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2SSRS@Gen5diy 05-08-2013 07:31 PM

At what price do you say no way? Z/28
 
So i got this bug and wanted to see what some of use think, this will be for the MSRP only price, vote on where you say no they can keep the car

AmericanMuscleCars 05-08-2013 07:51 PM

Either 76,000 or 84,000 bucks, better lap the mustang for that money!

Col. Brain 05-08-2013 07:54 PM

Seeing how the C7 Z51 is under 54k, I do not think I could justify the Z/28 at much more than 60k

But this is my personal opinion

OldScoolCamaro 05-08-2013 08:31 PM

I said over 68K, but I'm more inclined to the 64,995 point. That's my fold point. And that's stretching it for me personally. I'd be pleased as punch and tickled pink if it comes in at 60K or so,.........but who knows.....

camaro2lt 05-08-2013 09:09 PM

you say no to the z/28 but you say hi C7

Mkur 05-08-2013 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS (Post 6520788)
So i got this bug and wanted to see what some of use think, this will be for the MSRP only price, vote on where you say no they can keep the car


I would pay only 5k more than what I did for a ZL1 and that is solely due to the updated visage

AutoBot Racing 05-08-2013 10:55 PM

I'm waiting on the numbers released on the performance of the Z28. If the 2014 Z/28:wub: competes at or near the ZR1 vette :hail: than the price will reflect the performance.

2SSRS@Gen5diy 05-09-2013 01:02 AM

It will beat the ZL1 at the track

coreyaustin17 05-09-2013 04:38 AM

mid 60's but i honestly couldnt justify the bare bones of the interior it just doesnt work i think there should be a track version and then a non track version with all the bells and whistles then i would be interested

shaffe 05-09-2013 08:45 AM

I voted over 68K bc there was no over 65K option.

If I was in the market and financially well off enough to be able to afford a new car as a toy/tracker/weekend warrior/cruiser, that would be limit. I voted this way because personally, I don't care how fast it is around the track or how many cars it would destroy on the twisties. At that 65K ish price range, I would rather spend my money on a nicely optioned Corvette than a Camaro. That will come of as a dig against the Camaro, but thats not how I meant it. I am just saying for my 65 grand I would rather have a Corvette than a balls out track camaro.

90503 05-09-2013 09:23 AM

If it does turn out to be a great track car, the car of choice for racing, etc., then it will be a bargain at over 92K....Out of the box, no mods needed, ready to go and dominate, warrantied and new....You'd be hard pressed to mod your own car for that amount of money and still be successful...

I'm out now at any price, but if it performs to all the hype, and I wanted to track/race, was shopping for a winner, it would be worth whatever they cost...

OldScoolCamaro 05-09-2013 11:41 AM

The car will not be a bargain at 92K or over. That would be inflated. And, if it's anywhere in the ZR1 price range..., then it will be limited in production for sure because you will find very few willing to spend that kind of money on a Camaro. Corvette is another matter, and then you would expect those with the buying means to trade up to the C7. Price does matter here alot, because of the choices available. Model loyalty will have only so much to factor in. This, like the ZL1, will be a upscale toy for most. Probably the same percentage will be raced between the two. I am sure the same value factor that we have seen with the ZL1 will be appreciated with the Z-28, as it will likely outperform those in it's class costing far more. So, in that sense..., it's worth more than it's price, but..it's still a Camaro at the end of the day, and theres addition through subtraction incorporated into it. The big trick pony here are the DSSV dampers. Helical cut rear axle gears is the other, so what's the engineering and development costs for those...otherwise nothing really grounbreaking or new in involved. Carbon ceramic brakes have been used on the 'Vette already...so has the LS7...basically off the shelf program available parts. R&D with a group of dedicated engineers to put all the ingrediants together and make it work seemlessly is the other price factored in. I just don't see this Mouse that roared bringing in a King's ransome. Look at all Chevy went through to bring in a more complicated project like the ZL1 and what it MSRP's for as a comparison. Theres stuff already done through the ZL1 and 1LE development that is carrying over into the Z-28. It's an amalgomation of those two plus a dose of new technology.

90503 05-09-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro (Post 6523107)
The car will not be a bargain at 92K or over. That would be inflated. And, if it's anywhere in the ZR1 price range..., then it will be limited in production for sure because you will find very few willing to spend that kind of money on a Camaro. Corvette is another matter, and then you would expect those with the buying means to trade up to the C7. Price does matter here alot, because of the choices available. Model loyalty will have only so much to factor in. This, like the ZL1, will be a upscale toy for most. Probably the same percentage will be raced between the two. I am sure the same value factor that we have seen with the ZL1 will be appreciated with the Z-28, as it will likely outperform those in it's class costing far more. So, in that sense..., it's worth more than it's price, but..it's still a Camaro at the end of the day, and theres addition through subtraction incorporated into it. The big trick pony here are the DSSV dampers. Helical cut rear axle gears is the other, so what's the engineering and development costs for those...otherwise nothing really grounbreaking or new in involved. Carbon ceramic brakes have been used on the 'Vette already...so has the LS7...basically off the shelf program available parts. R&D with a group of dedicated engineers to put all the ingrediants together and make it work seemlessly is the other price factored in. I just don't see this Mouse that roared bringing in a King's ransome. Look at all Chevy went through to bring in a more complicated project like the ZL1 and what it MSRP's for as a comparison. Theres stuff already done through the ZL1 and 1LE development that is carrying over into the Z-28. It's an amalgomation of those two plus a dose of new technology.

I hear ya...all good points...hopefully components will be reasonably priced...But I think what's yet to be determined is how many of these will be built that will absorb the development and other costs in each unit (if that's even how they do it)....

I can see the influence the Corvette may have as far as buyers for now, but as this Z/28 is imo gonna be a short-lived, one shot deal, I really don't think what you can get with a Corvette will be much of a limiting factor for price on this as one may think...The Corvettes are not as much a "purpose-built" or as unique as the Z/28, and Corvette's are an entrenched, on-going line of cars that will always be available for the foreseeable future....

Just sayin' I doubt the Z/28 will be around long enough to worry about how it's price compares to the Corvette...

shaffe 05-09-2013 03:23 PM

I think what he meant was not so much directed at the Z/28 purists, but an outside buyer who has the expendable income. They might look at the Z/28 then see they can get a corvette nicely equipped for less. I think that is where he was coming from.

This statement will probably piss of some of the people here, but I think he was trying to find a nice way to say "its still just a camaro and some people will have a hard time spending that much on a camaro but would rather spend it on a Corvette " haha. That's what group I would be in. At a certain price point I would rather get into a Corvette

Wizard1183 05-09-2013 04:15 PM

$64,995. $70k out the door. ;)

90503 05-09-2013 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shaffe (Post 6524041)
I think what he meant was not so much directed at the Z/28 purists, but an outside buyer who has the expendable income. They might look at the Z/28 then see they can get a corvette nicely equipped for less. I think that is where he was coming from.

This statement will probably piss of some of the people here, but I think he was trying to find a nice way to say "its still just a camaro and some people will have a hard time spending that much on a camaro but would rather spend it on a Corvette " haha. That's what group I would be in. At a certain price point I would rather get into a Corvette

I think all the previous discussions (and gripes) about why the Z/28 is bare-bones, etc., coming from the Camaro crowd would apply the same to the Corvette crowd with a casual interest in the Z/28....Camaro owners are told they can get "more" of what they may want in a street car by spending less for a ZL-1.....Corvette owners perhaps lose interest in the Z/28 because they could spend the "same" for a luxurious Corvette...

....Same rule applies...If that's how you look at it, the Z/28 is not the car for you....I just think all this "price-point" business, as in figuring out where the Z/28 "needs to fit in" as if it were for some long-haul model run, is pretty much non-applicable in this case...

Firefighter 05-09-2013 06:41 PM

I was most definitely out when they said it would be more than a ZL1...

Camaro_Corvette 05-09-2013 09:18 PM

I voted even though I'm not a buyer. I completely expect it to be every bit of what I voted. If not more after any available options are selected.

2SSRS@Gen5diy 05-09-2013 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Firefighter (Post 6524717)
I was most definitely out when they said it would be more than a ZL1...

At this time this is all, only what we think and nice to talk about, till GM sets the price in stone, we dont know, IMO there will be less then 1000 units built, and it will come close to 100K for the car, but then i dont work for GM so i can trow out any number and it sounds good.


Lets see where we are at.

Bhobbs 05-09-2013 10:52 PM

At this point in time, any price. I'm still in school and my Chevelle isn't running yet so my funds are severely limited.

Aldrich Z06 05-10-2013 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS (Post 6521920)
It will beat the ZL1 at the track

I just read in the new Camaro Performers mag. it is 3 seconds faster than the ZL1 on the track.

Bozz1LE 05-10-2013 12:52 AM

im hearing rumors (GM Execs) saying there going to be around the 70K mark, and to be honest if you just base the car of a performance stand point that's a great deal if it can go around a track 3-4 seconds faster than a ZL1 that puts it against the Ferrari 458 and other cars that cost 3-4x more.

2SSRS@Gen5diy 05-10-2013 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bozz1LE (Post 6526010)
im hearing rumors (GM Execs) saying there going to be around the 70K mark, and to be honest if you just base the car of a performance stand point that's a great deal if it can go around a track 3-4 seconds faster than a ZL1 that puts it against the Ferrari 458 and other cars that cost 3-4x more.

If we play the rumors game we heard the # was north of $85K and on the way to 100K so any one can play that,

shaffe 05-10-2013 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 90503 (Post 6524667)
I think all the previous discussions (and gripes) about why the Z/28 is bare-bones, etc., coming from the Camaro crowd would apply the same to the Corvette crowd with a casual interest in the Z/28....Camaro owners are told they can get "more" of what they may want in a street car by spending less for a ZL-1.....Corvette owners perhaps lose interest in the Z/28 because they could spend the "same" for a luxurious Corvette...

....Same rule applies...If that's how you look at it, the Z/28 is not the car for you....I just think all this "price-point" business, as in figuring out where the Z/28 "needs to fit in" as if it were for some long-haul model run, is pretty much non-applicable in this case...

I totally get what your saying, I cant seem to figure out how to word what I was trying to say lol. I was trying to say something along the lines for the people with enough $ to buy this as a toy, like a 3rd or 4th car.. People that might buy it just to buy it, may pass on it for something else at a certain price point, but like you said this isnt the car for them

2010SLVRBULIT 05-10-2013 08:46 AM

no way it should be more expenive than the ZL1.


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