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OHIOSS 06-01-2013 11:42 PM

Your experience w/ nitrous.
 
I am going to have the Zex nitrous system installed, this is an automatic system that kicks in @ wide open throttle (WOT). Does anyone have this system or one similiar that can tell me about it? I have a M6 transmission.

When you floor it and the nitrous kicks in I would think the RPM's would increase to the red line almost instantly making you have to back off of the throttle, is that how it works? It would seem like you wouldn't be able to shift fast enough to keep from red lining. What kind of feel is it when the nitrous opens? I want that "push me back in the seat" feeling where you can really feel the G's. How about sound, is there any sound difference when the nitrous opens?

If you have a purge system where did you mount the purge nozzle? If you have any advice please lay it on me.



Russ

OHIOSS 06-02-2013 04:48 AM

No comment? :noidea::noidea:

Doesn't anyone have nitrous? :noidea:

mikeyg36 06-02-2013 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by OHIOSS (Post 6618142)
No comment? :noidea::noidea:

Doesn't anyone have nitrous? :noidea:

You might get more answers in the nitrous subforum.

Badbubba 06-02-2013 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeyg36 (Post 6618197)
You might get more answers in the nitrous subforum.

Read the nitrous sticky under the FI section. Window switch in conjuction with wot or tps will keep you spraying at the correct rpms. Wet or dry kit? Plate or nozzle? Not sure what Zex offers. Your current mods? G's, depends on how big of a shot. Which depends on your level of traction, your ability to supply fuel and how you tune. Sound? What's your current exhaust? Through mine, it sounds more "mean".

bbbang 06-02-2013 09:25 AM

You should consider contacting Nitrous Outlet for your system they have great products and customer service.

cybergrayls3 06-02-2013 09:43 AM

i had a harris speed works kit on my 4th gen camaro..the rpms dont just shoot to redline..i was only spraying a 100 shot on a cam/bolt-on/stalled ls1..i used the 150 shot a few times but it didnt seem to pull that much harder then the 100 shot. Its not like fast and furious where you hit the nitrous and suddenly everything around you turns green and purple and gets blurry haha. I mean if your car makes around 370rwhp stock..and you spray a 100 shot..its gonna feel like a car with approx 470 rhwp. So any camaro out there with around that horsepower will feel very similar..nitrous does usually produce very good torque numbers...it also depends if your kit is a progressive hit or just on or off..this will obviously make a difference in how hard it pushes you back.

willhe64 06-02-2013 10:46 AM

Most peoples experience with nitrous:


:burnrubber: WEEEEEEEEE!

then:

KAAABOOOOOM! :evil:

:sad0147::violin::emoticon3:

62nalide 06-02-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by willhe64 (Post 6618756)
Most peoples experience with nitrous:


:burnrubber: WEEEEEEEEE!

then:

KAAABOOOOOM! :evil:

:sad0147::violin::emoticon3:

Lol you mean most people that doesn't have a clue what there doing. Been spraying a 4.8L with a 150 for 3yrs and still kicking been through 20 bottles ;)

drayco513 06-02-2013 12:28 PM

i run the hsw 90mm plate kit , lnc2000 timing box/s step, and nos launcher progressive box. its not gonna just go to red line instantly but it will make it a lil fast then it is now. but nothing to worry about. run a window switch cause if u miss shift or over rev. with just w.o.t. switch car cuts fuel . keep spraying nitrous and u got urs self a backfire. then just hope it blew the filter off ur intake or blew apart the intake manifold. also run br7ef plugs. + the best fuel u can find . for insurance. its not required but i would rather pay a lil for fuel and be safe then buy a engine . if ur tuning ur car for nitrrous do it by the plug check ur plugs often . start with pulling 1 degree of timing for ever 25 shot to start with and go from there.

also if u gong to buy a kit go nitrous outlet by far the best nitrous company out there. great guys. will help u any way they can .

willhe64 06-02-2013 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 62nalide (Post 6618887)
Lol you mean most people that doesn't have a clue what there doing. Been spraying a 4.8L with a 150 for 3yrs and still kicking been through 20 bottles ;)

Why is it always the nitrous cars exploding at the track? Doesn't matter how good you are with it. Fact is everything has to be perfect or it blows. Still the riskiest power adder there is period.

62nalide 06-02-2013 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by willhe64 (Post 6619160)
Why is it always the nitrous cars exploding at the track? Doesn't matter how good you are with it. Fact is everything has to be perfect or it blows. Still the riskiest power adder there is period.

Riskiest? Try playing with turbos now thats a risky power adder just pray for it not to boost spike. It is all in the tune and on your setup like I said going on 3yrs with a 4.8L 150shot and drives like a champ. A wideband helps you keep an eye on things. Most people add lets say 100shot untuned and stock plugs, runs good but not recommended. If your scared to play with nitrous then just don't at all but if you understand how it works go for it heck even stock LS1s have taken a 200shot bone stock and last of course with a lil meth to steam clean your motor :)

62nalide 06-02-2013 01:18 PM

Also I'm not saying it'll last forever just know what your doing for it to last long

drayco513 06-02-2013 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willhe64 (Post 6619160)
Why is it always the nitrous cars exploding at the track? Doesn't matter how good you are with it. Fact is everything has to be perfect or it blows. Still the riskiest power adder there is period.

thats the price tho for the best power adder. nitrous over blowers anyday. for raw power

drayco513 06-02-2013 01:56 PM

as the case with anything u mod if u cant afford to buy another engine it best not to mod at all.

willhe64 06-02-2013 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by drayco513 (Post 6619342)
thats the price tho for the best power adder. nitrous over blowers anyday. for raw power

LOL.

Not. Even. close.

cybergrayls3 06-02-2013 05:40 PM

not sure why theres so much hate for nitrous on this forum..maybe too many fast and furious movies? I put a retarded amount of nitrous thru my LS1 4th gen..llike..40-50 pounds the first week i had my kit! I dont see how its any more dangerous then bolting on a supercharger to an engine that doesent come with one from the factory,but yet everybody hear gets hard over a "bolt on" blower. I dont really get it..i had window switch,wideband,proper plugs and proper tune..sold my car with a tick over 150K miles and god only knows how many bottles of nitrous thru it..

drayco513 06-02-2013 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by willhe64 (Post 6619994)
LOL.

Not. Even. close.

are u serious what would u say is better. might want to check the fast list on just about any forum or racing 75% of the fastest cars will be nitrous cars. u see most on this forum run blowers but also see most of the 5th gens on this forum run a small shot . 250 shot or more is where anyone running a forged motor and looking to go fast will run at least.
a 100 shot will get me 100+ rwhp and 135-150 rwtq if not more. plus u not adding 300 lbs to a alrdy heavy car. u also can run a 200 shot on a stock bottom end. nitrous is popular for the 2 reasons its makes crazy power and its cheaper . cause i see them shreading belts like its nothing most of the time or something else . but i guess thats free.

OHIOSS 06-02-2013 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by drayco513 (Post 6619350)
as the case with anything u mod if u cant afford to buy another engine it best not to mod at all.

Can't say I ever heard of this plan. I can afford a new engine but sure in hell don't want to buy one. The car has a rev limiter so how can nitrous damage the engine other than running to many RPM's? :noidea: Educate me please. :nod:

Supercharged SS 06-02-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OHIOSS (Post 6620872)
Can't say I ever heard of this plan. I can afford a new engine but sure in hell don't want to buy one. The car has a rev limiter so how can nitrous damage the engine other than running to many RPM's? :noidea: Educate me please. :nod:

Ever hear a nitrous backfire? You'll be changing more than your shorts!!:faint:


Search nitrous backfire on you tube.

62nalide 06-02-2013 10:12 PM

ME LIKEY THE OJ............ :)

Supercharged SS 06-02-2013 10:30 PM

You'll prob just as prone to blowing something up running 16 psi and you would be spraying a 150 shot. Expect anything and everything at the dragstrip. Sometimes just leaving the track with nothing broken is a gd day.

So, with that being said, come this fall if I have a problem the shit will get real bad real fast.


I had a backfire with a 55 shot last year. Sounded like my Labrador farted!:facepalm:

Supercharged SS 06-02-2013 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OHIOSS (Post 6617809)
I am going to have the Zex nitrous system installed, this is an automatic system that kicks in @ wide open throttle (WOT). Does anyone have this system or one similiar that can tell me about it? I have a M6 transmission.

When you floor it and the nitrous kicks in I would think the RPM's would increase to the red line almost instantly making you have to back off of the throttle, is that how it works? It would seem like you wouldn't be able to shift fast enough to keep from red lining. What kind of feel is it when the nitrous opens? I want that "push me back in the seat" feeling where you can really feel the G's. How about sound, is there any sound difference when the nitrous opens?

If you have a purge system where did you mount the purge nozzle? If you have any advice please lay it on me.




Russ


Russ, I have the Hex dry kit I'm currently using. The nozzle in post maf in the intake tube. No purge, and its wot so once I nail it the nitrous is on until I cross the traps. Still playing with the 55/65 shots right now, having some traction issues mainly in 2nd gear. I don't fell the shot at all.

Badbubba 06-02-2013 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OHIOSS (Post 6620872)
Can't say I ever heard of this plan. I can afford a new engine but sure in hell don't want to buy one. The car has a rev limiter so how can nitrous damage the engine other than running to many RPM's? :noidea: Educate me please. :nod:

Detonation, burned and damaged pistons/valves, piston ring lands damaged, wrong plugs, not pulling timing, poor tune, lean afr, bad gas, faulty fuel solenoid are some. You do not rely on the factory tune rev limit, it will cut gas, not good. Your window switch is used so that you spray between certain rpms. Such as 3k to 6300 rpm. Therefore, your nitrous shuts off before you reach your rev limiter value, which you can hit fairly quickly when your spraying and loose traction. The window switch works in conjuction with your wot switch or tps signal, so you only spray during wot and between the rpms you want. You can custom tune to cut spark instead of fuel. If you use an LNC 2000 it has an upper rev limit that cuts spark. The LNC 2000 is used to retard timing. It can be activated by the window switch. So, one scenerio is get your n/a tune correct. Get a wet system, tune the afr with the fuel jet, use a window switch with tps signal, an LNC2000 pull timing and colder plugs. Check out Nitrous Outlet, they have a total package plate system for the camaro. It will give you an idea of what you need.

Supercharged SS 06-02-2013 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badbubba (Post 6621424)
Detonation, burned and damaged pistons/valves, piston ring lands damaged, wrong plugs, not pulling timing, poor tune, lean afr, bad gas, faulty fuel solenoid are some. You do not rely on the factory tune rev limit, it will cut gas, not good. Your window switch is used so that you spray between certain rpms. Such as 3k to 6300 rpm. Therefore, your nitrous shuts off before you reach your rev limiter value, which you can hit fairly quickly when your spraying and loose traction. The window switch works in conjuction with your wot switch or tps signal, so you only spray during wot and between the rpms you want. You can custom tune to cut spark instead of fuel. If you use an LNC 2000 it has an upper rev limit that cuts spark. The LNC 2000 is used to retard timing. It can be activated by the window switch. So, one scenerio is get your n/a tune correct. Get a wet system, tune the afr with the fuel jet, use a window switch with tps signal, an LNC2000 pull timing and colder plugs. Check out Nitrous Outlet, they have a total package plate system for the camaro. It will give you an idea of what you need.

Good info. OP, speak with Neal at Nitrous Outlet. Nitrous is his job so he is much better informed then us clowns. He's great to talk to and super helpful. He'll will be able to fit a system for your needs.

dekan513 06-03-2013 02:05 PM

badbubba very good explaining things. nitrous can be fairly safe if u use the right stuff. but it dont take but one mishap. as supercharged ss said a day at the track is a good day when nothing breaks. most cars that run good times usally will have a problem or 2 almost every outting. just nature of the beast. how bad of the problem is just what makes or brakes it lol


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