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Merc 05-15-2013 01:34 AM

Who can port a SS manifold?
 
Looks like I'm going to put my hands on a second SS manifold and I'll be looking for someone to port and polish it for me. Who can do it?

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Merc 05-17-2013 06:19 PM

Looks like nobody.:frown:

xjer22x 05-17-2013 06:41 PM

lol well seeing as the manifolds are made out of Nylon.. or a plastic basically. They cant be polished. And porting them would be very difficult due to the material as well. Thats why there aren't many responses. I would also think the V8 bolt on section would be a better spot for this too mayb. Good luck with results.

SC2150 05-17-2013 07:49 PM

We do them (never polish a port job...that was what we did in the 60's and 70's before we found it cost power) but they are so time consuming dont really advertise. I have several yet to finish here. When we get a 5 axis CNC machine we will develope a program to do them.

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xjer22x 05-17-2013 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SC2150 (Post 6556766)
We do them (never polish a port job...that was what we did in the 60's and 70's before we found it cost power) but they are so time consuming dont really advertise. I have several yet to finish here. When we get a 5 axis CNC machine we will develope a program to do them.

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Good to know! Thanks for chiming in. What would it cost to do something like that? i might know a guy interested.

Rhino79 05-17-2013 08:26 PM

I do them, but more so on in house builds.

drayco513 05-17-2013 08:45 PM

its pretty much a waste of time. unless u just taking it off anyway . if u look at most of the sponsors that port them do a lil research u will see they dont do as advertised . but they will see some do 3-5 rwhp. but u see some do 3-5 loss too. if u going bigger tb , bigger c.i.d. then i would look into it more but dont see the chances and money being spent on it. ive seen alot of 3rd party testing and it 75% of the time or more . they show no gains to -2 to +2 hp the other 24% . the other 1% is the +3 range lol

Rhino79 05-17-2013 10:47 PM

I literally picked up 12 rwtq and 15 rwhp on my friends cammed ls3 car, with only intake manifold modifications. Testing was done within 2 hrs on the same day, same conditions, and no tuning changes. AFR was the same, timing was the same. You just have to know what to modify, its not just a "hog it out" ordeal.

Merc 05-18-2013 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SC2150 (Post 6556766)
We do them (never polish a port job...that was what we did in the 60's and 70's before we found it cost power) but they are so time consuming dont really advertise. I have several yet to finish here. When we get a 5 axis CNC machine we will develope a program to do them.

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I'm interested.

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Merc 05-18-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by drayco513 (Post 6556993)
its pretty much a waste of time. unless u just taking it off anyway . if u look at most of the sponsors that port them do a lil research u will see they dont do as advertised . but they will see some do 3-5 rwhp. but u see some do 3-5 loss too. if u going bigger tb , bigger c.i.d. then i would look into it more but dont see the chances and money being spent on it. ive seen alot of 3rd party testing and it 75% of the time or more . they show no gains to -2 to +2 hp the other 24% . the other 1% is the +3 range lol

I don't think it a waste of time and I'm going to get one done as well as have the throttle body ported.. Just so happens that I have a deal with another member to buy a take off manifold and I will do the heater hose re-location when I swap out the manifold.

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Merc 05-18-2013 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhino79 (Post 6557521)
I literally picked up 12 rwtq and 15 rwhp on my friends cammed ls3 car, with only intake manifold modifications. Testing was done within 2 hrs on the same day, same conditions, and no tuning changes. AFR was the same, timing was the same. You just have to know what to modify, its not just a "hog it out" ordeal.

Cool Thx.

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drayco513 05-18-2013 11:06 AM

rhino , not sayin it cant be done but u know as well as me. most dont see those gains. but it does happen time to time. merc i hope u do gain something. but dont be disappointed when its not what they tell u. just do a quick search on ls1tech or google .
make sure u say ls3 intake. cause yes other intakes do respond much better to porting.

Merc 05-18-2013 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by drayco513 (Post 6558725)
rhino , not sayin it cant be done but u know as well as me. most dont see those gains. but it does happen time to time. merc i hope u do gain something. but dont be disappointed when its not what they tell u. just do a quick search on ls1tech or google .
make sure u say ls3 intake. cause yes other intakes do respond much better to porting.

Thx Bud. My goal is to get close to the top of the "Bolt on with no internals" fast list and as you may well know that's a very tuff sandbox to play in.

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Rhino79 05-18-2013 11:20 AM

There is work to do other than just porting and removing material. That's where the gains are. I agree just removing material, and generic porting will not yield gains. It didn't on my car. But when I researched some more, I found some good info on things to try, and they did help, to my surprise....lol. I have done it on about 3-4 cars now and all have shown similar gains. Porting the ports does nothing, opening the throat up does nothing, cutting the stands out does nothing. Actually I will say that without touching any of those areas, I can get 5-10 tq and about that much power too!

Merc 05-18-2013 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhino79 (Post 6558771)
There is work to do other than just porting and removing material. That's where the gains are. I agree just removing material, and generic porting will not yield gains. It didn't on my car. But when I researched some more, I found some good info on things to try, and they did help, to my surprise....lol. I have done it on about 3-4 cars now and all have shown similar gains. Porting the ports does nothing, opening the throat up does nothing, cutting the stands out does nothing. Actually I will say that without touching any of those areas, I can get 5-10 tq and about that much power too!

Any chance you would help me with this project.:iono:

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drayco513 05-18-2013 11:58 AM

rhino , if ur up to it soon , i may send a intake out and let u port it and see what ur show. its hard to find those gains for the price of the hp u gain.

Rhino79 05-18-2013 01:21 PM

I can do it for you guys do sho. Be good to see an independent test.

Merc 05-18-2013 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhino79 (Post 6559091)
I can do it for you guys do sho. Be good to see an independent test.

Very cool. Thx. I just sent a PM to the member who is selling off his take off SS manifold. Just have to firm up shipping fee and method of payment.

THX Again

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SC2150 05-18-2013 04:00 PM

What Rhino is seeing is right along the lines of what we see as well. Some moght hit 18 or so, but figure 15 on average. You can easily ruin these as well since the composite is "sonic welded" together so if you try and take to much out you cause leakage between the runners and it results in less power than stock...and we see tons ruin them.

There is definately plenty of area to work on.

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striker1703 05-18-2013 04:43 PM

I had my manifold ported along with a cam installed at CPR . I took the leap of faith.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264653


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drayco513 05-18-2013 10:49 PM

so is there a claim like all other ported stuff with these intakes. if ur not happy send it back type stuff. cause i would like to try it out and will get 3rd party testing done aswell. but i dont want to be out of 2-3 hundred and gain 1 rwhp.

drayco513 05-18-2013 10:51 PM

seen alot of reviews on sc2150 stuff and ive yet to see 3rd party test showing anything close to 10rwhp on it much less 15 on a ls3 intake. ive seen alot of no gains and minimal gains there is accually a thread in the sponsors section .

Merc 08-22-2013 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhino79 (Post 6559091)
I can do it for you guys do sho. Be good to see an independent test.

I have a second manifold to play with now. Like to talk to you about it for sure. Could give you a call on my dime.

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Camarojt 08-22-2013 04:54 PM

Merc I'm getting mine done as we speak right now so I will be able to somewhat tell the gains on this. I'm also doing a few other things so it won't just be intake gains but should be interesting nevertheless.

Merc 08-22-2013 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Camarojt (Post 6929563)
Merc I'm getting mine done as we speak right now so I will be able to somewhat tell the gains on this. I'm also doing a few other things so it won't just be intake gains but should be interesting nevertheless.

Cool! Who's doing it?


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