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ParisTNDude 05-01-2013 07:55 PM

Corvette Forum C7 vs Z28 Thread
 
I happened on this thread in the Corvette Forum. Lot's of Z28 supporters and plenty others who are more than a little afraid the Z28 will be faster than the new C7. So, what do you all think? Here's the thread:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...amaro-z28.html

Camaro_Corvette 05-01-2013 08:00 PM

Depends solely on a z51 package imo.

An honestly, I still hope the c7 loses.

Edit: does anybody know where they found this only 500 z/28's will be made thing. never saw that anywhere. Maybe I'm just blind. I've asked them twice in two different threads, and I received no response...:bs:

orthojoe 05-01-2013 08:21 PM

My prediction is that the Z/28 will log a slightly faster lap time than the C7 Z51. However, I think it will be because the Z/28 has stickier R comp tires, whereas the C7 Z51 will have MPSS tires. If you put R comps on the C7, it would probably be faster.

Unfortunately, because the 2 cars come from the factory with different class tires, magazine comparison will not really be apples to apples.

ParisTNDude 05-01-2013 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camaro_Corvette (Post 6493850)
Depends solely on a z51 package imo.

An honestly, I still hope the c7 loses.

Edit: does anybody know where they found this only 500 z/28's will be made thing. never saw that anywhere. Maybe I'm just blind. I've asked them twice in two different threads, and I received no response...:bs:

I was pretty sure I read where GM said they would make as many as they could sell. I certainly hope that's the case, or there will be something like an auction for only 500 of them.

PYROLYSIS 05-01-2013 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camaro_Corvette (Post 6493850)
Depends solely on a z51 package imo.

An honestly, I still hope the c7 loses.

Edit: does anybody know where they found this only 500 z/28's will be made thing. never saw that anywhere. Maybe I'm just blind. I've asked them twice in two different threads, and I received no response...:bs:

It's just gossip. Nothing like that has been officially stated.

Camaro_Corvette 05-01-2013 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS (Post 6494031)
It's just gossip. Nothing like that has been officially stated.

That what I think. I'm trying to find out where this bs began. :laugh: they don't like me very much. :yikes:

Gibroni 05-01-2013 08:57 PM

It's not an apples to apples comparison since the Z/28 is intended for the track whereas the Stingray is a street car. A true comparison would be the performance edition "Vette Z06-07 whatever they call it, if they make it. The base Stingray could cost less than the Z/28 too, which takes away some of the sting if it is indeed marginally faster.

Col. Brain 05-01-2013 09:16 PM

the Z/28 will be faster. If the predictions are correct that this is the most expensive Camaro (outside the COPO) then it will cost more than a C7 with the Z51.

At that point it better be faster. This is the GM hotrod for MY 2014 and probably 2015. Gotta sell those highly profitable cars.

carman II 05-01-2013 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camaro_Corvette (Post 6493850)
Depends solely on a z51 package imo.

An honestly, I still hope the c7 loses.

Edit: does anybody know where they found this only 500 z/28's will be made thing. never saw that anywhere. Maybe I'm just blind. I've asked them twice in two different threads, and I received no response...:bs:

Not sure where the 500 came from, but as I understand, the LS7 engines are already made and the Wixom operation is now shut down, so the potential # of Z28's (2014 + 2015(?)) should be known.

2cnd chance 05-01-2013 09:45 PM

Are they not still selling the LS7 crate engine?

Col. Brain 05-02-2013 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance (Post 6494312)
Are they not still selling the LS7 crate engine?

SDPC still states they are available for 16k

2cnd chance 05-02-2013 11:08 AM

Then somebody's "still" building them

ShnOmac 05-02-2013 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance (Post 6495939)
Then somebody's "still" building them

As of March they were still building them..... :iono:

http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/c...ain/wixom.html


Sounds like somebody is spreading rumors.

Wizard1183 05-02-2013 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Col. Brain (Post 6494819)
SDPC still states they are available for 16k

Thats high! You can buy them here for $13,592 + $175 shipping.

http://performanceparts.com/part/GMP/19244098

Col. Brain 05-02-2013 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizard1183 (Post 6496144)
Thats high! You can buy them here for $13,592 + $175 shipping.

http://performanceparts.com/part/GMP/19244098

first place off the top of my head. I have an LS7 already :thumb:

Optimus 05-02-2013 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Wizard1183 http://www.camaro5.com/forums/v6/buttons/viewpost.gif
Thats high! You can buy them here for $13,592 + $175 shipping.

http://performanceparts.com/part/GMP/19244098


Correct me if I am wrong but will that exact engine fit into a camaro? I thought i read that the exhaust manifold, etc was specifically modified to fit the engine bay of the camaro. If it is truly as easy as ordering a 1LE and then dropping another $13,500 on the engine, then that's a bargin - maybe less than a ZL-1, depending on labor costs. Damn, I am so confused on what to buy. Just glad I have awesome choices...

Wizard1183 05-02-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Col. Brain (Post 6496188)
first place off the top of my head. I have an LS7 already :thumb:

Right on! But its in a vette :( lol jk

Col. Brain 05-02-2013 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Optimus (Post 6496234)
Originally Posted by Wizard1183 http://www.camaro5.com/forums/v6/buttons/viewpost.gif
Thats high! You can buy them here for $13,592 + $175 shipping.

http://performanceparts.com/part/GMP/19244098

Correct me if I am wrong but will that exact engine fit into a camaro? I thought i read that the exhaust manifold, etc was specifically modified to fit the engine bay of the camaro. If it is truly as easy as ordering a 1LE and then dropping another $13,500 on the engine, then that's a bargin - maybe less than a ZL-1, depending on labor costs. Damn, I am so confused on what to buy. Just glad I have awesome choices...


Manifolds can be changed but im pretty sure the engine mounts are the same so it should in theory "drop in"

As for just the engine - you will need to have it tuned. You will also need to convert it to a wet sump system (Mast Motorsports sell their LS7s already converted).

I am sure there are a few other things but yes I would think you could do the swap under 20k. So for about 50k you could have a 427 1LE

Col. Brain 05-02-2013 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizard1183 (Post 6496236)
Right on! But its in a vette :( lol jk

And I will probably sell it now before the value tanks :paddle:

Wizard1183 05-03-2013 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Col. Brain (Post 6496841)
Manifolds can be changed but im pretty sure the engine mounts are the same so it should in theory "drop in"

As for just the engine - you will need to have it tuned. You will also need to convert it to a wet sump system (Mast Motorsports sell their LS7s already converted).

I am sure there are a few other things but yes I would think you could do the swap under 20k. So for about 50k you could have a 427 1LE

The price I gave with the link is just the engine. There's more you'll need. Total cost of the engine with wiring harness and dry sump system ready to drop in, is around $16000. I'd keep it dry sump instead of converting it to wet sump. That's just me tho. It'd be much easier for a wet sump configuration and if I'm not mistaken, you can swap the las3 oil pan onto this 427 along with a few other things.

Col. Brain 05-03-2013 09:47 AM

i think it was HOT ROD magazine that did a wet sump conversion to the LS7 and it picked up something like 20hp.

Wizard1183 05-03-2013 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Col. Brain (Post 6500075)
i think it was HOT ROD magazine that did a wet sump conversion to the LS7 and it picked up something like 20hp.

Yep I read the article a cpl wks ago.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...n/viewall.html

Hib Halverson 05-04-2013 11:50 AM

C7's already proven to be about 2-sec/lap quicker around VIR than the old C6 Grand Sport.

Whether the Z/28 will be quicker than a C7 is an interesting debate.

Yeah, it's got 55 more horsepower but it's also got about 500-lbs more to carry and it's got worse areo.

Once the C7 Z51 is available it would be really interesting to test it against the Z/28.

If you're looking for Camaro LS7 info, it's at:
http://www.camarohomepage.com/ls7/index.htm

Number 3 05-04-2013 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hib Halverson (Post 6504161)
C7's already proven to be about 2-sec/lap quicker around VIR than the old C6 Grand Sport.

Whether the Z/28 will be quicker than a C7 is an interesting debate.

Yeah, it's got 55 more horsepower but it's also got about 500-lbs more to carry and it's got worse areo.

Once the C7 Z51 is available it would be really interesting to test it against the Z/28.

If you're looking for Camaro LS7 info, it's at:
http://www.camarohomepage.com/ls7/index.htm

And that's assuming "more than 450 HP" doesnt' really mean 470. Of course the LS7 could make more in the Camaro as well.

So in the end it's just good conversation.

Also need to see gearing and a few other non released tidbits.

KarFan 05-04-2013 02:03 PM

C7 fans shouldn't worry too much if the Z/28 performs better because it's likely to cost more.


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