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solteroblues 05-18-2013 09:54 AM

tune cables
 
can you use a standard obd-ii to usb scan cable to install flashed tunings? I already have one of those, and Trifecta and the others charge $200 for theirs, it doesn't look any different. The cost of the cable is a big deterrent to me forking over the total cost of the tune!

Thanks!

camaro_RS 05-18-2013 10:03 AM

Not sure if you can use that....but if you look in the members classified section here you will find someone trying to sell their tune cable. I recently got one for $75...which I thought was a pretty good deal considering that's half off of the cheapest I found a new one to be.

solteroblues 05-18-2013 10:45 AM

Does anyone ever loan theirs out? I really don't see using it more than the initial tune and then the 1-2 follow ups. Seems like such a huge expense for something so seldom used. Kind of like my wife's $450 juicer!

pgustavson 05-18-2013 09:15 PM

If you're not in a rush to get the tune, BNR runs free-cable sales from time to time. I got in one one last September. Don't know if they have one planned for any time soon, but I thought I'd just throw that out there...

solteroblues 05-18-2013 09:18 PM

Wow, that would be great. They offer a loaner program, but you still have to come up with the $200 deposit up front.

KMPrenger 05-19-2013 11:37 AM

Not 100% sure yet, but I may have my red cable up for sale for a decent price within a few weeks.

Swarm 05-19-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger (Post 6562608)
Not 100% sure yet, but I may have my red cable up for sale for a decent price within a few weeks.

going for IPF?

KMPrenger 05-19-2013 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Swarm (Post 6562689)
going for IPF?

Well, that's the ultimate goal, but not immediately. I plan to post more about it once I've had more seat time, but just to say quickly, I went back to the stock tune and now I'm wondering if the Trifecta tune was really adding any performance at all.

camaro_RS 05-19-2013 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger (Post 6562706)
Well, that's the ultimate goal, but not immediately. I plan to post more about it once I've had more seat time, but just to say quickly, I went back to the stock tune and now I'm wondering if the Trifecta tune was really adding any performance at all.



:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

menendez1293 05-19-2013 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger (Post 6562706)
Well, that's the ultimate goal, but not immediately. I plan to post more about it once I've had more seat time, but just to say quickly, I went back to the stock tune and now I'm wondering if the Trifecta tune was really adding any performance at all.

In reality the Trifecta has never had a solid reputation with giving a good increase in power. It is mainly used to clear the CEL for people with headers and making the shifts more aggressive if asked for. Other than those two things the only thing that is different about the Trifecta is the Ghost Cam. When I get LT and i can afford the IPF that is what i will go for but if not I might just go with Trifecta.

solteroblues 05-19-2013 08:58 PM

I'm mainly concerned with shift firmness so the hypertech can give me that, but I'm also planning on getting a ported tb. I don't know anything about the ipf, but isn't it about twice as expensive?

camaro_RS 05-19-2013 09:13 PM

[QUOTE=solteroblues;6564318]I'm mainly concerned with shift firmness so the hypertech can give me that, but I'm also planning on getting a ported tb. I don't know anything about the ipf, but isn't it about twice as expensive?[/QUOTE]


Depending on your mods.....yes.

solteroblues 05-19-2013 09:38 PM

So do really think there's no gain from the trifecta tune?

Swarm 05-20-2013 06:40 AM

The question is, is the power difference between the two tunes is worth the switch?
Pretty sure there is gain with trifecta, but less than IPF it seems

Blues45th 05-20-2013 06:46 AM

I have a custom Fsp tune. For those who question if there tune is giving them gains, well it isn't, that is if you have to question it. I had my car get flashed back to stick from a lazy tech who didn't wanna relearn my sensors for tires on a rotation. I left the dealer and I got on the gas and I was like wtf. Well after going back down to Fsp to see what the dealer did. All they did was flash me back to stock. I was so spoiled over the past three weeks with the Fsp tune from Matt and Rodney, that I thought something was wrong when the car was running in stock specs. So I will say if you question what your tune is doing to your car then I gotta say your tune is lacking. With my Fsp tune I have no doubt question or hesitation in saying its getting 110% out of my mistress and I love every second I'm sitting in that drivers seat.

911medic 05-20-2013 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by menendez1293 (Post 6563650)
In reality the Trifecta has never had a solid reputation with giving a good increase in power. It is mainly used to clear the CEL for people with headers and making the shifts more aggressive if asked for. Other than those two things the only thing that is different about the Trifecta is the Ghost Cam. When I get LT and i can afford the IPF that is what i will go for but if not I might just go with Trifecta.

Is your comment regarding the LLT specifically? From what I recall seeing, tunes on the LLT were getting about 15 HP, but on the LFX they were pushing 30 HP.

Not questioning your statement's validity, just trying to clarify. I have no experience with any of the available tunes, but may look to tune eventually.

DJ ATOMIX 05-20-2013 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by solteroblues (Post 6558823)
Does anyone ever loan theirs out? I really don't see using it more than the initial tune and then the 1-2 follow ups. Seems like such a huge expense for something so seldom used. Kind of like my wife's $450 juicer!

If you get a new mod, likely you'll have to get a retune plus you can use this cable to reset codes with the correct software.

On another note, these cables are used in all kinds of other new vehicles coming out to the market so down the road, you might be needed this cable with another vehicle that you may wish to tune.

solteroblues 05-20-2013 01:26 PM

I'm starting to have some doubts about the Trifecta. It seems about a 60-40 lean towards it not being worth the money. Every other thread I read about it, people say both ways. I don't know if it's worth the hassle. I could go with the Hypertech that would give me tunings for my vararam and transmission shift points, for less money, but when I add the ported throttle body, it doesn't appear to offer any kind of tuning for that. Is that going to make a big difference?

menendez1293 05-20-2013 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911medic (Post 6565539)
Is your comment regarding the LLT specifically? From what I recall seeing, tunes on the LLT were getting about 15 HP, but on the LFX they were pushing 30 HP.

Not questioning your statement's validity, just trying to clarify. I have no experience with any of the available tunes, but may look to tune eventually.

My comment was in regards to the LLT. Thanks to its lock tight Bosch ECU it has made it very difficult to have many tune options. While the Trifecta will deliver a slight HP increase the IPF has been shown to have a higher performance increase. Since the LFX has a Delphi ECU it has made tuning on them much much easier.

menendez1293 05-20-2013 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solteroblues (Post 6566679)
I'm starting to have some doubts about the Trifecta. It seems about a 60-40 lean towards it not being worth the money. Every other thread I read about it, people say both ways. I don't know if it's worth the hassle. I could go with the Hypertech that would give me tunings for my vararam and transmission shift points, for less money, but when I add the ported throttle body, it doesn't appear to offer any kind of tuning for that. Is that going to make a big difference?

You shouldn't need a tune/re-tune for a ported throttle body. That is a pretty simple and straight forward mod

solteroblues 05-20-2013 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by menendez1293 (Post 6566754)
You shouldn't need a tune/re-tune for a ported throttle body. That is a pretty simple and straight forward mod

So the hypertech should give me everything I need and possibly save a few bucks? And will never need a cable? Sounds like the best option, unless there's something that I'm missing.

KMPrenger 05-20-2013 06:33 PM

Hypertech is the tune that never ever gets talked about, and I think that is because it is the most "canned" like tune and because of that got written off. Heck...even I never considered it. Now I'm thinking twice about that.

A member here with one of the most successful 1/4 mile times for a bolt on V6 ran that tune and seemed pretty happy with it.

I don't believe the Hypertech covers LT headers, but otherwise, I think you would be good to use it.

MDV6er 05-20-2013 09:20 PM

I've loved my trifecta tune. Going from stock tune to my original trifecta tune is a big difference. No dyno to prove it, but the car just pulls better

Can't_C_Me 05-20-2013 10:34 PM

Every car reacts different in all aspects of modding for power. None will feel or seem the same. I noticed a big difference when I got my Trifecta tune before FI on my M6 with no trans tune. I have done in the past the tuned to stock then back to tuned deal. And I noticed a difference. So engines are weaker than others while others are stronger, it's the luck of the purchase with GM lol!

solteroblues 05-21-2013 07:14 PM

Found a local trifecta tuner, so may not need the cable to begin with. But I'd still like to get one for logging or future upgrades


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