love to see these graphs for all the runs!

Can't wait to see more.

I've actually been told by a few reliable members that this might be the case. I'm actually looking to test this at the track. Only thing I've been trying to confirm is if the car needs some adjustment time between the tune and no tune.

lscamaro 01-29-2013 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventmaster (Post 6097926)
Took a little drive down to Tempe, AZ and met the guys at IPF in person.

Jesse's just as nice in person, and everyone at the shop is personable and very capable.

What surprised me the most was their 'run of mill' customers- they must be the ultra rich and Saudi shieks!

The facility is full of exotic machinery- Porches (no not 911's, I'm talkin' 959's, 997's, stuff i just recognize as way out of my price range), Ferari's, and we had to move an Audi R8 with twin turbo's off the dyno (a very nice Mustang all wheel drive that produced smooth tracings even on my car) to put my Chevy 6 banger on it!

It seems the infamous chip in our LLT's is just what those European manufacturers have been using for some time and IPF's home company is based there, hence their greater understanding of it's coding.

IPF's inhouse guru is Tod and he spent a good deal of time and multiple (7 or 8) dyno runs acquiring needed data. I could see he is very concientious and only does things right.

Now for the good stuff-

Baseline dyno on my car as delivered was 267 peak hp (i know-I know, its a Mustang, but you still hope for more!).

Baseline peak torque was a bit more to my liking, 271 ftlbs.

No dips or slips in either curve that I saw.

The other bit of info I picked up later was that before the S/C IPF tune could be installed, my car had to be returned to stock tune, and I was very surprised to hear that it made 15 hp more than it had been making with my Trifecta tune!

I was not present for these runs and have not seen the graphs- so I don't know if there were any other adverse effects on the power delivery, or if my torque reading took a hit, etc...

Jesse has promised to make these available to me and of course tomorrow we'll be doing the post S/C install dyno runs.

Graphs and hard data to follow...:thumbsup:

Congrats man!!! You must be extremely excited!

BaylorCamaro 01-29-2013 02:50 PM

I don't see how its going to make more power with the stock tune, unless of course the Trifecta tune you had was very bad. Did they monitor your afr on the pulls?

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GretchenGotGrowl 01-29-2013 03:00 PM

It always takes some time for things to settle in after you change a tune. You need to drive it a bit and let things like the LTFT settle back in. It may be that after 20-30 miles on the stock tune it would have lost some power.

GretchenGotGrowl 01-29-2013 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventmaster (Post 6097926)
Took a little drive down to Tempe, AZ and met the guys at IPF in person.

Jesse's just as nice in person, and everyone at the shop is personable and very capable.

What surprised me the most was their 'run of mill' customers- they must be the ultra rich and Saudi shieks!

The facility is full of exotic machinery- Porches (no not 911's, I'm talkin' 959's, 997's, stuff i just recognize as way out of my price range), Ferari's, and we had to move an Audi R8 with twin turbo's off the dyno (a very nice Mustang all wheel drive that produced smooth tracings even on my car) to put my Chevy 6 banger on it!

It seems the infamous chip in our LLT's is just what those European manufacturers have been using for some time and IPF's home company is based there, hence their greater understanding of it's coding.

IPF's inhouse guru is Tod and he spent a good deal of time and multiple (7 or 8) dyno runs acquiring needed data. I could see he is very concientious and only does things right.

Now for the good stuff-

Baseline dyno on my car as delivered was 267 peak hp (i know-I know, its a Mustang, but you still hope for more!).

Baseline peak torque was a bit more to my liking, 271 ftlbs.

No dips or slips in either curve that I saw.

The other bit of info I picked up later was that before the S/C IPF tune could be installed, my car had to be returned to stock tune, and I was very surprised to hear that it made 15 hp more than it had been making with my Trifecta tune!

I was not present for these runs and have not seen the graphs- so I don't know if there were any other adverse effects on the power delivery, or if my torque reading took a hit, etc...

Jesse has promised to make these available to me and of course tomorrow we'll be doing the post S/C install dyno runs.

Graphs and hard data to follow...:thumbsup:

Congrats man! I'll get you added to the FI List as soon as I can.

Fr3e4gent 01-29-2013 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventmaster (Post 6097926)
Took a little drive down to Tempe, AZ and met the guys at IPF in person.

Jesse's just as nice in person, and everyone at the shop is personable and very capable.

What surprised me the most was their 'run of mill' customers- they must be the ultra rich and Saudi shieks!

The facility is full of exotic machinery- Porches (no not 911's, I'm talkin' 959's, 997's, stuff i just recognize as way out of my price range), Ferari's, and we had to move an Audi R8 with twin turbo's off the dyno (a very nice Mustang all wheel drive that produced smooth tracings even on my car) to put my Chevy 6 banger on it!

It seems the infamous chip in our LLT's is just what those European manufacturers have been using for some time and IPF's home company is based there, hence their greater understanding of it's coding.

IPF's inhouse guru is Tod and he spent a good deal of time and multiple (7 or 8) dyno runs acquiring needed data. I could see he is very concientious and only does things right.

Now for the good stuff-

Baseline dyno on my car as delivered was 267 peak hp (i know-I know, its a Mustang, but you still hope for more!).

Baseline peak torque was a bit more to my liking, 271 ftlbs.

No dips or slips in either curve that I saw.

The other bit of info I picked up later was that before the S/C IPF tune could be installed, my car had to be returned to stock tune, and I was very surprised to hear that it made 15 hp more than it had been making with my Trifecta tune!

I was not present for these runs and have not seen the graphs- so I don't know if there were any other adverse effects on the power delivery, or if my torque reading took a hit, etc...

Jesse has promised to make these available to me and of course tomorrow we'll be doing the post S/C install dyno runs.

Graphs and hard data to follow...:thumbsup:

Congrats, I live in Tempe too. I love seeing the cars that they have coming by the shop every now and then. They had a lambo 2 weeks ago a blacked out CTS-V and some bmw's with roll cages.

Jesse is a really swell guy :bow:

Have you ever gone up to Scottsdale to the Pavillons Car Shows? Off of Indian School next to the McDonalds?

hunterv6 01-29-2013 03:11 PM

Congrats

KalCorp 01-29-2013 03:13 PM

Just redoing the same tune I can feel a difference right after!

It resets the ECU, Its like doing a fuse pull.

But Gratz on the FI

Sikoriko 01-29-2013 05:08 PM

How many data logs did you send into trifeca? If they do exotic cars the little V6 should be no problem? right?

Ventmaster 01-29-2013 06:50 PM

Agree with everyone that immediately after a change an increase can occur that's short lived.

I've data logged 3 times over the years- and full disclosure would be that I don't think I did after adding the ported IM (most recent mod).
However, since none of my other changes ever prompted an update, I didn't feel it necessary to log then.

Wish I had the presence of mind to suggest they throw on the N/A IPF tune while the car was on the dyno- but I basically drove all night to have the car there at 8am and I was DOA in the brain! :bellyroll:

GretchenGotGrowl 01-29-2013 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventmaster (Post 6098893)
Agree with everyone that immediately after a change an increase can occur that's short lived.

I've data logged 3 times over the years- and full disclosure would be that I don't think I did after adding the ported IM (most recent mod).
However, since none of my other changes ever prompted an update, I didn't feel it necessary to log then.

Wish I had the presence of mind to suggest they throw on the N/A IPF tune while the car was on the dyno- but I basically drove all night to have the car there at 8am and I was DOA in the brain! :bellyroll:

That's understandable. Regardless, you will love your new found POWA!

Rhino79 01-29-2013 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl (Post 6098063)
It always takes some time for things to settle in after you change a tune. You need to drive it a bit and let things like the LTFT settle back in. It may be that after 20-30 miles on the stock tune it would have lost some power.

Correct. LTFT's CAN carry over into power enrichment (wot mode). The accuracy of the airflow tables like the maf and vve are very important to make sure you arent carrying over any or as little ltfts as possible.

Think of it like this, you get a dyno tune, afr is perfect. You drive home, ltfts learn and they are say -15%. If you have -15% trims at wot, that means it is taking away 15% of the fuel commanded...yikes.

On my car with a cam that has a lot of overlap and is extremely inefficient at idle and lower speeds, I didnt want false trims jacking my power enrichement up, so I run without them. I use stfts only, and they will not carry over into power enrich. LTFTs are just a learned pattern of what the stfts have done in that fuel trim cell zone over a period of time.

JohnnyBfromPeoria 01-29-2013 08:28 PM

I was there today as well. I saw them take the front bumper off of Ventmaster's car and some of the early steps involved with installing the S/C. I also saw another member's car there, something about a big number 6 on the side (ha ha).

From what Jesse and I talked about at lunch (I bought), my understanding was that they were going to dyno the car as it came in, then again flashed back to stock and then again with the IPF tune. I do not know if that all happened.

Oh yeah, I put three boxes in my car when I left. It appears there's a supercharger, intercooler and associated parts all in there. Install will be taking place at my house this weekend (by me) and Jesse will be coming by to slap in the tune. Ohhh yeah...

There was also a Lotus Esprit V-8 and a Ferrari of some designation or other in the shop when I was there. I'm not worthy!

John B.

lscamaro 01-29-2013 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBfromPeoria (Post 6099416)
I was there today as well. I saw them take the front bumper off of Ventmaster's car and some of the early steps involved with installing the S/C. I also saw another member's car there, something about a big number 6 on the side (ha ha).

From what Jesse and I talked about at lunch (I bought), my understanding was that they were going to dyno the car as it came in, then again flashed back to stock and then again with the IPF tune. I do not know if that all happened.

Oh yeah, I put three boxes in my car when I left. It appears there's a supercharger, intercooler and associated parts all in there. Install will be taking place at my house this weekend (by me) and Jesse will be coming by to slap in the tune. Ohhh yeah...

There was also a Lotus Esprit V-8 and a Ferrari of some designation or other in the shop when I was there. I'm not worthy!

John B.

Congrats to you too!

KMPrenger 01-29-2013 10:21 PM

Thread is full of win and good information.

IPF-Tuning 01-29-2013 10:23 PM

IPF Tuning
 
Vent....of course we had to throw that in just for the heck of it. Thanks for thinking of it! We will frame it for you with all 4 tunes! T, Stock, IPF and IPF SC.

See ya tomorrow!

Jesse!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventmaster (Post 6098893)
Agree with everyone that immediately after a change an increase can occur that's short lived.

I've data logged 3 times over the years- and full disclosure would be that I don't think I did after adding the ported IM (most recent mod).
However, since none of my other changes ever prompted an update, I didn't feel it necessary to log then.

Wish I had the presence of mind to suggest they throw on the N/A IPF tune while the car was on the dyno- but I basically drove all night to have the car there at 8am and I was DOA in the brain! :bellyroll:


IPF-Tuning 01-29-2013 10:35 PM

IPF Tuning
 
Thanks fr3e! You are really swell as well! HAHA!!, I am a poet and didn't know it! But Ventmaster is from Utah and drove all the way in to visit us at IPF! So, as much as we would all love him at the local Pavilions, he's gotta go home. Too bad it was not next weekend.

But JohnnyBfromPeoria is coming next time!

Stay IPF Tuned........

Thanks,

Jesse!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fr3e4gent (Post 6098109)
Congrats, I live in Tempe too. I love seeing the cars that they have coming by the shop every now and then. They had a lambo 2 weeks ago a blacked out CTS-V and some bmw's with roll cages.

Jesse is a really swell guy :bow:

Have you ever gone up to Scottsdale to the Pavillons Car Shows? Off of Indian School next to the McDonalds?


Fr3e4gent 01-30-2013 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBfromPeoria (Post 6099416)
I was there today as well. I saw them take the front bumper off of Ventmaster's car and some of the early steps involved with installing the S/C. I also saw another member's car there, something about a big number 6 on the side (ha ha).

From what Jesse and I talked about at lunch (I bought), my understanding was that they were going to dyno the car as it came in, then again flashed back to stock and then again with the IPF tune. I do not know if that all happened.

Oh yeah, I put three boxes in my car when I left. It appears there's a supercharger, intercooler and associated parts all in there. Install will be taking place at my house this weekend (by me) and Jesse will be coming by to slap in the tune. Ohhh yeah...

There was also a Lotus Esprit V-8 and a Ferrari of some designation or other in the shop when I was there. I'm not worthy!

John B.


The car with the giant 6 on it is SixJacks (sorry spelt name wrong i think )

Ventmaster 01-30-2013 09:37 PM

Well we were all so busy talking cars today the install didn't quite get finished! :D I also got to take a ride in an IPF 785hp Porsche- thanks Ian, sure am glad the brakes work as well as the engine!

I'll be passing the proverbial hat to my C5 brethren to cover my hotel for the extra night (actually, Jesse's picking up the tab!).

I don't mind spending an another evening in friendly Tempe AZ, and in the morning we'll be finishing the dyno runs.

I'll see if Jesse can post those results (probably can do a better job of it), but I look forward to being there to see them firsthand! :popcorn:

And yes, they'll include the Trifecta,stock,IPF N/A, and IPF S/C!

JohnnyBfromPeoria 01-30-2013 10:58 PM

Now this just got really interesting.

John B.

2ssx2 01-30-2013 11:04 PM

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lscamaro 01-30-2013 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBfromPeoria (Post 6104202)
Now this just got really interesting.

John B.

:word: couldn't agree with you more... Gonna sit back and enjoy the :popcorn:


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