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black and orange L99 06-04-2013 09:43 AM

F1-R on a stock L99?
 
I can get a good deal on a F1-R but not to sure how it would be on a stock engine. Tuner shop says they can lower the speed and boost of the blower. Should I do it?


L99, kooks 1 7/8 lt headers, magna flow exhaust, aem cold air intake, dyno tuned.

se7en 06-04-2013 10:11 AM

No... you should just sell it to me and take my maggie :thumb:

mcdoogle6969 06-04-2013 10:15 AM

Would be a waste of a blower unless you intend on building a motor. Go with a D1SC.

black and orange L99 06-04-2013 11:30 AM

Down the road I want to do cam/heads


L99, kooks 1 7/8 lt headers, magna flow exhaust, aem cold air intake, dyno tuned.

Unreal 06-04-2013 12:14 PM

Friend has 12k+ miles on a stock l99 around 700 rwhp. Should be fine

mcdoogle6969 06-04-2013 12:15 PM

I'd go with a D1SC then if you still want to go procharger. The F1-R is more for race applications with the F1-A being a better street option. You'll have to dog the shit out of the F1 for your build and I have a feeling it wouldnt be very fun.

mcdoogle6969 06-04-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Unreal (Post 6627513)
Friend has 12k+ miles on a stock l99 around 700 rwhp. Should be fine

Stock L99? Its either a ticking time bomb or I call bs.

killmode_on 06-04-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mcdoogle6969 (Post 6627525)
Stock L99? Its either a ticking time bomb or I call bs.

What part exactly do you think is going to fail? That's really not that much when done right. Lot's of guys making that much or more for a long time on lots of stock parts. Pretty soon the Camaro5 guys will start to catch up with the rest of the LSx world.

mcdoogle6969 06-04-2013 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by killmode_on (Post 6627576)
What part exactly do you think is going to fail? That's really not that much when done right. Lot's of guys making that much or more for a long time on lots of stock parts. Pretty soon the Camaro5 guys will start to catch up with the rest of the LSx world.

Lifters, also their running over 9lbs of boost to reach that number through an L99 so there's plenty more. I'd write more but I'm back to work. Theres a list here of plenty of things that start to fail.

killmode_on 06-04-2013 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mcdoogle6969 (Post 6627596)
Lifters, also their running over 9lbs of boost to reach that number through an L99 so there's plenty more. I'd write more but I'm back to work. Theres a list here of plenty of things that start to fail.


I ran 10-12psi every day for 12,000 miles on a 100% bone stock L99 and 14psi a couple times playing with it. Did I get lucky every single day racing everything on the road for 12,000 miles? I know a couple other guys doing it too for quite a while now. Nooooo problems at all. And a bunch of truck guys with the same AFM lifters with no problems. Old wives tails usually made up by shops that have blown up peoples cars. The key is you have to do things right.

Unreal 06-04-2013 03:09 PM

Even when you let me borrow on the car and I beat on it nothing failed. It would be fun it it blew up so we could put a motor in it and make some decent power. 800rwhp is just starting to get fun.

mcdoogle6969 06-04-2013 03:17 PM

Yep my bad guys, I forgot L99's were the new LS1's. Motor built by jesus himself. I heard people can run 1000rwhp on a stock one. True story.

Unreal 06-04-2013 03:25 PM

All we have is our personal experience with a few local cars, all making 600+hp on stock l99s with no issues. Killmodes car has been making ~700rwhp for 12k+ miles without a single issue so he has a factory freak car, or just a decent tune.

Maybe a lot of it has to do with turbos. He makes stupid power on low boost, with very little timing. It maybe easier on the motor compared to s/c. The turbos are so efficient it doesn't take much boost or other mods, and only ~8 degrees of timing to make 700.

jrpxxii 06-04-2013 03:43 PM

Yes an F1R will work on a stock setup. The only reason I would go this route is if you plan to do a full forged motor down the road as you will never get to use the blower for what it is built for. If you don't plan on a forged motor then I would look at a different model that you can spool up.

JLE58 06-04-2013 03:47 PM

To be honest If its a good deal you can always get someone to swap with you a better suited setup and give you some boot maybe since it doesn't seem that you plan on building the bottom end anytime soon. I personally wouldn't never put a f1r on a stock motor just to much blower.

black and orange L99 06-04-2013 03:50 PM

Thanks guys for the input

killmode_on 06-04-2013 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Unreal (Post 6628351)
Maybe a lot of it has to do with turbos. He makes stupid power on low boost, with very little timing. It maybe easier on the motor compared to s/c. The turbos are so efficient it doesn't take much boost or other mods, and only ~8 degrees of timing to make 700.

That's one of the big key parts. I'm not belt driving an extra transmission worth of drive train loss of the front of my crank. The good news is blower guys are making a lot more crank hp than they think cause they don't add in the extra 15% loss there. Bad news is that's 15% more load on the engine to get the same whp.

dan0617 06-04-2013 08:13 PM

Lifters fail to Rpms 99 percent of the time that they fail.

Not many miles yet but I'm 12 psi and a 100 shot of nitrous on a stock L99, stock cam. LT headers. Proper fuel, timing and tune. Hope it lives, so far so good.

Unreal 06-04-2013 08:23 PM

Exactly. I think Killmode's car is only revving to 6k or so because it makes 700+ft/lbs all over so why rev it to the moon. That keeps the motor together and lifters happy.

killmode_on 06-05-2013 01:26 AM

RPM's kill everything much quicker than just filling the cylinders better. Stock rear ratio, tons of torque and my car was walking GSXR1000's bone stock L99.
I actually lowered my shift points and redline 100rpm lower than stock. The L99 cam is falling out of power up there anyway. Do what the engine wants to do and is happy with, don't rev it.

dekan513 06-05-2013 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by killmode_on (Post 6627576)
What part exactly do you think is going to fail? That's really not that much when done right. Lot's of guys making that much or more for a long time on lots of stock parts. Pretty soon the Camaro5 guys will start to catch up with the rest of the LSx world.

camaro5 does play it safe alot . its like one person has said something long ago and its never changed no new developments lol

SIC-PERFORMANCE 06-06-2013 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by killmode_on (Post 6627576)
Pretty soon the Camaro5 guys will start to catch up with the rest of the LSx world.

aint that the truth. there almost as bad as the mopar guys, all of them are afraid to try new things. We work on a lot of mopars so i can say that lol

Pro Stock John 06-06-2013 10:03 AM

The NMCA typically looks at the F1R as a 7 second capable blower.

If you looking to take one of our 4000 lb beauties into the mid 8's I'd say sure go for it.

If you are thinking of going into the 10's. I'd focus on a different blower.

killmode_on 06-06-2013 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dekan513 (Post 6632775)
camaro5 does play it safe alot . its like one person has said something long ago and its never changed no new developments lol

This place is full of guys who did fully built motors to make under 700whp. It's crazy.

Detoxx03 06-06-2013 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by killmode_on (Post 6637922)
This place is full of guys who did fully built motors to make under 700whp. It's crazy.

...and hilarious too. Maybe they will catch up in 5 years from now.


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