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ALLTRBO 04-03-2013 10:38 AM

"But it's stripped down!"
 
Just how stripped down is the 2014 Z/28? Let's break it down.
It has (or most likely will- if not confirmed), in no particular order...


-power steering (variable assist electric)
-power brakes
-power mirrors
-ABS
-power windows (express up/down)
-power locks
-power trunk
-keyless entry w/panic alarm
-tilt steering
-telescoping steering
-cruise control
-4 seats
-6 airbags
-2 cupholders
-12V power outlet
-stability/traction control (if you're silly enough to keep them on in this car)
-radio with CD/MP3 player, AM/FM, XM, auto-volume, 6-page preset menu, 3-band EQ, 10-minute on-after-key-off feature, anti-theft, and one decent speaker
-steering wheel mounted controls
-configurable lock/unlock and horn/light settings
-automatic headlights
-2 trip odometers
-compass
-exterior temp gauge
-average mileage/speed displays
-message center
-delayed courtesy light
-heater/defroster
-rear defroster
-air conditioning (if you want it)
-cabin air filter
-huge trunk (albeit with a comically small opening)
-glove box (lockable)
-door panel storage
-center arm rest/storage
-console front storage tray
-alarm
-auto-dimming rear view mirror
-variable intermittent wipers
-windshield washer
-OnStar with lock-out protection, turn-by-turn, theft tracking, and emergency response
-a full GM warranty
-and a partridge in a pear tree

There may or may not be a couple things I forgot.


Some of you sissies need to quit whining, this thing does everything but wash the dishes for you. ;)
Just my not-quite-humble opinion.


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TBone 04-03-2013 10:52 AM

:clap2:

T.

LeanPocket 04-03-2013 10:56 AM

I think we all assumed that as fact.

I think the issue is this,
its a $60,000 super base camaro.. :/

woodside783 04-03-2013 11:35 AM

I wish they would just releas the price all ready

IOMZL1 04-03-2013 11:41 AM

The past week has made me realize how society has ruined the automobile. Few consider the parts that actually make the car perform as features. Fully loaded means navigation, heated and cooled seats, quadruple climate control, 24 way power memory seats, and now a vacuumÖ. basically bloated mobile homes on wheels. Every year the manufacturers must come out with more options to make people feel like they are getting a good perceived value and one step ahead of the Joneses.

Understandably people have a hard time hearing ďthe most expensive Camaro has no A/C no speakers no carpetĒ. These arenít the things people have been lead to believe are important. Just like the most expensive Camaro isnít the one with the most horsepower or the one that is fastest in the quarter mile. So nobody understands why it is so expensive because if it isnít horsepower or a seat massager what is it?

Maybe the Z/28 and other cars like it will start shifting the expectations and open up a new world for those willing to listen. This is a purpose built car. It is not meant for the masses. I am in a way shocked GM is building it but also very impressed at the same time.

For those crying for these creature comfort options, put the shoe on the other foot for a minute and realize why some donít want to lug those around the track lap after lap. Now maybe you will understand? Weight kills performance. Some people donít care about a radio when they are driving a car like this, they are purists in that regard.

Bomino 04-03-2013 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeanPocket (Post 6376219)
I think we all assumed that as fact.

I think the issue is this,
its a $60,000 super base camaro.. :/

Super base? :twitch:

Last I checked the super base camaro's didn't have a 7L v8 with dry sump, tri y headers, carbon ceramic brakes, recaro seats, 19" forged wheels wrapped in 60TW 305's, etc..

Camper 04-03-2013 11:53 AM

I dont think it will be 60k due to it being a bse model. Id bet this will compete with the Boss 302 market

OldScoolCamaro 04-03-2013 12:06 PM

In order to sell as many cars as possible, manufacturers avoid purpose built auto's. They serve the needs of a few, not many. Ala carte cars dissapeared decades ago. Accessories and packages are now bundled together into only a few choices/trim levels. Chevy has broke new ground, actually that's a misnomer. They are revisiting history, and bringing a stripper back. Purpose built, like the true COPO car, or factory racers.. as in the glory days. It's kind of cool to think about. It's a modern one off in my mind...like the ZL1,....oh yes you did!!! Chevy did it again...awesome Chevy!

Zfatuated 04-03-2013 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IOMZL1 (Post 6376443)
The past week has made me realize how society has ruined the automobile. Few consider the parts that actually make the car perform as features. Fully loaded means navigation, heated and cooled seats, quadruple climate control, 24 way power memory seats, and now a vacuumÖ. basically bloated mobile homes on wheels. Every year the manufacturers must come out with more options to make people feel like they are getting a good perceived value and one step ahead of the Joneses.

Understandably people have a hard time hearing ďthe most expensive Camaro has no A/C no speakers no carpetĒ. These arenít the things people have been lead to believe are important. Just like the most expensive Camaro isnít the one with the most horsepower or the one that is fastest in the quarter mile. So nobody understands why it is so expensive because if it isnít horsepower or a seat massager what is it?

Maybe the Z/28 and other cars like it will start shifting the expectations and open up a new world for those willing to listen. This is a purpose built car. It is not meant for the masses. I am in a way shocked GM is building it but also very impressed at the same time.

For those crying for these creature comfort options, put the shoe on the other foot for a minute and realize why some donít want to lug those around the track lap after lap. Now maybe you will understand? Weight kills performance. Some people donít care about a radio when they are driving a car like this, they are purists in that regard.

Bravo...

:hail:

Bhobbs 04-03-2013 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeanPocket (Post 6376219)
I think we all assumed that as fact.

I think the issue is this,
its a $60,000 super base camaro.. :/

Super base?
Name a base car that comes with a hand-built, dry sump, 7.0 liter V8 with race engine components, factory CAI, tri y headers, Recaro seats standard, carbon ceramic brakes standard, dual mode exhaust standard, unique forged aluminum alloy wheels standard, street legal race slicks standard, DSSV dampers standard and the list goes on.


You can't see the forest through the trees. You complain a track monster won't warm your butt and tell you where you're going. You must complain that the Vette only has two seats. Why should such an expensive car only have two seats when a Honda Civic has 4 and costs way less.



This car is obviously not for you.

The IOM Ninja 04-03-2013 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camper (Post 6376498)
I dont think it will be 60k due to it being a bse model. Id bet this will compete with the Boss 302 market

The LS7 is also around twice the price of the LS3 so I expect the price to be up there...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bomino (Post 6376450)
Super base? :twitch:

Last I checked the super base camaro's didn't have a 7L v8 with dry sump, tri y headers, carbon ceramic brakes, recaro seats, 19" forged wheels wrapped in 60TW 305's, etc..

Super Base huh...

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/20...eh-d5tprp5.gif

Yeah I'm bored....

SNK 04-03-2013 01:08 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Awesome!! :thumbsup::clap:

LeanPocket 04-03-2013 01:47 PM

super base as in,

bare essentials.. no heated seats.. radio.. 1 speaker.. stripped amenities

LeanPocket 04-03-2013 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 6376720)
Super base?
Name a base car that comes with a hand-built, dry sump, 7.0 liter V8 with race engine components, factory CAI, tri y headers, Recaro seats standard, carbon ceramic brakes standard, dual mode exhaust standard, unique forged aluminum alloy wheels standard, street legal race slicks standard, DSSV dampers standard and the list goes on.


You can't see the forest through the trees. You complain a track monster won't warm your butt and tell you where you're going. You must complain that the Vette only has two seats. Why should such an expensive car only have two seats when a Honda Civic has 4 and costs way less.



This car is obviously not for you.

yes it is not for me

Richy_Rich 04-03-2013 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeanPocket (Post 6376219)
I think we all assumed that as fact.

I think the issue is this,
its a $60,000 super base camaro.. :/

right,

for $60K, we need this as standard:
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5048/5...dc354742_z.jpg

Bhobbs 04-03-2013 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richy_Rich (Post 6377264)
right,

for $60K, we need this as standard:
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5048/5...dc354742_z.jpg

The LSX is cast iron and weighs too much. I'm happy with the LS7.

LeanPocket 04-03-2013 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 6377372)
The LSX is cast iron and weighs too much. I'm happy with the LS7.

its a 454 tho.. :brokenheart:

2010SS2SS 04-03-2013 05:21 PM

Still produced for a niche market...They will either be bought by those that realize they are "track monsters" and want them for racing "purposes" or those with more money then sense and can spend $55-$60 on a car to drive a few days a month...

Richy_Rich 04-03-2013 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 6377372)
The LSX is cast iron and weighs too much. I'm happy with the LS7.

Me too, just stirring the pot :thumb:

Mr. Wyndham 04-03-2013 05:27 PM

I like this thread. :)

Someone (local) commented to me when I started going on about this car..."But why the hell are they charging more for less?"....I couldn't do much else but :doh:...because I had just detailed every race-derived addition/change to the car that I was aware of.

Bhobbs 04-03-2013 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeanPocket (Post 6377697)
its a 454 tho.. :brokenheart:

You can do LS based 454 engines.

Number 3 04-03-2013 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham (Post 6377900)
I like this thread. :)

Someone (local) commented to me when I started going on about this car..."But why the hell are they charging more for less?"....I couldn't do much else but :doh:...because I had just detailed every race-derived addition/change to the car that I was aware of.

The because they can, my friend, because they can.

ThaCamaroKid 04-03-2013 06:11 PM

I think it comes down to what track they are saying its 3 seconds faster than the ZL1 on, because in both cases of it being ( examples ) 3 seconds faster than VIR or Laguna Seca that is pretty much Ferrari 458 territory :S Though I agree 60k for a base Camaro is a little steep, 60k in comparison to a car that cost 250k isnt that much.... Just my 2 cents :thumb:

And if anybody reply's and says "but its a Ferrari" I will hit you with a 2x4 through the computer, you get my point.

Bhobbs 04-03-2013 06:28 PM

For the 2013 Lightning Lap at VIR, the ZL1 ran a 2:57.5, the LFA ran a 2:55.1 and the 458 Italia ran a 2:49.9. Based on those times, the Z/28 should be running with some expensive company. The 2014 Lightning Lap should be interesting...

brt3 04-03-2013 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham (Post 6377900)
I like this thread. :)

Someone (local) commented to me when I started going on about this car..."But why the hell are they charging more for less?"....I couldn't do much else but :doh:...because I had just detailed every race-derived addition/change to the car that I was aware of.

Comments like that kill me. They are, in fact, charging more for more. Sounds like the local doesn't know his CCBs from a hole in the ground...


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