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EB&D 03-28-2013 03:52 PM

LS7 1LE
 
Why couldn't GM just give us all what we REALLY WANTED?
The 1LE is already an extremely capable track car, couldn't the LS7 be dropped in there and made available to us for around 50?

No need going to great lenghts to make the Z-28 a "track" car. No one was thinking ceramic brakes until yesterday because no one was asking for them.

Bad@ssCamaro 03-28-2013 04:14 PM

It's not like the old days I believe like in the 60's when you can choose what engine you want in you're car. For them to come out with the car now with that motor and all those enhancements was for a purpose - to establish dominance in that niche and to set the tone. Ford now has a tall order to come up with something that will match the Z/28.

For them to just put in the 427 in an SS with the available 1LE option was not the direction they wanted to go. And it's not just the Ceramic brakes, it's the other 200 changes they made to make it the Z/28.

Bhobbs 03-28-2013 05:39 PM

Because GM didn't think that was enough to honor the Z/28 badge.

ShnOmac 03-28-2013 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EB&D (Post 6350139)
Why couldn't GM just give us all what we REALLY WANTED?

GM gave the hardcore Z/28 guys EXACTLY what they wanted.

Wizard1183 03-28-2013 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ShnOmac (Post 6350622)
GM gave the hardcore Z/28 guys EXACTLY what they wanted.

At the price the hard core couldn't touch?:sm0:

ShnOmac 03-28-2013 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizard1183 (Post 6350643)
At the price the hard core couldn't touch?:sm0:

:noidea:

I'm not sure what you are getting it. Those that wan't it WILL get it.....

Wizard1183 03-28-2013 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ShnOmac (Post 6350660)
:noidea:

I'm not sure what you are getting it. Those that wan't it WILL get it.....

Really? I seriously doubt everyone that wanted a stripped a down LS7 camaro will be getting one. I for one wanted it. I won't be getting it. Not at the price they're probably asking. Ill look for used in a few yrs if they don't limit the number like assholes so only cork sniffers buy them.

NinoSS 03-28-2013 06:03 PM

I believe th OP is suggesting that most (myself included) would have jumped at the chance to have a LS7 in a fifth gen. An LS7 in 1LE trim with sticky tires would pull similar skid pad numbers and would likely perform very similar to the Z28 for under 50 grand. Any hard core track junkie might just want to swap out brakes, seats, wheels, etc to take it to the level that they would like.

All said I didn't need a Z28, but would have not thought twice about ordering a 1LE LS7... Period...

1LEMayhem 03-28-2013 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ShnOmac (Post 6350622)
GM gave the hardcore Z/28 guys EXACTLY what they wanted.

No way a $70,000 Z28 is not what anyone wanted.

GearheadSS 03-28-2013 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizard1183 (Post 6350643)
At the price the hard core couldn't touch?:sm0:

Just because YOU can't afford it doesn't mean that EVERYONE can't afford it. GM will sell every Z28 they can make. Like has been said before, your logic is great for people that only want the Z28 badge and not a car that's the most track capable car GM has ever offered to the public.

The amount of crying you have been doing over this car is insane.

sonic656 03-28-2013 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccinator (Post 6350747)
No way a $70,000 Z28 is not what anyone wanted.

Exactly. That's the only gripe I have about it. Its an amazing car but its in a class by its self. Its more Corvette then Camaro I personally think.

mechanic1 03-28-2013 06:15 PM

I think Gm did the right thing , making this car a serious balls out performance vehicle............I personally would swap this over my zl1..........the zl1 is not raunchy enough for me........I like road noise and HARDCOREPERFORMANCE only....zl1 is a bit of a cadillac like performance car .......

Number 3 03-28-2013 07:07 PM

Here is how I look at your question.

An LS7 in a 1LE would maybe be equal to a ZL1...........maybe. The 1LE is 150 pounds lighter (supercharger) and would be 80 HP down from the LSA. How does that car run with a ZL1? What you would have is just another version of the same performance. And simply putting the LS7 in the 1LE would give you a $50,000 car. So it would be the "lesser" of the two cars.

To give the Z28 a reason to be, beyond simply a badge, GM had go above the ZL1 in track performance. And to do that you get the LS7, the best brakes GM knows how to do and enough weight reduction to make up for the 80 hp.

Now in a straight line, a ZL1 might actually run faster than a Z28. We'll have to wait and see. To give the Z28 it's "reason for being" it needs to be lighter so it can turn in the corners better, accelerate out harder. That's the 300 pounds. And no one should assume that that was simply throwing parts out (like we've discussed over the past few years) It took real, honest to goodness engineering and testing and validation and I can assure that is NOT free or cheap. And to give it another advantage you add the best brakes known to passenger cardom. Combined with the LS7 you now have a NA engine with low mass and chassis and brakes to get this car to nearly Z06 levels.

I'll be very curious to see the tests.

Also keep in mind that since the ZL1 already beats the dead Boss and GT500 around the track, there is no real competition for the Z28. It stands alone as what it is, and how it goes about it.

I know everyone would have loved an LS7 in the 1LE. We had a thread on that well over a year ago. It just wouldn't have justified the car or the nameplate relative to the ZL1.

v8 03-28-2013 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EB&D (Post 6350139)
Why couldn't GM just give us all what we REALLY WANTED?
The 1LE is already an extremely capable track car, couldn't the LS7 be dropped in there and made available to us for around 50?

No need going to great lenghts to make the Z-28 a "track" car. No one was thinking ceramic brakes until yesterday because no one was asking for them.


I think the reason they didn't make an LS7 with the 1LE is because they would not be able to keep up with demand (the LS7 is hand built) Also that would diminish the LS7's value as there would be too many out there. Could be wrong but just my two cents.

LOWDOWN 03-28-2013 07:40 PM

All great points BUT no pricing available yet. So those who want one should be getting on their dealers' lists...NOW.

Maybe we should think of this as a street-legal COPO...and we know what happened, initially, to those prices...don't we?

BTW, I'm "on the list"...

Mr Twisty 03-28-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ShnOmac (Post 6350622)
GM gave the hardcore Z/28 guys EXACTLY what they wanted.

And more! I never would have guessed those brakes, but cool add!!!

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http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/part_images/178023971.jpg

Build your own poor boys Z/28 for the cost of a 1LE plus $20,000. for the LS7 :yikes:

Quote:

List Price: $18,415.71
Price: $13,974.00
You Save: $4,441.71 (24%)
(add that $4,441 back on for misc. )



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DESCRIPTION: LS7 Crate Engine
GENERAL INFORMATION:
LS7 crate engine (P/N 19244098)

includes:

intake manifold with injectors

fuel rails
throttle body
dry sump oil pan
exhaust manifolds
flywheel & clutch
harmonic dampener
water pump and pulley
coil packs
spark plugs and wires
engine sensors

LS7 crate engine does not include:
injector wiring harness
dry sump oil lines
dry sump tank
engine beauty cover
engine processor
air filter/air box
accessories or accessory drive

Wizard1183 03-28-2013 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GearheadSS (Post 6350766)
Just because YOU can't afford it doesn't mean that EVERYONE can't afford it. GM will sell every Z28 they can make. Like has been said before, your logic is great for people that only want the Z28 badge and not a car that's the most track capable car GM has ever offered to the public.

The amount of crying you have been doing over this car is insane.

Piss off. I can afford it rather easily. Question is will I pay 60+k for an auto? Answer no. Auto is not an investment. When I'm older ill be able to buy 3 or 4 of these things even at collectors pricing. I have my priorities straight. And that's to make money now spend it later. ;)

LOWDOWN 03-28-2013 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizard1183 (Post 6351376)
I have my priorities straight. And that's to make money now spend it later. ;)

...and that's EXACTLY what we the ZEE-lievers have already done... :thumb:

Wizard1183 03-28-2013 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN (Post 6351389)
...and that's EXACTLY what we the ZEE-lievers have already done... :thumb:

Old fart! lmfao Jk. Enjoy it man. It's def a great car.

90503 03-28-2013 08:28 PM

I always thought they could drop any optional engine into whatever model and still, each model would be unique...But inter-changeable engine options are just not the way they efficiently build cars these days...The model dictates the engine, and that's the only option...
...Nothing says you can't do it yourself whenever you want...

HuJass 03-28-2013 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ShnOmac (Post 6350622)
GM gave the hardcore Z/28 guys EXACTLY what they wanted.

Too bad most of them won't be able to afford it.

HuJass 03-28-2013 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShnOmac (Post 6350660)
:noidea:

I'm not sure what you are getting it. Those that wan't it WILL get it.....

It's not a question of wanting it. It's a function of affording it.
Just because somebody wants something doesn't mean they have the means to attain it.

FINALLYSATISFIED 03-28-2013 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro (Post 6350220)
It's not like the old days I believe like in the 60's when you can choose what engine you want in you're car. For them to come out with the car now with that motor and all those enhancements was for a purpose - to establish dominance in that niche and to set the tone. Ford now has a tall order to come up with something that will match the Z/28.

For them to just put in the 427 in an SS with the available 1LE option was not the direction they wanted to go. And it's not just the Ceramic brakes, it's the other 200 changes they made to make it the Z/28.

I don't think Ford has to do anything. They have so many versions out there, it's ridiculous. Then they have a long history just as long as Chevrolet. We are the ones playing catch up. We just got a Supercharged model with a factory mind you. GM doesn't offer any packages to increase the HP unlike Ford. GM is headed in the right direction so I'll continue to stay along for the ride...

LOWDOWN 03-28-2013 09:33 PM

Speaking of Ford...and their Spring '14 release...does anyone figure they're burnin' the midnite oil figgerin' out what to do to match the "Heavy Chevy"?

cbass 03-28-2013 09:41 PM

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Build your own poor boys Z/28 for the cost of a 1LE plus $20,000. for the LS7
You don't have to jump to a LS7 right away. Put a nice cam in the LS3 and the power output should be close to a stock LS7. If something goes wrong and you blow up the LS3, then you can spent the money for a LS7.


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