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jashobbsie 05-22-2013 04:45 AM

How to Slay a GT500!
 
I'm not too mechanically inclined but this recent summer article in "Camaro Now" helped explain how the different stage kits from "TORQ's" can unleash your stock ZL1's potential... If there is anyone else on this forum who is new to this stuff, maybe this will shed some light on these "bolt on" packages... cheers!
here are some pics I took on my camara of the mag article....hope you can manage to read it fine... note: click the bar above the picture to make them bigger and easier for reading...



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Hope you enjoyed this... :popcorn:

newmoon 05-22-2013 08:32 AM

I don’t think that it’s a good idea to chase the 13-500s hp numbers. As you can see even with all those mods the ZL1 only managed 560 rwhp in this article, while the 500 usually sees 600-620 rwhp stock. If the 500 adds a pulley and tune and they are sitting at 680. So you get the idea. Instead I think you are better off to work on getting your car to be more efficient, learn how to launch and drive it. Last week a member here drove a stock ZL1 with DRs to an 11:50s pass. That pass would beat 90% of the stock 13-500s out there. IMO this is much more impressive than somebody throwing a bunch of dollars at their car to boast about hp numbers.

sonic656 05-22-2013 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon (Post 6574050)
I don’t think that it’s a good idea to chase the 13-500s hp numbers. As you can see even with all those mods the ZL1 only managed 560 rwhp in this article, while the 500 usually sees 600-620 rwhp stock. If the 500 adds a pulley and tune and they are sitting at 680. So you get the idea. Instead I think you are better off to work on getting your car to be more efficient, learn how to launch and drive it. Last week a member here drove a stock ZL1 with DRs to an 11:50s pass. That pass would beat 90% of the stock 13-500s out there. IMO this is much more impressive than somebody throwing a bunch of dollars at their car to boast about hp numbers.

I gotta say I totally agree. With a pulley,CAI,TB and tune those 500's are seeing over 100rwhps gains as well. With less work; no exhaust, porting or cooling mods.

On the other hand more power is always a good thing :happy0180::thumbup::headbang:

lexlueger 05-22-2013 11:19 AM

:crazy: 2013 500's taste like chicken...

Lethal Z 05-22-2013 11:39 AM

How to slay a GT500 (Short Version)....


....Take a corner.....:D

steveo9043 05-22-2013 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Lethal Z (Post 6574655)
How to slay a GT500 (Short Version)....


....Take a corner.....:D

haha I must now try to make a meme with that.

Here ya go
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/22/e7epevyq.jpg

tmandoug1 05-22-2013 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by steveo9043 (Post 6574673)
haha I must now try to make a meme with that.

Here ya go
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/22/e7epevyq.jpg

:sm0:

Lethal Z 05-22-2013 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by steveo9043 (Post 6574673)
haha I must now try to make a meme with that.

Here ya go
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/22/e7epevyq.jpg


:w00t:

69NMYSS 05-22-2013 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by newmoon (Post 6574050)
I donít think that itís a good idea to chase the 13-500s hp numbers. As you can see even with all those mods the ZL1 only managed 560 rwhp in this article, while the 500 usually sees 600-620 rwhp stock. If the 500 adds a pulley and tune and they are sitting at 680. So you get the idea. Instead I think you are better off to work on getting your car to be more efficient, learn how to launch and drive it. Last week a member here drove a stock ZL1 with DRs to an 11:50s pass. That pass would beat 90% of the stock 13-500s out there. IMO this is much more impressive than somebody throwing a bunch of dollars at their car to boast about hp numbers.

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Originally Posted by sonic656 (Post 6574538)
I gotta say I totally agree. With a pulley,CAI,TB and tune those 500's are seeing over 100rwhps gains as well. With less work; no exhaust, porting or cooling mods.

On the other hand more power is always a good thing :happy0180::thumbup::headbang:

Not sure if the GT500, stock, is putting down 620rwhp on a Mustang Dyno? Regardless, the additional HP coming from the GT500 (stock) cost you $5k more than the ZL1 (Stock). $5k can get you a lot of HP with proper cooling on the ZL1.

2012-1822 05-22-2013 12:47 PM

Ok. Take a corner yes, but. Ok in the first Fast and Furious there is the winning is winning crap. I still say the ZL1 is the superior car between it and the GT500 and the GTR. Because dollar for dollar its a better car. Meaning you throw the price difference between a ZL1 and a GT500 (with all the track pack and cooling stuff that ZL1 comes standard with) and now ZL1 lays down a better time at everything.

GTR? Ok well any car that the warranty is voided as soon as you turn off the nannies is a piece of crap. Plus. Can you imagine throwing $30,000 into a ZL1 to match the GTR price. Horsepower off the chart. Total suspension job, weight reduction, my god.

Bottom line is that the ZL1 going faster than a GT500 in a straight line is just a matter of HP, the GT500 will never be as track worthy. Next Gen Mustang though, with IRS, the game might be on.

Good article though, I might take a look at some of there stuff.

sonic656 05-22-2013 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 69NMYSS (Post 6574913)
Not sure if the GT500, stock, is putting down 620rwhp on a Mustang Dyno? Regardless, the additional HP coming from the GT500 (stock) cost you $5k more than the ZL1 (Stock). $5k can get you a lot of HP with proper cooling on the ZL1.


Hahaha awesome meme :sm0::sm0::sm0:. New background material worthy.

The base MSRP of the GT500 is cheaper and there is no additional HP coming from any option box you can check off the GT500 order sheet. I thought we've gone over this a million times on this website :noidea:

RedCamaroZL1 05-22-2013 05:32 PM

You can make any car fast if you throw enough money at it....

The base price of both is within $500 of each other, but when you option them up, the GT500 is way more. Plus, the Ford dealers won't budge on price. I test drove the Shelby with all the options I wanted and it was $67,090. My ZL1 stickered at $58,444. I paid $56,000 and had $1500 on my GM card, so $54,500.
I think they are both awesome cars, but I don't think the GT500 is $67090 awesome. It should cost 60 even, with all the options.

ZL600 FK 05-22-2013 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 69NMYSS (Post 6574913)
Not sure if the GT500, stock, is putting down 620rwhp on a Mustang Dyno? Regardless, the additional HP coming from the GT500 (stock) cost you $5k more than the ZL1 (Stock). $5k can get you a lot of HP with proper cooling on the ZL1.

I agree the GT500 stock is not putting down 620 rwhp, it is make 662 hp at the block which compares to the ZL1's 580 hp at the block. 620 rwhp would be close to 745 hp at the block - do not think so at all!

BeardWS6 05-22-2013 06:17 PM

Complete, all I`m waiting on is my new nitto`s for the back next week. 315 drag radials to get a little traction with 700rwhp and 694trq...

ZL600 FK 05-22-2013 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sonic656 (Post 6574538)
I gotta say I totally agree. With a pulley,CAI,TB and tune those 500's are seeing over 100rwhps gains as well. With less work; no exhaust, porting or cooling mods.

On the other hand more power is always a good thing :happy0180::thumbup::headbang:

Also a super snake is 850 hp at the block and it cost only $40,000 more - not to sure you are going to get 100 rwhp with those simple mods.

ZL1terminator 05-22-2013 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ZL600 FK (Post 6576448)
Also a super snake is 850 hp at the block and it cost only $40,000 more - not to sure you are going to get 100 rwhp with those simple mods.

Dennis on here has simple bolt ons and tune, 13 gt500, 721whp and wtq to match, you have a built/stroked block basically 5.8L(yes I know we have 6.2) but he has 2.3L blower while we have the baby 1.9L!

Whipple 4L, KB 3.6LC units on our cars with some extra work I can only imagine but considering they have full interior street able gt500 running 8's now at 159mph I'm sorry don't see the zl1 doing this in the near future!

I own a Zl1 with 661whp and loveeeee it and wouldn't trade it for anything! Doesn't mean I'm a brand nazi and think chev has the gt500 from all angles,

8.9@159 and dyno video
http://youtu.be/GpLwx7bzbww

Second one is another monster they built that catwalks for fun :-) no purpose just enjoy the vid :-) ps - ice ice baby be stuck in your head for a week if you watch it hahaha
http://youtu.be/D2z8exW96l8

FINALLYSATISFIED 05-23-2013 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Lethal Z (Post 6574655)
How to slay a GT500 (Short Version)....


....Take a corner.....:D

Preach!

newmoon 05-23-2013 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ZL600 FK (Post 6576381)
I agree the GT500 stock is not putting down 620 rwhp, it is make 662 hp at the block which compares to the ZL1's 580 hp at the block. 620 rwhp would be close to 745 hp at the block - do not think so at all!

620 was the highest I have seen, actually it was 619, there are however numerous cars that are pulling 600-610s rwhp. It really is amazing and I suspect Ford under-rated this car a bit. These cars are also trapping as high as 127 mph stock in cool weather, which backs up the dyno numbers. I think it's safe to assume that the 500 is producing every bit of it's advertised hp and then some.

Faster12 05-23-2013 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon (Post 6574050)
I donít think that itís a good idea to chase the 13-500s hp numbers. As you can see even with all those mods the ZL1 only managed 560 rwhp in this article, while the 500 usually sees 600-620 rwhp stock. If the 500 adds a pulley and tune and they are sitting at 680. So you get the idea. Instead I think you are better off to work on getting your car to be more efficient, learn how to launch and drive it. Last week a member here drove a stock ZL1 with DRs to an 11:50s pass. That pass would beat 90% of the stock 13-500s out there. IMO this is much more impressive than somebody throwing a bunch of dollars at their car to boast about hp numbers.

What you and the guy who posted below you are forgetting is that the 13 500 already has a CAI and it's already running like 4 more lbs of boost! I do agree that it's not a huge deal to concern yourself with the numbers as much as with driver skill, but numbers tell the tale when you put equally matched drivers on the dragstrip. Is there a time slip anywhere showing a stock GT 500 running 11.5s? More food for thought, although the track pack does not add any additional horsepower, it does reduce the usability of the vehicle. You can't take it to a road coarse, whereas we can so the ZL1 takes a point there. The basic argument is dollar for dollar, part for part, the ZL1 is the better car. It comes more well equipped at such a similar price and theoretically if everything were the same i.e. 2300 blower, 12-14 lbs of boost or whatever the 500 is running, and CAI the ZL1 would destroy the GT500. The debate will always continue, but I wish you guys would stop with the GT500 stock conversation when clearly there is nothing similar about the two cars in their stock conditions.

SRT8Tech 05-23-2013 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by lexlueger (Post 6574582)
:crazy: 2013 500's taste like chicken...

That's what my 2012 GT500 says.....:)

sonic656 05-23-2013 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ZL600 FK (Post 6576448)
Also a super snake is 850 hp at the block and it cost only $40,000 more - not to sure you are going to get 100 rwhp with those simple mods.

People are seeing gains of roughly 100rwhp just those mods. Its happening.

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Originally Posted by SRT8Tech (Post 6578694)
That's what my 2012 GT500 says.....:)

Hahaha :thumb:

It would be cool to see that Torq car vs a stock '13-'14. As for the 11.5 stock timeslips I think the svtp fast list has a few around that time or faster. Not saying any of them are legit though.

ZL600 FK 05-23-2013 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by newmoon (Post 6578433)
620 was the highest I have seen, actually it was 619, there are however numerous cars that are pulling 600-610s rwhp. It really is amazing and I suspect Ford under-rated this car a bit. These cars are also trapping as high as 127 mph stock in cool weather, which backs up the dyno numbers. I think it's safe to assume that the 500 is producing every bit of it's advertised hp and then some.

I seriously doubt Ford would unrate the car over a 100 hp. This is the press release. If someone is get 620 rwhp, they are not stock, maybe its tuning (I doubt), but they are not stock.

*UPDATE: We've received an official press release from Ford quoting power figures of 662 horsepower and 631 pound-feet of torque, making the 2013 Ford Shelby GT500's engine the most powerful production V8 in the world.

Originally, Ford was rating it at 650 hp. If they updated and added 12 hp, they would not under rate it over 100 hp.

ZL1terminator 05-23-2013 01:24 PM

I think we are drifting off top, as the topic states slay a gt500! And he has posted mag articles basically saying what upgrades are needed to do so!

I posted those mad videos and talked about mods, people arguing what the gt500 has stock isn't anything to do what slaying one!

They have 662bhp we have 580bhp and we loose the few hundred pound weight difference as well

I think kenne bell, whipple, <-- big boys should get on a kit for us cause between us and caddies it will move products!!!

There's a quick slayin remedy, orrr

Just drop is off at davenport like you were planning jay! Lol :-)

newmoon 05-23-2013 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZL600 FK (Post 6579604)
I seriously doubt Ford would unrate the car over a 100 hp. This is the press release. If someone is get 620 rwhp, they are not stock, maybe its tuning (I doubt), but they are not stock.

*UPDATE: We've received an official press release from Ford quoting power figures of 662 horsepower and 631 pound-feet of torque, making the 2013 Ford Shelby GT500's engine the most powerful production V8 in the world.

Originally, Ford was rating it at 650 hp. If they updated and added 12 hp, they would not under rate it over 100 hp.

Like I said do a little digging, there are numbers everywhere. What amazes me even more than the rwhp of the 500 is the incredible rwtq numbers.


Direct dyno comparison same day / time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=yZBKBf8Zsjo

High End
Stock dyno pulls
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...appointed.html

Average
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...-delivery.html

ZL600 FK 05-23-2013 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ZL1terminator (Post 6579759)
I think we are drifting off top, as the topic states slay a gt500! And he has posted mag articles basically saying what upgrades are needed to do so!

I posted those mad videos and talked about mods, people arguing what the gt500 has stock isn't anything to do what slaying one!

They have 662bhp we have 580bhp and we loose the few hundred pound weight difference as well

I think kenne bell, whipple, <-- big boys should get on a kit for us cause between us and caddies it will move products!!!

There's a quick slayin remedy, orrr

Just drop is off at davenport like you were planning jay! Lol :-)

I will leave it with this - if you want to slay something, you need to know what your up against.

Here is dyno of ZL1 vs GT 500 same day same dyno - it should be noted that I think both are a little high, but a good comparison. So one would have to get at least 100 rwhp more with upgrades to match hp.


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