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Snakedriver 04-27-2013 06:28 PM

No Magnetic Suspension In The 14 Z/28?
 
The Z/28 doesn't have the magnetic suspension. It's made for the track so it will ride rough on the street.

oldfriend 04-27-2013 06:55 PM

That's a car for hard asses to drive I guess !

Bad@ssCamaro 04-27-2013 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakedriver (Post 6477092)
The Z/28 doesn't have the magnetic suspension. It's made for the track so it will ride rough on the street.

Glad you got that cleared up. :rolleyes: :lol:

Wizard1183 04-27-2013 07:40 PM

Can't be any worse than an old muscle car with stiff suspension or a 69's Z/28.

Number 3 04-27-2013 08:24 PM

If you want a Camaro that rides great on the street..............................Z/28 is not yo car. Other choices though.

MR adds mass and complexity to a car that has one simple purpose for being. And riding well on the street simply isn't it.

The Stig 04-27-2013 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 3 (Post 6477488)
If you want a Camaro that rides great on the street..............................Z/28 is not yo car. Other choices though.

MR adds mass and complexity to a car that has one simple purpose for being. And riding well on the street simply isn't it.

Mag Ride suspension also makes the car ineligible for some track classes. Could be why they didn't include it.

Number 3 04-27-2013 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Stig (Post 6477507)
Mag Ride suspension also makes the car ineligible for some track classes. Could be why they didn't include it.

Didn't know that. I'll bet you are correct.

Bad@ssCamaro 04-27-2013 08:56 PM

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Here's some info about the Z/28 in case you missed it. ;)

2cnd chance 04-27-2013 09:49 PM

I love reading the word "over" over and over again before 500/500 HP/TQ! :biggrin:

Bad@ssCamaro 04-27-2013 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance (Post 6477784)
I love reading the word "over" over and over again before 500/500 HP/TQ! :biggrin:

:thumbup:

MikeSVX 04-27-2013 10:35 PM

I'm guessing the Magnetic Suspension would add weight to the car.

Bad@ssCamaro 04-27-2013 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeSVX (Post 6477904)
I'm guessing the Magnetic Suspension would add weight to the car.

Not allowed in sanctioned races.

Synner 04-28-2013 02:12 AM

Anyone who will be using the car to its potential will know how to adjust the 4 way adjustable suspension to ride however they want it and it will be superior to the mag ride for its intended purpose.

The Stig 04-28-2013 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro (Post 6477909)
Not allowed in sanctioned races.

Is it only certain races its not allowed or is it by class?

Unreal 04-28-2013 10:05 PM

I think the over 500ft/lbs is a typo. LS7s make ~440 torque. No way they got 60+tq out of it.

mlee 04-28-2013 10:10 PM

It does have adjustable dampers...:thumbsup:

Bhobbs 04-28-2013 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Unreal (Post 6481273)
I think the over 500ft/lbs is a typo. LS7s make ~440 torque. No way they got 60+tq out of it.

That's the 2nd time I have seen it so I guess we will have to wait until they release the final numbers.

Bad@ssCamaro 04-28-2013 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Stig (Post 6478423)
Is it only certain races its not allowed or is it by class?

That's for SCCA classes except for this:

9.3.2. ACTIVE SUSPENSIONS AND TRACTION CONTROL SYSTEMS Active suspensions and traction control systems, as installed by the automobile manufacturer and unmodified, are allowed only in Touring.
9.3.44. SUSPENSION AND STEERING Suspension and steering shall be of suitable design and in good working order. Four wheel steering is prohibited. Unless specifically permitted, non-metallic suspension control arms, locating links, toe/steering links and pushrods are prohibited.

9.1.1. FORMULA CATEGORY CLASSES Formula Atlantic (FA) Formula 1000 (FB) Formula Continental (FC) Formula Enterprises (FE) Formula Vee (FV) Formula F (FF) Formula 500 (F5) Formula Mazda (FM) Formula S (FS) Regional Class Formula First (FST) Regional Class Formula 600 (F6) Regional Class 9.1.1 continues in the Formula Category Rules.

9.1.2. GRAND TOURING CATEGORY CLASSES GT-1 (GT1) GT-2 (GT2) GT-3 (GT3) GT-Lite (GTL) 9.1.2 continues in the GT Category Rules.
9.1.3. IMPROVED TOURING CATEGORY CLASSES (REGIONAL CLASSES) R (ITR) S (ITS) A (ITA) B (ITB) C (ITC) 9.1.3 continues in the Improved Touring Category Rules.
9.1.4. SUPER TOURING CATEGORY CLASSES STU (STU) STL (STL) 9.1.4 continues in the Super Touring Category Rules.
9.1.5. PRODUCTION CATEGORY CLASSES E Production (EP) F Production (FP) H Production (HP) 9.1.5 continues in the Production Category Rules. 9.1.6. SEDAN CATEGORY American Sedan (AS)
9.1.6 continues in the American Sedan Category Rules.
9.1.7. SPEC MIATA CLASS Spec Miata (SM) 9.1.7 continues in the Spec Miata Class Rules.
9.1.8. SPORTS RACING CATEGORY CLASSES A Sports Racing (ASR) Regional Class C Sports Racing (CSR) D Sports Racing (DSR) Sports 2000 (S2) Spec Racer Ford (SRF)
9.1.8 continues in the Sports Racing Category Rules.
9.1.9. TOURING CATEGORY CLASSES: Touring 1 (T1) Touring 2 (T2) Touring 3 (T3) Touring 4 (T4) 9.1.9 continues in the Touring Category Rules.
9.1.10. B-SPEC CATEGORY CLASSES B-Spec (B-Spec) 9.1.10 continues in the B-SPEC Category Rules.
9.1.11. SPEC MX-5 CLASS Spec MX-5 (SM5) Regional Class 9.1.11 continues in the Spec MX-5 Class Rules.
9.1.12. CARS RUN IN THE PROPER CLASS A. All cars shall race in their respective classes. B. Cars should not be run in classes and/or categories for which they were not designed or intended. The Chief Steward must approve the proposed classification. He will not approve if the car is so dissimilar or the car/driver combination otherwise unsuitable that it is a hazard or impediment to fair competition among the other cars in the class and race group.

I believe the Corvette participates in the Grand Touring class. Not sure which one though.

The Patch 04-29-2013 12:04 AM

I don't buy the rough ride idea. I guess everything is relative. Not doubt my '69 Pro-touring is a rougher ride than the '14 Z28. But, it's not like the 69 is an uncomfortable ride. Maybe people are getting soft these days. I'd buy a Z28 in a heartbeat if hadn't just purchased a ZL1.

sho928 04-29-2013 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Unreal (Post 6481273)
I think the over 500ft/lbs is a typo. LS7s make ~440 torque. No way they got 60+tq out of it.


Correct, however with 12.5:1 compression, direct injection and cam profile similar to the C7 (450-hp, 450-tq estimated out of 6.2 L) it would be possible (particularly with long tube headers and 3" exhaust) at the flywheel.

No mention of this for 2014 however but for a 3,800-lb track car 500 lb-ft of torque is a useful target to have since that is what allows the ZL1 to have better lap times (most tracks) than the GT500 by using it's superior traction to lay down the torque to generate higher corner exist speeds.

From:
http://www.chevroletperformance.com/...2397&engCat=ls

"the LS7 uses a 7.0-liter aluminum dry-sump block, CNC-ported cylinder heads, and titanium rods and valves to pump out 505 hp and 470 lb.-ft. of torque."


30 lb-ft could be gained with CAI, low restriction exhaust and tuning

madmax13 04-29-2013 08:05 AM

The shocks are 4 way adjustable. Tuned for both high speeds and low speeds. So it is entirely possible that it will ride decently on the street....

but it is a racecar so who cares!

2cnd chance 04-29-2013 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Unreal (Post 6481273)
I think the over 500ft/lbs is a typo. LS7s make ~440 torque. No way they got 60+tq out of it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sho928 (Post 6481770)
Correct, however with 12.5:1 compression, direct injection and cam profile similar to the C7 (450-hp, 450-tq estimated out of 6.2 L) it would be possible (particularly with long tube headers and 3" exhaust) at the flywheel.

No mention of this for 2014 however but for a 3,800-lb track car 500 lb-ft of torque is a useful target to have since that is what allows the ZL1 to have better lap times (most tracks) than the GT500 by using it's superior traction to lay down the torque to generate higher corner exist speeds.

From:
http://www.chevroletperformance.com/...2397&engCat=ls

"the LS7 uses a 7.0-liter aluminum dry-sump block, CNC-ported cylinder heads, and titanium rods and valves to pump out 505 hp and 470 lb.-ft. of torque."


30 lb-ft could be gained with CAI, low restriction exhaust and tuning

Yes 470 TQ! I believe the intake and exhaust have been modified for the Z/28, so the comment of over 500 is possible.

90503 04-29-2013 10:12 AM

Just for fun...what performance difference would A/C make?....Perhaps as it is an option, just wondering if it would be designed so you could by-pass with a different belt or whatever if desired...

....Some may want A/C for street use, but not want it for their track days and have a power loss...???

2cnd chance 04-29-2013 10:18 AM

If it's off doesn't it freewheel? It will add some weight to the nose though. I can't imagine you'd see much difference in lap times with it off.

90503 04-29-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance (Post 6482566)
If it's off doesn't it freewheel? It will add some weight to the nose though. I can't imagine you'd see much difference in lap times with it off.

...That's what I don't know...thought even if it was there it would be a "drag"...lol...even if off....


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