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kostnkost 04-27-2013 05:31 AM

Wax over a Quick Sealant
 
Is it ok to wax over a sealant? I just sealed my car thursday afternoon, and as soon as I was finished my AG package arrived with my Blackfire Midnight Sun. I guess a re wash is in order considering the pollen here is falling fast and furious, but I wanted to see if there is any benefit to applying this wax over the Quick sealant I just applied.

Maxspeed 04-27-2013 06:39 AM

yes

CamaroDreams07 04-27-2013 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxspeed (Post 6475480)
yes

+1

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kostnkost 04-28-2013 06:58 AM

Thanks guys! Still a rookie in training, so I appreciate the feedback:thumb:

babaron 04-28-2013 05:47 PM

Just make sure you wait at least 30 min before layering anything over it.

Z4me 04-28-2013 07:42 PM

yes read the cure time on the sealant before applying the wax. Just was at a detailing clinic today and that was one of the topics of show and discussion.

Hercules 04-30-2013 06:17 PM

I thought that i read on one of the other threads that the sealant has to cure for 12-24 hrs before waxing.

Maxspeed 04-30-2013 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hercules (Post 6489119)
I thought that i read on one of the other threads that the sealant has to cure for 12-24 hrs before waxing.

correct

CamaroDreams07 04-30-2013 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hercules (Post 6489119)
I thought that i read on one of the other threads that the sealant has to cure for 12-24 hrs before waxing.

Most sealants. Adams claims theirs cures in 30 minutes

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Nick@Adams 05-01-2013 11:05 AM

If the Quick Sealant you are referring to is our, then yes, 30 minutes is all the cure time it needs.

Our Machine Sealant needs to cure for 12-24 hours, but the aerosol Quick Sealant doesn't need nearly that long to cure. That's one of it's greatest benefits...that you can layer a glaze/wax over it in the same day instead of waiting overnight.

Hercules 05-01-2013 11:17 AM

Thanks for the information. It's greatly apptreciated . :thanks:

Maxspeed 05-01-2013 11:38 AM

In the vid is shows Dylan using the Machine Sealant and Flex and then he states 30 minutes?

Scroll to 1:20
http://www.adamspolishes.com/t-Detai...g_Glazing.aspx

CamaroDreams07 05-01-2013 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxspeed (Post 6492054)
In the vid is shows Dylan using the Machine Sealant and Flex and then he states 30 minutes?

Scroll to 1:20
http://www.adamspolishes.com/t-Detai...g_Glazing.aspx

Ok guys-

There seems to be a big misunderstanding over the difference between hazing and curing on here lately.

You want to let it haze on the paint for 30 minutes. Then you wipe it off.

THEN you let it CURE for 12-24 hours before you apply anything over top.

StephenS_84 05-01-2013 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick@Adams (Post 6491908)
If the Quick Sealant you are referring to is our, then yes, 30 minutes is all the cure time it needs.

Our Machine Sealant needs to cure for 12-24 hours, but the aerosol Quick Sealant doesn't need nearly that long to cure. That's one of it's greatest benefits...that you can layer a glaze/wax over it in the same day instead of waiting overnight.


Might want to double check that cure time for the machine sealant. I've seen on the AF that it only needs 30 mins to cure.

CamaroDreams07 05-01-2013 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by StephenS_84 (Post 6492077)
Might want to double check that cure time for the machine sealant. I've seen on the AF that it only needs 30 mins to cure.

Please see above...:facepalm:

StephenS_84 05-01-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CamaroDreams07 (Post 6492075)
Ok guys-

There seems to be a big misunderstanding over the difference between hazing and curing on here lately.

You want to let it haze on the paint for 30 minutes. Then you wipe it off.

THEN you let it CURE for 12-24 hours before you apply anything over top.

Ahhh this makes sense.

CamaroDreams07 05-01-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by StephenS_84 (Post 6492081)
Ahhh this makes sense.

:thumb::headbang:

Now we're cooking with gas

StephenS_84 05-01-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CamaroDreams07 (Post 6492078)
Please see above...:facepalm:

We posted at the same time. :sorry:

CamaroDreams07 05-01-2013 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by StephenS_84 (Post 6492084)
We posted at the same time. :sorry:

Jinx!

Maxspeed 05-01-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CamaroDreams07 (Post 6492075)
Ok guys-

There seems to be a big misunderstanding over the difference between hazing and curing on here lately.

You want to let it haze on the paint for 30 minutes. Then you wipe it off.

THEN you let it CURE for 12-24 hours before you apply anything over top.

Good point but at 1:33 he says "we did pretty much 30 minutes, it's a little cold today so we wanted to make sure that it's fully CURED"

Not trying to be augmentative, I will be doing mine Fri and want to make sure I have it right.

CamaroDreams07 05-01-2013 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxspeed (Post 6492097)
Good point but at 1:33 he says "we did pretty much 30 minutes, it's a little cold today so we wanted to make sure that it's fully CURED"

Not trying to be augmentative, I will be doing mine Fri and want to make sure I have it right.

He misspoke, and I'm sure he'd be the first to admit that as a mistake. This is why detailing terminology is so frustrating, ESPECIALLY in the internet age where everything you say is permanently recorded. One slip of the tongue and you've confused 10,000+ people. Hell, Sal Zaino built an empire off of selling misbranded products, Turtle Wax does the same, NuFinish, the list goes on and on.

But if you're doing it this weekend, this is what you want to do:

Polish
Apply sealant
Let it haze up for approximately 20-30 minutes, depending on ambient temp and humidity
Buff off
Let it set overnight
If you see any hazing or streaks the next morning, go over it again with detail spray and a microfiber towel (this sometimes happens as it cures)
You're now free to apply another coat, wax, etc.
But ALWAYS wait 12-24 hours after applying a coat of sealant before you apply anything else.

Sealant---->Sealant; Wait 12 hours
Sealant---->Wax; Wait 12 hours
Wax------->Wax; Go for it

So, given the hassle of waiting so much, what I normally do is apply my sealant. Then I'll drive the car until my next wash. Then apply another coat of sealant. Drive it til the next wash, then apply my wax. This way I'm not messing around waiting idly, and I'm always sure I'm applying my next coat to perfectly clean paint.

Maxspeed 05-01-2013 01:07 PM

Thanks. I was originally planning on geting as far as sealent on Fri, then glaze and wax sat or sun. I will stick with plan A.

POWERMAN 05-01-2013 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick@Adams (Post 6491908)
Our Machine Sealant needs to cure for 12-24 hours, but the aerosol Quick Sealant doesn't need nearly that long to cure. That's one of it's greatest benefits...that you can layer a glaze/wax over it in the same day instead of waiting overnight.

I know CamaroDreams07 has mentioned this earlier as well, but why would one want to apply a glaze AFTER a sealant?

Wouldn't the logical thing to do be to lock in the glaze with a sealant on top of it instead?

ihaveacamaro 05-01-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by POWERMAN (Post 6492676)
I know CamaroDreams07 has mentioned this earlier as well, but why would one want to apply a glaze AFTER a sealant?

Wouldn't the logical thing to do be to lock in the glaze with a sealant on top of it instead?

You should follow the manufacturer's directions.

Most call for glaze before sealant, whereas Adam's calls for glaze after sealant.

Nick@Adams 05-01-2013 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by POWERMAN (Post 6492676)
I know CamaroDreams07 has mentioned this earlier as well, but why would one want to apply a glaze AFTER a sealant?

Wouldn't the logical thing to do be to lock in the glaze with a sealant on top of it instead?

Synthetic sealants are engineered for longevity in mind, first and foremost. To get the most life out of them, they need to "bond" to your paint...which is where the cure time being discussed in here comes into play. The curing process is when the sealant does it's bonding.

If you layer a sealant over a glaze for instance (which only lasts weeks rather than months) then the sealant will begin to degrade at the same rate the glaze does, which is relatively quickly in comparison.

Our recommendation is:

  • Seal to create a long-lasting barrier to build upon.
  • Glaze to add depth and gloss to your finish.
  • Wax to amplify the depth and gloss of the glaze, as well as lock everything in. Think of the wax as your final barrier between the environment and your paint.


Simple enough, right?


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