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FINALLYSATISFIED 03-29-2013 09:41 AM

What is the difference between a Z28 and a Z/28?
 
I wasn't a fan of the Camaro until the 5th Gen so my knowledge of the history of Camaro needs some attention. Can someone educate me on the difference between the 2? Or are they one of the same.

I've seen the 2 name plates being used, with some members saying they are different. Any truth out there?

SUX2BU 03-29-2013 09:43 AM

One has a slash.

nUcLeArEnVoY 03-29-2013 09:45 AM

That's a big difference. :laughabove:

5thGenOwner 03-29-2013 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SUX2BU (Post 6353484)
One has a slash.

A Slash...

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Goo 03-29-2013 09:48 AM

One is made by Chevy... the other is by Chevrolet.

motorhead 03-29-2013 09:48 AM

The one with the / was the option code before they started calling it Z28. Z28 is when they decided to milk the success of the option code and start using z28 as a model instead of just an option code

Flashpoint135 03-29-2013 09:49 AM

Same thing, some people just don't bother typing the slash. Anyone who tells you different is jerking you around.

motorhead 03-29-2013 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Flashpoint135 (Post 6353512)
Same thing, some people just don't bother typing the slash. Anyone who tells you different is jerking you around.

Not true at all

NYJets77 03-29-2013 09:51 AM

Z28 implies Z times 28
Z/28 is Z divided by 28

camaro_RS 03-29-2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by NYJets77 (Post 6353519)
Z28 implies Z times 28
Z/28 is Z divided by 28

:laughabove:

Inferno Orange 2SS-RS 03-29-2013 10:11 AM

I have studied this very carefully and I think the major difference between Z28 and Z/28 is the "/".

FINALLYSATISFIED 03-29-2013 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by motorhead (Post 6353508)
The one with the / was the option code before they started calling it Z28. Z28 is when they decided to milk the success of the option code and start using z28 as a model instead of just an option code

Thanks, Motörhead.

To everyone else funny, lol. Everyone else got jokes. The "/" huh? Lol.

Bomino 03-29-2013 10:39 AM

I think when scott pointed out that they used the slash was to relate this Z to the early Z's when they were more meant for track or racing. in the 3rd and 4th gens they started to slap Z28 on everything for marketing purposes rather than keeping them true to their heritage. kinda like how the M division in BMW seems to be putting their hollowed M on everything that bmw puts out.

The 2014 is a Z with the slash to be related directly to the original purpose of a Z/28

Rocky1974 03-29-2013 10:59 AM

In 1967,Z28 started out as just another Regular Production Option(RPO) code. I was just the next one in line after Z27(Super Sport). But they rushed it out in such a hurry that they never bothered giving it a name like all the other RPOs, so everybody just referred to it as the Z28 and it stuck. By midyear 1968 sales were picking up and the cars still didn't have a name or any identifying emblems, so they decided to go ahead and make Z28 the official name. I guess whoever worked up the emblems thought they looked better with a slash. By 1970 the slash was gone. Looks like it's back again. So the short answer to your question is: The slash means nothing.

Mr. iNCREDIBLE 03-29-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rocky1974 (Post 6353828)
In 1967,Z28 started out as just another Regular Production Option(RPO) code. I was just the next one in line after Z27(Super Sport). But they rushed it out in such a hurry that they never bothered giving it a name like all the other RPOs, so everybody just referred to it as the Z28 and it stuck. By midyear 1968 sales were picking up and the cars still didn't have a name or any identifying emblems, so they decided to go ahead and make Z28 the official name. I guess whoever worked up the emblems thought they looked better with a slash. By 1970 the slash was gone. Looks like it's back again. So the short answer to your question is: The slash means nothing.



http://www.holisticpage.com/camaro/camaros/z28.htm


GM has done this several times since as well.. The Silverado Z-71, the z71 is simply an option code for off-road suspension and appearance components, Then there was the Avalanche Z-66 which was a 2WD Avalanche with the Z-71 off-road appearance components (different fascia, roof rack, side moldings, etc).

Then the z66 was replaces with the Z-71 "appearance package" a 2WD truck with the outward appearance of the 4WD real Z-71..


IMO it is basically because someone @ GM (most likely a bean counter somewhere) has ZERO imagination for naming conventions. We had a similar issue @ my company.

We make professional BBQ Grills and backyard kitchens.. Our Controller was put in charge of naming conventions for 7 years, so he named them to make them easy to track inventory.. L-36NG = Lynx 36" Natural Gas; or L-36LP = Lynx 36" Liquefied petroleum (propane).. etc.

Our new CEO that started 5 months ago has this thing for "branding" so starting with our 2013 models they all now have idiotic names to deciper the model.

bumblebeecamaro 03-29-2013 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 5thGenOwner (Post 6353493)

lol - too funny! :laughabove:

PalmerGA 03-29-2013 04:05 PM

The difference between the two is... about 11 years (I believe).

PhoenixZL1 03-29-2013 04:48 PM

Nothing, it's all in a matter of how people type it and how GM likes make the logo for certain model years. Z/28 with the slash in it is the most common logo used by GM except on 3 & 4th gen cars, even though a lot of 4th gen owners convert to 1969 style Z/28 logo's which looks 100 times better than GM's Black plastic of those 1993-2002 days.

skipinminn 03-29-2013 05:50 PM

friday IS always SMART ASS'S DAY======== LOL

Rocky1974 04-02-2013 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. iNCREDIBLE (Post 6353829)
http://www.holisticpage.com/camaro/camaros/z28.htm


GM has done this several times since as well.. The Silverado Z-71, the z71 is simply an option code for off-road suspension and appearance components, Then there was the Avalanche Z-66 which was a 2WD Avalanche with the Z-71 off-road appearance components (different fascia, roof rack, side moldings, etc).

Then the z66 was replaces with the Z-71 "appearance package" a 2WD truck with the outward appearance of the 4WD real Z-71..


IMO it is basically because someone @ GM (most likely a bean counter somewhere) has ZERO imagination for naming conventions.

Yeah, I know. I have a Z71 Silverado and I assumed that all Z71's were 4-wheel drives. Just recently, I found out that they make 2-wheel drive Z71's, and I thought WTF??!! A 2-wheel drive Z71??!! Seems like a oxymoron to me. That must have got approved the first thing on a Monday morning by a manager with a hangover.

90503 04-02-2013 10:00 AM

The slash, no slash difference is the most significant feature and the cause for all the controversy....The slashed Z/28s were the first built in '67 to the racing specs needed for Chevy to compete at the track...

...They watered it down in subsequent years with the Z28 cars which was a "rip-off" of the original Z/28s purpose...

...The 2014 Z/28 went to great lengths to guarantee that mistake will never be made again...

CrystalRedTintcoat 04-02-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Flashpoint135 (Post 6353512)
Same thing, some people just don't bother typing the slash. Anyone who tells you different is jerking you around.

Incorrect. See post by fbodfather who works on the camaro team. Chevy is now saying they are different. There were z/28's and z28's. one is of the race heritage. The other is a daily driver. Both were orderable by the same RPO, "z28". It's a marketing issue: Product, Promotion, Positioning.


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RickRay 04-02-2013 03:39 PM

From Scott(fbodfather)
1. Now – on to the Z/28……..

I’ve said many times: “Wanna get a good fight going? Ask Camaro enthusiasts which is the ‘top’ Camaro – Z28 or SS………..”

-- and then put on a crash helmet and watch the fur fly……..

Everyone has their opinion and 90 percent have an opinion that THEY are correct in their beliefs and that those with a different opinion are completely wrong and perhaps motivated by the Devil himself……………….

The new Z/28 has blown some people away and we’re getting emails and letters and phone calls saying “THANK YOU! You FINALLY understand what a Z/28 really is after all these years of ruining the nameplate!.....”

It also has some people saying:

“You RUINED it! I can’t get *insert favorite option here* and so you are a bunch of…..*insert foul words here*….”

Or—

“ ……what do you MEAN it’s not a drag car???......”

Or---

“…..this car should come in at 40K!...” (even though we’ve not discussed price as of yet—and frankly, 40K is as attainable as me being elected as President of the United States……….)

(and for those who think the Z/28 should be 40K – take a 1LE and start counting the costs of all the awesomeness we’ve added to the Camaro in order to make it a true Z/28 – and then take into consideration the costs for engineering and validating – and then consider we have to ensure we don’t lose money on the program….)



Let’s take a walk down memory lane, shall we?

The ONLY reason for the original Z/28…

(note I once again used ‘Z/28’ and not ‘Z28)

….. was to go road racing. SCCA Trans Am racing had a rule that no competing car in the series could have an engine displacement larger than 305 cubic inches.

Our Camaro SS-396 was FAST…..but it wasn’t really a ‘track’ car. So the purpose of the Z/28 was to compete in Trans Am Racing – meaning it had to stick to the road like Velcro. Tidbit: None of the 602 1967 model year Camaros with option code Z28 had a nameplate that said Z/28 on them. It really wasn’t meant to be a main-stream entry.

As we moved into the 2nd gen years, the SCCA engine rule went by the wayside…….. And with increasingly stringent fuel and emissions standards, performance was on the wane……at a startling rate. Fast-rising insurance rates certainly didn’t help things…… And by the early 70s, there really wasn’t room for both a Camaro SS and a Z/28 as we knew them. By 1974, performance was so diminished that the Z/28 was dropped at the end of the model year because it had become to many of us a ‘caricature’ of what it once had been. The SS had been taken from the line up at the end of 1972…….

When the Z28 came back in 1977 (note the difference in the name…..there was no “/”….) it was definitely a road hugger – and it DID offer more performance than any other From then on – whether right or wrong, the Z28 was the ‘performance’ Camaro….until the IROC came along. The Z28 was then relegated to ‘2nd fiddle’ and that didn’t set well with Z/28 purists. But – on the other hand, the Camaro was the “International Race Of Champions” chosen brand – and one could go down to their Chevy Dealer and buy a new Camaro – an IROC Camaro – that sure looked a lot like the real race car.

…….And then Chevy pulled out of IROC racing -- and the Z28 was once again the ‘ultimate’ Camaro…that is, unless you ordered one with 1LE.

Fast forward once again to the advent of the 4th gen. We offered a Camaro Sport Coupe with a V6 engine – or a V-8 Camaro Z28 with an LT1 small-block with a ‘blistering’ 275 horsepower.
(to some of you young-uns – that was a LOT of horsepower in 1993….)

Yes – the Z28 was the ‘ultimate’ Camaro back then………and then Ed Hamburger at SLP Engineering came to us and said something along the lines of: “….Chevy -You’ve done a magnificent job with the Z28 – but I’ve got plans to take it to the next level…”

and we said “Sure!” …and the Camaro SS roared back to life. That also put the Z28 as ‘second-in-line’ and again, Camaro Z/28 purists were not happy! I very much remember getting several phone calls, letters, and emails that weren’t –shall we say – ‘charitable’ in their content…..

It all became moot when the Camaro went onto Hiatus in the late summer of 2002……..and I continued to say to you, our Camaro Enthuiasts – to “keep the faith…” - -that GM understood the importance of the Camaro nameplate. Yes, there were a few people within the corporation that proposed moving the name to the J-car platform.

(Blasephemy!)

(….they were last seen being shoved into a fleet of black suburbans – never to be seen again…….)

As John Heinricy said in a meeting that I attended: “The ugliest sight I can imagine would be tire smoke coming from the FRONT tires of a Camaro!..”)

As I’d said before, as Custodians of the Brand, it was crucial that we ensure that the 5th gen Camaro build upon it’s rich 35 year heritage. And yet, as I mentioned earlier in this article, we were questioned at every step of the way. And that’s not a bad thing, I suppose.

We felt so strongly about the heritage of Camaro and ensuring that the new Camaro would “check all the boxes” that were important to Camaro Enthusiasts - that we drafted the 15 members of the Camaro Enthusiast Advisory Board (better known as ‘The 12 Disciples of which there are 15’)

So—after all that: The 5th gen Camaro hit the streets and blew people away…..it’s still #1 in the segment – so I think the team did a pretty good job, don’t you agree?

At the same time, we’d been working on a Camaro that took performance way past our SS. It had been in the product plan for some time – but with the Housing Melt-down of the mid to late 2000s – and the resultant Bankruptcy of GM (and Chrysler and many vendors) the “HP” Camaro was put on ice. That the “HP” car was put back into the program was a miracle in and of itself. Interestingly, it was internally called the “HP” and kept top secret….. but the intended name was to be Z28. Talk about controversy. There were emails, letters, threats, banging-on-desks – and perhaps some thinly veiled threats made……and it was finally decided that the original Z/28 had a naturally aspirated V8 engine. The “HP” Camaro was to have a supercharged engine…….so perhaps the Z/28 moniker wasn’t really appropriate. Our President, Mr. Mark Reuss – himself a Camaro Enthusiast since the time he was able to recognize a Camaro – made the final call…..the “HP” would be christened “ZL1.” What you DON’T know is that he had another plan in mind for the Z/28.
(Note the “/”…..)

Volumes will be written about the 2014 Z/28 – but what’s important to understand is that while we made “Z28” enthusiasts happy over the years with 275hp – and then 285hp – and then an LS1 based Z28………we continually disappointed the “Z/28” purist.

The 2014 is dedicated to the “Z/28” purist. This is a track car that makes no excuses. That this car is a full three seconds faster on a track than the mighty ZL1 speaks volumes to its intent. Make no mistake – this isn’t a slap at the mightly ZL1. Far from it. If you want a car that blows other cars off a road course on Saturday and Sunday – and yet will get you to the office in comfort on Monday morning – the ZL1 is the car for you. If you want blistering track performance at a reasonable cost – the 1LE is prescribed. And – if you want to shame exotics on a road course – with an automobile that’s not meant for daily driving, then the Z/28 makes no apologies and may grab you by the collar – shake you silly -- and shout “LET’S GO MAKE HISTORY!”

So—that’s been a lot of words.

And that’s my take on why we’ve done what we’ve done.

GoldenBear 04-02-2013 03:59 PM

The Z/28 nomenclature is generally associated with first generation Z/28's.

The 1967 Z/28's did not have any exterior identification other than the optional wide racing stripes. The Z/28 emblem was used on 1968 Z/28's (some 1968 Z/28's used the 302 emblem) and 1969 Z/28's.

The Z28 (no slash) emblem was used starting with the 1970 model year, and the Z/28 emblem with the slash was not used again until the 2014 model.


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