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Chrisco22 05-14-2013 02:04 PM

VMAX BLACK ICE IS HERE, IS THIS RIGHT?
 
Just opened the package from RX and all i got was the black ice, is that all im suppose to get? I was expecting bolts as well as instructions to install? Im pretty disappointed, looking for help

lscamaro 05-14-2013 02:05 PM

Nope, I think that's all there is to it. If you buy directly from RX, you don't get extra bolts or anything. I know Ivan@Southwest Speed will throw in extra bolts. The extra bolts aren't needed but they are nice to have. And no, you don't get instructions either.

PoorMansCamaro 05-14-2013 02:06 PM

the stock bolts should fit back on with just the isolator. it is interesting that it didn't come with instructions.

PoorMansCamaro 05-14-2013 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lscamaro (Post 6542966)
Nope, I think that's all there is to it. If you buy directly from RX, you don't get extra bolts or anything. I know Ivan@Southwest Speed will throw in extra bolts. The extra bolts aren't needed but they are nice to have. And no, you don't get instructions either.

I could have sworn I got directions back when I got them, when they were fairly new on the market.:iono:

Chrisco22 05-14-2013 02:12 PM

Yeah, i mean im not an idiot, but im pretty sure instructions would help. Anyone know where i can get instructions? Hopefully the gains are noticable with this, cuz at the moment im not to happy with it. It took a month to arrive as well.

Ivan @ Southwest Speed 05-14-2013 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lscamaro (Post 6542966)
Nope, I think that's all there is to it. If you buy directly from RX, you don't get extra bolts or anything. I know Ivan@Southwest Speed will throw in extra bolts. The extra bolts aren't needed but they are nice to have. And no, you don't get instructions either.

Lotta love...thanks for the shout out. We try to keep it real for folks and include stuff to make it a little easier.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro (Post 6542972)
I could have sworn I got directions back when I got them, when they were fairly new on the market.:iono:

They should come with instructions and bolts. The bolts are an interesting deal. I've installed a few without needing them but most of the cars do need them. Safer, makes it less susceptible to stripping out the lower IM, just smarter IMHO.

Shoot me a PM with your email...I'll email you the instructions. ;)

Ivan @ Southwest Speed :biggrin:

PoorMansCamaro 05-14-2013 02:15 PM

Here are step by step instructions with pics for both insulator and IM with port matching guide:



Step 1:



Remove air coupler:



http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install002.jpg

Unplug vac hoses:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install003.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install004.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install005.jpg

un plug TB harness:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install006.jpg

remove to 13mm bolts from rear of IM (these are not resused with the isolator)

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install007.jpg

and the rest (make sure to get the rear IM bolt tha is somewhat hidden)

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install008.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install009.jpg

Lift plenum cover off and make note of this sealing spacer. It is reused:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install010.jpg

remove bolt from front brace (this is also not reused)

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install011.jpg

remove intake manifold making sure rear most bolt is held up to clear...when reinstalling bolt needs to be in IM before fitting back under cowl)

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install012.jpg

Reuse OEM gasket, but cut the tabs that hold these 2 nobs on and remove:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...stercan005.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...stercan006.jpg

The next steps are optional port matching done with a round abrasive bit on a die grinder but can be done w/a dremel as well. The idea is NOT to go deep or alter the port shape any more than tapering and blending to match:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install014.jpg

With gasket in place you can see the transition lip....trace OEM gasket openings with a sharpie marker:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install013.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install015.jpg



Remove gasket and tape over all ports except the one you are matchng. Stuff a paper towel wadded up into the port to keep debris out of the cylinder and use a shop vac to suck up flakes as you work:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install016.jpg

Again!! Only blend and open to the sharpie line. You want no flow disrupting transition, but do NOT want to go ery deep into the port:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install017.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install018.jpg

Should look like this when complete:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install019.jpg

and with the gasket installed:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install020.jpg

with Black Ice-olator installed....see the nice transition now?

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install021.jpg

Spread a small bead of Permatex Right stuff (or RTV) around each port making sure to not over do it. You dont want it squeezing into the port and causing a flow disruption)

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install022.jpg

Reinstall all in reverse and make sure to tighten the rear most and front most bolts (they are slightly shorter than the main center ones) first tobegin comprssing the gasket. This will allow the center ones to start properly:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install023.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install024.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...install025.jpg

Apex Motorsports 05-14-2013 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisco22 (Post 6542953)
Just opened the package from RX and all i got was the black ice, is that all im suppose to get? I was expecting bolts as well as instructions to install? Im pretty disappointed, looking for help

You reuse the stock hardware and VMAX does not include instructions. I believe we print some off and put them in with the one's we have in stock.

Chrisco22 05-14-2013 04:07 PM

Should i feel a relative difference with this installed?

Apex Motorsports 05-14-2013 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisco22 (Post 6543480)
Should i feel a relative difference with this installed?

Yes. You will definitely notice it.

RubyCamaro 05-14-2013 08:13 PM

Oh Hell Yeah, you will notice! :burnrubber:

ChadG 05-14-2013 09:27 PM

Thanks PoorMan, subscribing just for your post!

hawkfe 05-14-2013 09:51 PM

Question: With the ICEolator and Plenum Spacer does the engine cover fit back on?

bandier 05-14-2013 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivan @ Southwest Speed (Post 6542997)
Lotta love...thanks for the shout out. We try to keep it real for folks and include stuff to make it a little easier.



They should come with instructions and bolts. The bolts are an interesting deal. I've installed a few without needing them but most of the cars do need them. Safer, makes it less susceptible to stripping out the lower IM, just smarter IMHO.

Shoot me a PM with your email...I'll email you the instructions. ;)

Ivan @ Southwest Speed :biggrin:

Now that's just good business :respekt:!!!

Cyber Gray 05-15-2013 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisco22 (Post 6543480)
Should i feel a relative difference with this installed?

25mm isolator is the best V6 mod in the market.

menendez1293 05-15-2013 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawkfe (Post 6544936)
Question: With the ICEolator and Plenum Spacer does the engine cover fit back on?

I know i have seen people re-install it with just the Iceolator but i haven't seen many install it with the Plenum cover. You probably will need to extend the oil filler neck and the engine cover stud in order to re-install the cover though

SC2150 05-15-2013 04:50 PM

All instructions are on our website: www.RevXtreme.com

Lower left corner, under "information"

No need for longer bolts unless getting the plenum spacer as well, just follow the instructions.

:thumbsup:

spyder 05-29-2013 04:38 PM

I'm not a mechanic but I feel like I can do the install of the iceolator. I know I need a flex head 13mm ratchet wrench for the rear bolts. What size or sizes should torque wrench be? Are all the bolts 13mm?

rtcat600man 05-29-2013 05:10 PM

13 mm bolts for all the ones on the top. 18 ft lbs of TQ when installing them. Be sure to do it while the engine is cold.

ChadG 05-29-2013 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtcat600man (Post 6604134)
13 mm bolts for all the ones on the top. 18 ft lbs of TQ when installing them. Be sure to do it while the engine is cold.

So would you consider buying a torque wrench for this install mandatory?

Would a $20 deflection bar torque wrench be good enough?

rtcat600man 05-29-2013 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChadG (Post 6605049)
So would you consider buying a torque wrench for this install mandatory?

Would a $20 deflection bar torque wrench be good enough?


Yes, breaking that bolt off in the head would be bad.

No, I would invest in a good torque wrench. Every mechanic should have one. Can be used for every bolt on the car. Including the lug nuts. I use mine often. Every time I change to my drag radials, rotate my tires, etc.

ChadG 05-29-2013 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtcat600man (Post 6605167)
Yes, breaking that bolt off in the head would be bad.

No, I would invest in a good torque wrench. Every mechanic should have one. Can be used for every bolt on the car. Including the lug nuts. I use mine often. Every time I change to my drag radials, rotate my tires, etc.

Mind sending me a link to one that is rtcat600man approved? :bow:

rtcat600man 05-30-2013 09:39 AM

I didn't know Sears carried so many differant styles.

http://www.sears.com/search=torque+w...e=CAT_REC_PRED

LIM3 05-30-2013 10:10 AM

Question regarding the DIY.
When port matching. Isn't it a bad this to have the dust from the shaving fall into the hole ?

LIM3 05-30-2013 12:13 PM

Oh and what are the benefits of port matching ?


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