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Tran 04-17-2013 02:22 PM

2013 Chevy Camaro 1LE Performance Test (Edmunds)
 
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via: http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/t...rack-test.html

The 2013 Chevy Camaro 1LE was born from complaints from only 2 percent of Camaro drivers. These drivers, Chevy said, were as concerned with the way the Camaro handled a racetrack as they were with it looking like a Transformer. With its 6.2-liter, 426-horsepower V8, the current Chevy Camaro SS has motor for days. Doesn't it make sense to offer a handling pack to put it to use? And besides, Ford offers a track pack on the Mustang.

To get the performance it wanted out of the 1LE, Chevy gave it new gearing via a Tremec TR6060-MM6 six-speed manual with liquid-to-air cooling, a 3.91 final drive, thicker stabilizer bars, monotube rear dampers, a strut tower brace, ZL1 wheel bearings and a ZL1 fuel pump. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Chevy wrapped the 20-by-10-inch front and rear wheels in super-sticky 285/35ZR20 Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar G:2 tires.

Chevy says this setup should be good for 1.0g of lateral acceleration and a "sub-3-minute lap at Virginia International Raceway's Grand Course." We didn't have access to VIR, but we do have a skid pad, a quarter-mile and a slalom. How did Chevy's track-focused Camaro do when pushed to the limit?

Vehicle: 2013 Chevy Camaro 1LE
Odometer: 1,601
Date: 4/2/2013
Driver: Chris Walton
Price: $37,035 (base)

Specifications:
Drive Type: Front engine, rear-wheel drive
Transmission Type: Six-speed manual
Engine Type: Naturally aspirated, port-injected V8, gasoline
Displacement (cc/cu-in): 6,162/376
Redline (rpm): 6,250
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 426 @ 5,900
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 420 @ 4,600
Brake Type (front): 14-inch ventilated discs with four-piston fixed calipers
Brake Type (rear): 14.4-inch ventilated discs with four-piston fixed calipers
Suspension Type (front): Independent MacPherson struts with dual lower ball joints, coil springs, twin-tube dampers, stabilizer bar
Suspension Type (rear): Independent multilink, coil springs, monotube dampers, stabilizer bar
Tire Size (front): 285/35ZR20 (100Y)
Tire Size (rear): 285/35ZR20 (100Y)
Tire Brand: Goodyear
Tire Model: Eagle F1 Supercar G:2
Tire Type: Summer performance
As Tested Curb Weight (lb): 3,880

Test Results:

Acceleration
0-30 (sec): 2.1 (2.1 w/ TC on)
0-45 (sec): 3.2 (3.3 w/ TC on)
0-60 (sec): 4.8 (5.0 w/ TC on)
0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 4.6 (4.8 w/ TC on)
0-75 (sec): 6.8 (7.0 w/ TC on)
1/4-Mile (sec @ mph): 13.0 @ 108.7 (13.2 @ 108.0 w/ TC on)

Braking
30-0 (ft): 26
60-0 (ft): 108

Handling
Slalom (mph): 71.1 w/ TC on (70.8 w/ TC in dynamic)
Skid Pad Lateral Acceleration (g): 0.97 w/ TC on (0.96 w/ TC in dynamic)
Db @ Idle: 50.4
Db @ Full Throttle: 82.6
Db @ 70-mph Cruise: 73.9
RPM @ 70: 1,750


Comments:

Acceleration: The launch control is easy to access, but it would be better described as an "anti-embarrassment" button. It essentially lets the car leave the line without stalling or spinning the tires. It doesn't provide the optimal launch and even pulls throttle down well into the upper part of 1st gear. A reasonably skillful driver will beat it every time with the traction control disabled. The clutch pedal is light-ish, swings without varying effort, but engages near the top of travel. Transmission lever both up/downshifts with some effort, but also with solid assurance you're in the gear you've selected. No crunchy synchros or problems at all and no apparent heat-soak issues, as trap speed stayed steady or even increased from first to last runs. Sounds fantastic.

Braking: Near zero dive, no wiggle, straight as an arrow with ultra-mild distance creep after a handful of runs. Second stop was shortest of five total that only grew by a couple feet.

Handling:

Slalom: As frustrating as Camaros are to slalom purely because of the dreadful visibility they offer, this one is extremely capable as long as you can avoid mowing cones. The tires (and ESC "Competitive mode") both allow a large envelope in which to play. Super-mild understeer on the limit can be mitigated with momentary lift-throttle or, as I discovered on one blazing fast (and utterly anomalous) pass with ESC fully on, by the stability system. I couldn't re-create it, but it was quicker than I was with it in Comp mode (essentially off). Quick turn-in, rear stays planted unless prodded, and easy to controllably slide at the exit.

Skid pad: Again, super mild understeer on the limit, plenty of grip all around, but only a modest amount of info coming through the steering wheel and again, limited visibility.



WHAMMO 04-17-2013 02:32 PM

Doesnt say much except that they ran same 0-60/&1/4 times as a stock SS with better gearing and tires. They couldnt get 1G too. Quick test and boring article. Seems like the driver wasnt up to par. Randy Pobst FTW LOL

racerx1214 04-17-2013 03:43 PM

Do the writers they have know anything about cars? Terrible review.

Dropspeed 04-17-2013 05:29 PM

The review was fine. Just stated the facts with out hype or BS.

JimE 04-17-2013 07:16 PM

Sounds decent to me. I don't know exactly what you guys were hoping or wanting to hear. The performance of these cars is pretty well known now.

jgalewsk 04-17-2013 10:34 PM

Definitely not 20x10s on the rear. Why are there so many reviews out there that say this?! They can't pick up a GM brochure or even google it?

MotorCity 04-17-2013 11:45 PM

Motor Trend's extensive youtube review on the 1LE hit 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. 4.8 seconds from Edmunds just makes it look much slower... The drivers in the Motor Trend review were far better! aka Randy Pobst

Michael2000 04-18-2013 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MotorCity (Post 6437231)
Motor Trend's extensive youtube review on the 1LE hit 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. 4.8 seconds from Edmunds just makes it look much slower... The drivers in the Motor Trend review were far better! aka Randy Pobst

Not too surprising. Randy Pobst can set record lap times, AND carry on a narration at the same time. He's the only guy I trust for the straight scoop.

Michael

Palutz59 04-18-2013 01:04 AM

That article is high school level ... Test observe and record. No comparison to the base SS or ZL1 or any other competitor for that matter. I wish I could have a job like that and get away with a poorly written article that did nothing for the reader. Maybe I'm picky but give me tables, charts, and conclusions based on tests not just some numbers without context.

tramtwo 04-18-2013 03:15 AM

Db @ Full Throttle: 82.6 :thumb:

mlee 04-18-2013 03:47 AM

The 1LE's certainly dominated our AutoX event in San Antonion last weekend.

PYROLYSIS 04-18-2013 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WHAMMO (Post 6434941)
Doesnt say much except that they ran same 0-60/&1/4 times as a stock SS with better gearing and tires. They couldnt get 1G too. Quick test and boring article. Seems like the driver wasnt up to par. Randy Pobst FTW LOL

(What happened to the word smiley?)
They left the nannys on. Why bother testing the vehicle if you're not capable of driving it near to it's full potential?

Mikamaro 04-18-2013 08:57 AM

Finally Chevy provided a fix for those criticism they had about the 2010-12 Camaro SS. Good Job GM, it's a worthy track car now.

Mikamaro 04-18-2013 09:01 AM

Hey, have you notice the Car they tested doesn't have the Front Spliter!
Perhaps that explains some discrepancy in the test results.

ThaCamaroKid 04-18-2013 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikamaro (Post 6438047)
Hey, have you notice the Car they tested doesn't have the Front Spliter!
Perhaps that explains some discrepancy in the test results.

That is a bit strange but that doesn't explain the slow 0-60 and a 13 1/4, that is just driver error, good catch though. :thumbup:

Mikamaro 04-18-2013 09:33 AM

These are the Results to compare it to the original Track test done by Edmunds on the 2010 Model year
http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/cam...est-specs.html

2010 Chevrolet Camaro Coupe
(6.2L V8 6-speed Manual)


Track Test Results
0-45 mph (sec.) 3.4
0-60 mph (sec.) 5.1
75 mph (sec.) 6.8
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.1 @ 109.4
0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 4.7
Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 27
60-0 mph (ft.) 111
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 65.8
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.86
Sound level @ idle (dB) 47.6
@ Full throttle (dB) 81.8
@ 70 mph cruise (dB) 70.0

Acceleration comments
This car favors a boggy launch with minimal wheelspin. Shifter is very good, but clutch uptake is right on the floor. Gear spacing must've been planned to reach the quarter-mile at the very very top of 3rd gear. Strong motor with no dead spots all the way to redline.

Braking rating: Very Good

Braking comments

First stop was best, but subsequent ones were still very good, showing no signs of fade. Pedal effort is moderate to firm. Little dive and no squirm.

Handling rating: Good

Handling comments
Slalom: Huge yaw delay as the car was reluctant to turn in. As a result, I'd either arrive "late" at each cone or I had to force myself to turn earlier than I'd like to. This car was neutral to a fault, meaning it neither understeered nor oversteered, giving me few tools to make it go through faster. Skid pad: Extremely balanced. I could steer it with the throttle alone. Steering feels natural and loads predictably.

Legendary Umbra 04-18-2013 12:19 PM

Negative Review...
 
I have to say its a negative review or close to neutral...perhaps they should get better drivers to punish the 1LE before they just give an opinion after one driver's averages are put up for statistics. I love how these reviews on Ford, Chevy, and Dodge never really have a credible base line to start and then never take several different drivers. I would say its a novice driver in the performance car, but I for one would like to know someone who is capable of pounding the pavement put it through the ringer and come up with some averages then. I would be willing to bet we would have a better article than the 'ho-hum-yawn' that we typically get from some of these magazines.:doh:

Dropspeed 04-18-2013 03:37 PM

This is Edmunds. I didn't expect any more or less from them and I don't race magazine articles.

I didn't buy (or) order the 1LE because I care what the people that read Edmunds think of me or my car. I know what it can do and what it will do for me!

Matt

Mikamaro 04-18-2013 04:28 PM

For me these are the 2 most important statements that I've hear about the Camaro SS.

The first one made me think about upgrading the suspension and dynamics of the car with the 1LE track pack and the second one confirmed that I made the right choice waiting 3 years to do it GM Performance Parts.

Quote: Randy Posbt from The 2009 Car&Driver best Driver’s car Laguna Seca Hot lap.
" Understeer! frustrating understeer. When I got done with my hot laps, I didn't want to drive it anymore. There is hope, potential is what I see here. I just think they've been too conservative at Chevrolet with the handling setup. "

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...#ixzz2QqozMJVB

Quote: Randy Posbt from 2013 Ignition Episode: 2013 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE: Best Handling Camaro Ever!
"The Camaro is definitely at home on the race track. Minimal body roll, well controlled for what is essentially a street car. It behave very well as a race car. I’d race this Camaro right now; Frankly. This is the best balanced Camaro yet! "
Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/2013-chevr...on-310955.html

Iron Lung Jimmy 04-18-2013 04:36 PM

Lots of complaining going on about the "negative review"... but those results basically reflect about all the vast majority of owners will be able to achieve.

You want Randy Pobst to put up some handling numbers? Why? You will never be able to duplicate them.

Maybe we could get Evan Smith (if he would actually drive a Camaro) to put up some hero 1/4 mile times that NOBODY will be able to match. They'll look great on paper, though.

I don't know who that test driver is, but he is probably better than most of us. I think those numbers are a pretty accurate representation of what 90% of owners can expect out of the car.

FINALLYSATISFIED 04-18-2013 06:24 PM

The 2013 Chevy Camaro 1LE was born from complaints from only 2 percent of Camaro drivers...

I wonder how they got that info?

PYROLYSIS 04-18-2013 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy (Post 6439698)
Lots of complaining going on about the "negative review"... but those results basically reflect about all the vast majority of owners will be able to achieve.

You want Randy Pobst to put up some handling numbers? Why? You will never be able to duplicate them.

Maybe we could get Evan Smith (if he would actually drive a Camaro) to put up some hero 1/4 mile times that NOBODY will be able to match. They'll look great on paper, though.

I don't know who that test driver is, but he is probably better than most of us. I think those numbers are a pretty accurate representation of what 90% of owners can expect out of the car.

Understandable but they should at least be able to find a driver that can outdrive the traction control and stabilitrak. They most likely tried it with the nannys off and couldn't get better numbers.

RLHMARINES 04-18-2013 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS (Post 6440308)
Understandable but they should at least be able to find a driver that can outdrive the traction control and stabilitrak. They most likely tried it with the nannys off and couldn't get better numbers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy (Post 6439698)
Lots of complaining going on about the "negative review"... but those results basically reflect about all the vast majority of owners will be able to achieve.

You want Randy Pobst to put up some handling numbers? Why? You will never be able to duplicate them.

Maybe we could get Evan Smith (if he would actually drive a Camaro) to put up some hero 1/4 mile times that NOBODY will be able to match. They'll look great on paper, though.

I don't know who that test driver is, but he is probably better than most of us. I think those numbers are a pretty accurate representation of what 90% of owners can expect out of the car.

This quarter mile test was not done on a semi prepped drag strip but on the front straightaway at Roebling Roads road course on a cool day for a little comparison to other runs that we know to be better in the 1LE. But we also must take into consideration that this car might be a little tight from not be broken in yet along with tires that perform much better on warmer days.

Motorweek has in the past put up some impressive numbers for their test Camaro's especially SLP tuner cars but they used the drag strip in Maryland for all of their numbers gathering tests when weather permitted and Roebling Roads near Savannah, Ga for road course work.

JimE 04-18-2013 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS (Post 6440308)
Understandable but they should at least be able to find a driver that can outdrive the traction control and stabilitrak. They most likely tried it with the nannys off and couldn't get better numbers.

The times posted are faster with TC off (as noted in the article). Or am I missing something?

OverZeaLouS 04-19-2013 07:22 AM

Going to Edmunds.com for performance car reviews is like going to church for a strip tease. You just don't do it.:der:


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